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Welcome to the Amateur Manga Hangout thread^^

Here's the place to chat in general about Doujinshi, your original works and any questions that don't need their own thread. Relax a little and find common people :)

Have fun! :luv
 

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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Hey there! Dr.Doobious here of drdoobious.com (basically just click my sig and you can find everything that I have out at the moment) I was actually intending to post a little (long) post regarding Amateur manga, and manga hosting sites on mangahelpers but didn't really know where to do it, luckily this showed up! yay!

I'll try to keep this short as I hate long winded posts. And nobody reads them haha.

I recently (two or three months ago) started my online manga site, with really high hopes. There's a huge set of online manga sites hosting tons of illegally posted material, I figured they'd be more than happy to support an amateur manga artist by hosting the comic on their site. I did some google searches and sent out a ton of emails with that simple request. I would get free promotions, they would get free legal content, a win win.

I was pretty surprised to find that only one site (thespectrum.net) got back to me willing to help me out. And he very much so helped me out, linking to my site directly for the first five days, before hosting the comic on his site. Now I've seen mangahelpers post in the upper ban a few amateur manga's, but those seem to only be the naruto spin offs and the DBZ one. I almost felt like I should just do a 10 page naruto doujin just to get some notice, but really what would be the point of that? For me it's more fun to create my own universe.

I was just wondering what other people thought of this (those doing amateur manga and those not). Should manga sites be more open to helping out online manga artists? I obviously feel they should, cause really hosting naruto/bleach etc isn't doing those artists any good, so why not host something that'd be helpful?
 

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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Thanks for your input, both of you! :clap

Waterdroplet, your introduction sounds highly interesting and I'm very happy to have someone here who can give a little advice to others. Publishing your own comic is still a progress in a very early stage in western countries, so very few info to find about it.

If you have a little time on your hand, instead of answering many PMs - why not write a guide or info thread about creating your own manga? Maybe containing a linklist to tutorials and helpful websites would also be a nice idea (others can help adding links). I would sticky such a thread since I think that it would be appreciated much by our amateur mangaka. There're surely a lot of Newbies who don't know how to start and others who already started but have no clue how to proceed further.

Doobious (do I need the doctor title to call you? :p), I think the problem is very simple. Most mangafanpages are dedicated to the professional works published in Japan. They're simply not focusing on amateur and/or western works which is nothing you can blame on them. Mangahelpers also has it's focus on officially published manga, slowly opening to manhwa and manhua as well.
Amateur comics usually fit better into so called "underground comic" scenes till they're recognized by the public. There're actually quite a lot of such communities online, just very few with a focus on Eastasian-influenced comics. I think it's no use to try forcing yourself into the "normal" manga scene community since there's a traditional split between professional works and doujinshi (amateur works).

Also you have to understand the history behind the Edited Manga community. Manga were originally hard to get in western countries, I remember those times quite well. There was a blackmarket before the internet boom already, especially on anime fansubs. Since the internet grew such rapidly the people and groups who worked on bringing manga to the western world also grew rapidly. We're now stepping over a borderline since manga are - theoretically - recognized enough to not need Edited Mangas to such extend anymore but still the groups continue for various reasons (e.g. rampant discontent with the western publishers or simply to still bring new, unlicensed series to the fans).

Now I've seen mangahelpers post in the upper ban a few amateur manga's, but those seem to only be the naruto spin offs and the DBZ one. I almost felt like I should just do a 10 page naruto doujin just to get some notice, but really what would be the point of that? For me it's more fun to create my own universe.
That's not it. The ones who get shouted are the ones with an own board or are active and regulary releasing here at Mangahelpers. It doesn't matter whether it's a fanmanga or an original concept. We just started out here with fanmanga (which received quite a lot attention, e.g. leading to our Raruto MH fansub, heh) and have still only few original works posted.

All sections on MH work with member activity. A new subsection will be created when the interest and activity is clearly there and they get closed when it's becoming inactive. Sometimes members ask us for a subboard, sometimes we recognize that a single thread isn't enough anymore for a topic. In the same way, the more activity throught the members, the bigger a section becomes and the more we can do for a section topic. That's a simple basic of a forums community.

This goes for the Amateur manga section as well. Originally this section was made for fanmanga of the series we support here at MH. But lately more original works get posted here, that's why I thought a little reorganization made sense to support this kind of selfmade comics more^^

But it needs the activity and interest to become bigger. Or simply put: Post here regulary, get a little fandome - then we shout your releases like we do with Raruto & Co (and we actually shouted a original work last year for quite a long time, but the project became sadly inactive). Bring this section to life and we'll make it bigger, with e.g. a workshop subboard for tutorials or we simply split fanmanga and original works. This thread here is also for you to give suggestions - but again: We can't do anything when it's staying as sleepy as it is at the moment but we're open to built up when the members show us that they want it :)

Let's finetune this section a little more, with e.g. tutorials and info threads. I'll bring up to include the info that we're more open to original works now in the next news post, okay? ;)
Actually we're playing with the idea to have a quarterly fanmanga contest similar to our art contests - would you like that? The plan was a short manga of 2-8 pages about a given topic. We're currently having a summer break for the art contest and will reorganize them till september, so if a Amateur manga contest sounds interesting to you, feel free to give suggestions on it and I'll bring it up to the staff into the contest discussion.
 
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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

I certainly hope more people will flock to this area, as original ideas are what is most important in my mind. You can pay tribute to someone's work you like by drawing characters from their stories, or writing alternate stories based on their works, but only the individual can create a story unique to them.
 

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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Dear eni~
Oh, I wrote two general threads before about how to pub. manga:

Here and here

but that was based on a personal question so it might not apply to others. But, the main thing about trying to improve manga drawing is to read more manga and practice by drawing your own. Once you get the feel of it, then start following formal rules for manga drawing. That's how I did, and I'm using the formal rule for the first time for this contest. :p

Where to find the rules? Read pro-level manga and study them (mainly- how they draw, use screen tones, angle, lighting, koma layouts, how they use space, framing). In addition, PM people who tried out contests before. I find guidebooks too hard to follow even if it's well written. There's no easy way to learn manga other than a practice.

What the pro-manga editor said the most to me was to "practice" even just drawing straight lines. Even if it seems tedious, little practices can improve your skills the most.

I don't really recommend analog manga for people abroad since the materials are hard to get and very expensive in the long run. However, for the first timers, I recommend analog more since you will need to know how everything works. I switched to CG, but it's still a new field even in Japan. So, I better win a contest first before I can get back with more clear advice/guide. However, winning a contest is a battle between more than a thousand applicants so I don't know if we'll win in the first round.


If you guys are wondering which manga I read, well tons. But, major ones I recommend you study are (for those aiming for general shonen action manga):
Air Gear
Tegamibachi
Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles
Fairy Tail/Rave
World Embryo
Negima

Just pick what you liked or impressed you and study it.


7/13/08
I just added a thread,
How to Draw Manga for anyone wondering about which materials you will need to get to produce manga at a pro-level.
 
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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Thanks a lot to whoever posted that amateur manga banner! Hopefully it'll bring more peoples to this area!
 

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in the section rule its said that no pornographic material. so is ecchi content banned? coz the current manga that i'm planning has a lot of panty shots and boob shots. its kinda like to-love-ru or sekirei. so is it not allowed?
 
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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Something I found on shueishas jumps website, that might be interesting for young artists (not that anyone reads here xD): the jump treasure new artist prize as well as other such competitions that don't run yet/atm with specifications on paper size, pages and where to mail it ^^

So what do you artists think about magazine run competitions?
 

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The future of manga

Hi this is the future of manga and is basically a hangout for asspireing mangaka
i my self want to be a mangaka and so i decided to make a forum hangout so that everyone can post there drawings or talk about their current proccess in the manga world
Have fun
These are just a few sketches i did a couple of weeks ago
 
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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Please help!! I'm new here so I have problems on how to attach images to a thread... Like that spoiler ones... How can I do that??
 

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Please help!! I'm new here so I have problems on how to attach images to a thread... Like that spoiler ones... How can I do that??
To do what occurred in the post above yours, you would need to do the following:

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The
tags put the image in a spoiler box, while the tags make your image visible. If you just want to hyperlink to your image, you can use [url] tags in the same fashion as the other tags demonstrated above. All vB code tags are explained [url=http://mangahelpers.com/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode][B]here[/B][/url].

If you ever see coding in a post that you want to learn to do, a good way to see how it is done is to quote the post and look at what that person used to make that post.
 

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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Hi guys and girls !

Just a quick question.

For ages now I've been wanting to write a manga/comic. I have had dozens of ideas in my mind , I feel im ready to take things to the next level and form the story up. but till present I've been procrastinating .

I want to know where to go next once I have conceived this idea , do I write the whole story at once ? do i start of with lets say the first chapter with an idea what direction I want to go , and just go with the flow ?

If you are writing a comic , manga or know how real life mangaka and comic book scriptwriters work , could you kindly give me some pointers/advice ? Proffesionals are more than welcome to advise
 

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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

yup im another new one. im decided to start writing my work out and include sketches. I'll only look for artist if i can't get back to drawing well. This is going to take about a year to get everything planed out. or more. I'm trying to do something abit different from the mainstream.
 

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Hey everyone, im in the middle of writing an amateur manga and i am trying to build a fan base for it. It is called Decade and is basically a supernatural violence and romance genre. the first 7 pages are on http://hellfire117.deviantart.com/

Thanks, let me know what you think (please post comments on deviantart)
 

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why i'm at a writers block right now and i don't know how to get rid of it. That's whats hindering me from doing anything lately. any advice?
 
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Well, I'm kinda new, I guess XD I've already made some chapters of three different mangas and... yes, I stop drawing them D: Dispite the reasons, I'm now doing a one-shot for the JUMP Treasure New Artist Prize, mencioned up there. It's name is "The name of Alice" and it's kinda suspense and... some shojo, one of my friends said u.ú But many people say it's interesting, so~ ^v^

Well, I have only 11 pages done 'till now, so~ When it's totally done, I'll upload it here :D

Here's a couple of pictures of the first 8 pages. I know you can't read it since they'r only pictures but XD ...well, I'll upload it later, I said ^^



Yes, I have also the goal of be a mangaka.
 

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Hey guys i have an idea for a manga

The title is hachiman
The manga involves a good amount japanese gods
im not sure what to call there magic energy or spirit energy
i know how i planned the twist and i love the way i planned it
but im not sure on why they are there in the first place and what theyre trying to do in this story
my four main characters were actually assassins before they were discovered by the god raijin(who plays an important pt near the end of the story) but i havnt even decided why they leave earth and go where the gods reside..and i havnt decided why they go on a journey and what they are trying to reach..im thinking to go and get a special power hidden in a girl (enzeru) extracted from her body before the power grows more and destroys her within.In return for doing so raijin promises to let planet earth continue to live in its sinful ways.They just have to find the being to do it which hasnt been heard from in 2 years but go to the beings mother house to get a lead..raijin teaches and give the four main characters the fundamentals of using magic(havnt come up with a name for it) and giving it a form or shape..these attack are referred to as war tactics...Ive also made death tactics which are a more deadly way of magic..Im sorry back to the story...so anyway the girl enzeru holds the power with her and the fours main characters just have to take her a long on the journey to find the being whjo can extract it and demons and gods alike are after this power.But some gods along the way will assist in helping and training the four main characters.

I mean what do u guys think so far?
 

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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

is my manga any good this is my first time writing here it is 1 whole chpt
my story starts off pretty weird but here it is
Kyle
age:13
personality: book fetish sports
school: high school
power: the devils power
hair: messy white
style: glasses white/black clothes
body: fit, perfect for track, some muscle, and pale
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at the time I didn't know I had demonic powers but I knew I was different. I was just walking to my little sister ziva
ziva
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age:7 n 3/4s year old
style: white with some pink
personality: older than she really is, in charge, and emotionally strong
to school when my friend Julio
Julio
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body: in good condition, decent for swimming and track, and slightly tanned
age: 13 1/2
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runs right beside me. I asked him "wats up" he said "the usual" and that is when I saw something in the corner of my eye. It ran before I could get a good look at it. I said "did you see that man" and he said " see what" and I said "never mind". Later that day when school ended we where walking home I saw a stray kitty. But little did I know that the kitty I picked up would change my life forever. I took it with me when I got home my dad Dante
Dante
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personality: PERVERTED
power: great annoyance
hair: black with a little gray, sort of long, and thick
body: muscular and skin pale
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attacked me with his foot. This was typical for us ever since our mom died. I expected this and caught his foot in mid air and threw him into the wall. I said "are you crazy you could have killed me" and he said "my son you're so strong but your reflexes are slow. That is when he swept me off my feet but I put my hand on the ground. And with my feet in the air I twirled. I kicked him in the face he went flying across the room while my sister laughed her but off. She was cooking. then they both noticed the kitty. My sister said" oh can I hold It please ki" ki that what her nickname for me. " I said sure" then my dad said " oh a kitty Kyle I'm goanna kick your but" and my sister said It was dinner time. But I said "I'm goanna go to bed" and my dad said " you can run but you can't hide". But as I went Into my room the kitty was In there. It transformed Into a person. I almost fell over she came out of nowhere and just walked right passed me. I said" what the heck are you doing" she looked at me surprised and said " you can see me?" and I said" duh". She did a spell that paralyzed me and I said" what the heck are you doing. She started to explain "well mister I have used a paralyzing spell on you and not many people are able to see me cause I'm part demon so you must possess some demonic power everyone has It but you have a little bit more you see you are human and I am a dark Kaku ". She said and I said " a dark what" she said " a dark angle we hunt down demons and ether free their soul or send It down. with our demonic powers at Kaku academy we learn how to concentrate our power ". I said "oh and that makes a lot of sense" and then there was a huge crash that came from zivas room. We ran In there and saw a huge monster I said " what Is that thing" and she said " a devoured Kaku soul " she said and there was my sister In Its hand. Then the girl pulled out a sword tenshi no kuchiku-kan or in other words her angle destroyer and attacked It. Then she looked at me when I started concentrating on breaking her paralyzing spell. She looked at me with surprises and I broke out of her spell and she said " Impossible ". Then I picked up a chair and jumped and swung at It then It swung Its hand at me and hit me. I flung and hit a wall then I got up but the girl told me to stay back. Then It was about to finish me off when she saved my life. She deflected It then fell on the ground and she said "here stab yourself In the stomach with my angle destroyer " and I said "why would I do that" then she said that It will transfer my power to u. I said ok she was still holding It and I was holding the tip and I said " hi I'm Kyle what Is your name?" she said "Kate" I pulled the sword. Suddenly I felt a surge of power and there I was transformed there was the monster anD . I jumped did a 360 and cut It In half. It started to disappeared then I fainted. The next day the kitty wasn't there and I thought it was just a dream when I heard a noise coming from my closet I went over and opened it there was the girl named Kate. She woke up and said " have you ever heard of privacy you pervert?" and I said "privacy you're in MY closet! " And she blushed and said "well It's temporary you almost suck out all my powers. So you're goanna have to be my sub for now" and I said " I don't have time for this I have to get ready for school now if you don't mind I have to get a shirt" and so she moved and I heard my dad coming up here he said "Kyle get ready for school Kyle??? I am going to kick down this door if you don't answer me " I went over to the door when he was about kick it down I open it and he flew right through the door and out my window and I said "pshh typical dad" and I got ready to go to school
 
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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

Well, I'm kinda new, I guess XD I've already made some chapters of three different mangas and... yes, I stop drawing them D: Dispite the reasons, I'm now doing a one-shot for the JUMP Treasure New Artist Prize, mencioned up there. It's name is "The name of Alice" and it's kinda suspense and... some shojo, one of my friends said u.ú But many people say it's interesting, so~ ^v^

Well, I have only 11 pages done 'till now, so~ When it's totally done, I'll upload it here :D

Here's a couple of pictures of the first 8 pages. I know you can't read it since they'r only pictures but XD ...well, I'll upload it later, I said ^^



Yes, I have also the goal of be a mangaka.
Woah, those are some awesome pages! I draw some sample manga pages when I'm bored in class, but they look nothing like that! I'm excited to see where you take this and I hope you continue to update on your progress.
 

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Re: Amateur Manga: Hangout

hiya new on here but not to the world of manga art XD 0.o i have draw plenty of fan art for many series but i cant find them all Q.Q i must be horrbile ( srry preciouse art ill ressurrect you someday). Anyhow i will post my deviart link here for a sample of how I draw. Suggestions and tips are welcomed so speak your mind good or bad XD. If anyone wishes to see anymore of my art or the manga/comics i am making (with my friends in it) then ask and you shall recieve. 0.o
Comics in process:
Calabris
Dragon Gaurdians
Comic drafts made for future:
Angelicus
Seal
Biyu TechTanium
^.^ I hope to be good friends with you all XD and see your fan work or art work as well!
Deviart link:
http://ultimatemangaart.deviantart.com/
 
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