Jujutsu Kaisen Chapter 239 - Spoilers & Discussion

[lexx]

Are we really still debating the world building of JJK? It's not great. JJK's greatest strengths have been a FEW compelling characters who resonated well with readers, and the compelling "curse" magic power system, but the world building and characterization beyond "the reason for fighting" have been awful. Plot, pacing, character motivation, world building...JJK's not all that great at it. But we like Sukuna, we like Gojo, we LOVED Toji, so we like to watch the fights. But the fights themselves are vehicles that drive the plot forward, and there's not really a coherent plot TO drive forward, so the fights aren't satisfying us.

 

[Epic_Rider]

I just suggested that, what i want is something in-between, it's just been fight after fight and so many supposedly important stuff get brushed away for hype moments,

Again, nothing important got brushed away. We got everything necessary.

He got his closure and was satisfied, but i'm talking about us the readers.

Any reader that was actually paying attention should have been satisfied.

Are we really still debating the world building of JJK? It's not great. JJK's greatest strengths have been a FEW compelling characters who resonated well with readers, and the compelling "curse" magic power system, but the world building and characterization beyond "the reason for fighting" have been awful. Plot, pacing, character motivation, world building...JJK's not all that great at it. But we like Sukuna, we like Gojo, we LOVED Toji, so we like to watch the fights. But the fights themselves are vehicles that drive the plot forward, and there's not really a coherent plot TO drive forward, so the fights aren't satisfying us.

Speak for yourself, JJK's got great worldbuilding and characterization that ties into it. A lot of people really don't understand when a series deals with stuff through a more interior lens.

 

[Senoirmeow]

I’ve always felt that Kashimo aside from Sukuna was the strongest Incarnated Sorcerer and Takaba was the strongest modern age sorcerer. Though I get why Kenjaku would be worried about Higuruma since I feel he’s a bad matchup for him.

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Are we really still debating the world building of JJK? It's not great. JJK's greatest strengths have been a FEW compelling characters who resonated well with readers, and the compelling "curse" magic power system, but the world building and characterization beyond "the reason for fighting" have been awful. Plot, pacing, character motivation, world building...JJK's not all that great at it. But we like Sukuna, we like Gojo, we LOVED Toji, so we like to watch the fights. But the fights themselves are vehicles that drive the plot forward, and there's not really a coherent plot TO drive forward, so the fights aren't satisfying us.

Never thought I’d see someone who complained more about a lack of story & world building in one of the few mangas where characters don’t have a discussion mid fight about morals for 11 chapters with a backstory and keep chit chat to a minimum. The only thing they do in terms of phrasing is have inner monologue about techniques and how to win a fight.

 

[papypopo]

Are we really still debating the world building of JJK? It's not great. JJK's greatest strengths have been a FEW compelling characters who resonated well with readers, and the compelling "curse" magic power system, but the world building and characterization beyond "the reason for fighting" have been awful. Plot, pacing, character motivation, world building...JJK's not all that great at it. But we like Sukuna, we like Gojo, we LOVED Toji, so we like to watch the fights. But the fights themselves are vehicles that drive the plot forward, and there's not really a coherent plot TO drive forward, so the fights aren't satisfying us.

To me jjk characterization is just a mature and simple depiction of the world they are living in. Curses are just curses who want to do what they were born for by bringing disasters. Sorcerers are just living to exorcise them and bring balance to the world. Death is death and when there's no time to cry because the world is ending and one the most powerful foe in all history is bringing disaster, there’s no time for that, we need to focus.

To me everyone is hating about the story plot just because we don’t exactly know what is the real plan behind kenkaju’s mind, but that’s the point

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 18, 2023, Original Post Date: Oct 18, 2023 ---

Again, nothing important got brushed away. We got everything necessary.



Any reader that was actually paying attention should have been satisfied.



Speak for yourself, JJK's got great worldbuilding and characterization that ties into it. A lot of people really don't understand when a series deals with stuff through a more interior lens.

ALL FACTS

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 18, 2023 ---

we don’t exactly know what is the real plan behind kenkaju’s mind, but that’s the point

Everyone in the manga are still asking him what he is planning too and nobody seems to know except him and maybe sukuna

i understand why people are complaining about some missing characters but in a war when someone is badly hurt they retired and that’s it. Minus that some like Todo may have not entered the culling game at all so…

 

[Vici]

Todo is currently without a hand, dunno if RCT could help him or not
Nobara is a Schrodinger'd Cat rn

And I'm here give Shoko finally some feat and help them wanna see my boi Todo back on Nobara case I gave up long time ago.

 

[Broseph]

I just suggested that, what i want is something in-between, it's just been fight after fight and so many supposedly important stuff get brushed away for hype moments, that's cool if JJK was all about fights, but the potential was there to be something better, would've been cool if we he had something during the kashimo fight.

As for kukesabe, i just wanted to see his reaction after all the glazing and the gojo won line lol.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 18, 2023, Original Post Date: Oct 18, 2023 ---

He got his closure and was satisfied, but i'm talking about us the readers.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you. JJK has no character work at all. It's just fight after fight with the occasional exposition dump now and then and its gotten really bad for the last 100 chapters or so. That's why I think sales dropped so quickly during the Culling Games arc. Lot of people just got tired of it. Based on the last volume first week numbers, even Shibuya being animated isn't really mitigating that

 

[Gaku]

Think about it : Kenny says he is not interested by awakened sorcerers except Himu but why would he be in the first place ? Lad is always after something, wouldn’t he be after the best CT, or something like that?

No, Kenjaku doesnt even know what Takaba cursed tech does and even if he knew it he already has curse spirit manipulation and antigravity system, along with his own body morph tech; i dont think he could even get Takaba's one without losing one and Geto's body.

But seriously what could he do against Kenjaku?

Well Gege could have given him a better fight that lasted a little longer and not just a couple pages.

BTW

Also not that i like the characther but we have not seen Charles right? looks like another waste for Gege.

 

[papypopo]

No, Kenjaku doesnt even know what Takaba cursed tech does and even if he knew it he already has curse spirit manipulation and antigravity system, along with his own body morph tech; i dont think he could even get Takaba's one without losing one and Geto's body.

You have missed my other post. Yeah he don’t know it yet but he is about to witness it. We all know Kenny is after great powers and what make me think of it as a possibility is that he mention that he’s not interested by any awakened sorcerers except Himu, but think about it, why would he be in the first place, if it’s not about his power?

At this point if Gojo is definitly dead, geto’s body and the « emotional » motive by having it is not necessary anymore. It’s just a tool now and a better tool can be found. And you are also doing some predictions here, like me, we don’t know yet how Kenny keep CT, at first it was imply that he can’t at all but he can, he may do so by applying binding vow on himself…

 

[Franz]

Well Gege could have given him a better fight that lasted a little longer and not just a couple pages.

I repeat, what could someone who isn't even one of the top players do?

Also not that i like the characther but we have not seen Charles right? looks like another waste for Gege.

It will appear in the future I imagine, but at the moment I don't see what use it could have.

 

[nfinitfx]

At the end of the manga, the author says this reference Sandwich man, can someone figure out what this is?

 

[Gaku]

At the end of the manga, the author says this reference Sandwich man, can someone figure out what this is?

Those notes are from the scan group, it seems the dialogue from the last page is a reference to a manzai act,

they've even leave a youtube link of an example but it doesnt seem to work anymore.

 

[Aurelius]

The way Uro was treated since the 3-way domain expansion was abysmal.

Edit: Nvm wasn't her lol

 

[Riverskull]

The way Uro was treated since the 3-way domain expansion was abysmal.

The girl from this chapter wasnt Uro tho.

 

[nfinitfx]

Those notes are from the scan group, it seems the dialogue from the last page is a reference to a manzai act,

they've even leave a youtube link of an example but it doesnt seem to work anymore.

got it, thanks. Takaba stealing the show is the most entertaining outcome.

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

My guess is when Yuji fights Sukuna yuji unlocks his ct or something beyond ? And Kenjaku notices and stops the fight ?

 

[Franz]

Chapter out

 

[the_december_f00l]

It's not just gojo, it's the same with everybody.

Zenin clan, nobara, nanami, megumi's sister (maybe even megumi himself), the crippled dude, yuki, yaga, kashimo.

Like the moment they die, pof unto the next hype battle.

I think the premise of JJK that makes it interesting compared to other mangas is precisely this.

We're not getting paragraphs of explanations and basically having everything interpreted for us. Gege (intentionally or unintentionally) is leaving it to our imaginations. Which is one of the fundamentals of art itself. This becomes heavily apparent in the anime, where other artists are allowed to take scenes such as Geto's shower and turn it into an absolute masterpiece of emotion.

When you simply read the panel, you can tell hes traumatized by what hes experienced. But using your imagination (or in this case, Mappa's), you can derive your own emotional closure and conclusion to the storys events.

The zenin clan were simply fodder, they served as Maki's plot evolution. Nobara is likely a plot device waiting to happen.
Nanami was given closure in Yuji's reaction and Gojo's afterlife scene. Yuki almost one shot Kenjaku, forcing his hand and surprising him with the black hole.
The others were all side characters, if you needed closure for them I dont know what to tell you..

Ultimately, as someone else stated, this is a show about heartless Curses and traumatized Sorcerers. There is little time to grieve. The artful essence is in what you make of it.

 

[lexx]

I think the premise of JJK that makes it interesting compared to other mangas is precisely this.

We're not getting paragraphs of explanations and basically having everything interpreted for us. Gege (intentionally or unintentionally) is leaving it to our imaginations. Which is one of the fundamentals of art itself. This becomes heavily apparent in the anime, where other artists are allowed to take scenes such as Geto's shower and turn it into an absolute masterpiece of emotion.

When you simply read the panel, you can tell hes traumatized by what hes experienced. But using your imagination (or in this case, Mappa's), you can derive your own emotional closure and conclusion to the storys events.

The zenin clan were simply fodder, they served as Maki's plot evolution. Nobara is likely a plot device waiting to happen.
Nanami was given closure in Yuji's reaction and Gojo's afterlife scene. Yuki almost one shot Kenjaku, forcing his hand and surprising him with the black hole.
The others were all side characters, if you needed closure for them I dont know what to tell you..

Ultimately, as someone else stated, this is a show about heartless Curses and traumatized Sorcerers. There is little time to grieve. The artful essence is in what you make of it.

Or...just maybe...JJK is comparable to Bleach or Naruto, but inferior to both in terms of world building, has a difficult time with character development & thus turns into battle porn. And, unfortunately, JJK compares unfavorably here, because it robs us of our money shots and gives no opportunity for savoring the postcoital glow.

 

[papypopo]

I think the premise of JJK that makes it interesting compared to other mangas is precisely this.

We're not getting paragraphs of explanations and basically having everything interpreted for us. Gege (intentionally or unintentionally) is leaving it to our imaginations. Which is one of the fundamentals of art itself. This becomes heavily apparent in the anime, where other artists are allowed to take scenes such as Geto's shower and turn it into an absolute masterpiece of emotion.

When you simply read the panel, you can tell hes traumatized by what hes experienced. But using your imagination (or in this case, Mappa's), you can derive your own emotional closure and conclusion to the storys events.

The zenin clan were simply fodder, they served as Maki's plot evolution. Nobara is likely a plot device waiting to happen.
Nanami was given closure in Yuji's reaction and Gojo's afterlife scene. Yuki almost one shot Kenjaku, forcing his hand and surprising him with the black hole.
The others were all side characters, if you needed closure for them I dont know what to tell you..

Ultimately, as someone else stated, this is a show about heartless Curses and traumatized Sorcerers. There is little time to grieve. The artful essence is in what you make of it.

There is little time to grieve indeed and before gojo’s and kashimo’s death, besides Nobara who is still a mystery, every single death from people around the main roster was significate and some are still mentionned afterwards.

People are just frustrated about the culling game arc because everything is a mystery for now and don’t have the patience to wait and let the story unravelled itself, crying about some fodders

 

[the_december_f00l]

Or...just maybe...JJK is comparable to Bleach or Naruto, but inferior to both in terms of world building, has a difficult time with character development & thus turns into battle porn. And, unfortunately, JJK compares unfavorably here, because it robs us of our money shots and gives no opportunity for savoring the postcoital glow.

i think comparing it to decade-old 700 chapter mangas is exactly the problem. This isnt meant to be a long term, world building, ultra depthful experience.
Its a shorter, incredibly interesting story with characters that phase in and out of life in a war over humanity's imminent extinction.

But most surface level consumers surprisingly have a problem with that.

There is little time to grieve indeed and before gojo’s and kashimo’s death, besides Nobara who is still a mystery, every single death from people around the main roster was significate and some are still mentionned afterwards.

People are just frustrated about the culling game arc because everything is a mystery for now and don’t have the patience to wait and let the story unravelled itself, crying about some fodders

Precisely. After seeing how incredibly animated this manga became, I seriously dont understand how anyone can bitch about it.
I think it purely stems to a lack of imagination and a need for whatever isn't provided, capitalistic hyper consumer hype beast boom boom pow.

Its somehow surprising that people arent satisfied with what they call battle porn xD