Theory Kaido: Strongest Creature ≠ Strongest Pirate

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Introduction

In order to understand the nuance between the titles "Strongest Creature" and "Strongest Pirate", it's necessary to glean background information of who Kaido and Whitebeard are, to construct a lucid and clear understanding of why they were attributed these titles (which many unintentionally assume to mean the same thing); this will be consolidated with an explanation of what "Creature" and "Pirate" inherently denote to; ultimately, this will reinforce and edify readers on the distinction that should be made when confronted by this seemingly complex (albeit simple) conundrum.

Whitebeard - The Strongest...Greatest...Pirate...in the World


Source: Chapter 233 & Chapter 524

The very first time we become to a certain degree familiar with Whitebeard, we're told by Buggy that Whitebeard is presently the strongest Pirate in the world; it's contextually key to understand that at this period in time, Garp tells us that he in the same vain is an Emperor along with Kaido, Big Mom & Shanks. This enforces that Whitebeard stands out distinct from the other 3 Emperors being that he's superior - Garp aptly refers to him as the King of the sea.
Another thing to take note of is that Big Mom and Kaido during their years as Yonko challenged Whitebeard, what came of their attempts? For one, he's still in possession of his territory, and the next extract will elucidate more on Whitebeard's standing amongst all Pirates.


Source: Chapter 529

During the Impel Down arc, the conversation opens up with "So, you're telling me there's a once-in-a-lifetime chance to kill Whitebeard?" by Sir Crocodile, as insidious a statement that is, it is complementary in the sense that he's being painted and illustrated as indomitable.

Through the pandemonium and orgy of death-wishes upon Whitebeard, Crocodile continuously elevates Whitebeard's already fierce image saying Whitebeard (like Roger) were Pirates that couldn't be overcome due to their immense power, subsequently, this leads to Kaido going after Whitebeard complementing what was said concerning the "once-in-a-lifetime..." statement.

Conclusively, what is most powerful in this scene is what's uttered by one of the prisoners who says "I'll end Whitebeard's reign!", ironically, Whitebeard is just one of 4 Yonkos who reigns over his own territory, but his presence stifles their ambition which gives us a clear idea of who Whitebeard is and why they need him out of the picture.


Source: Chapter 563 & 570 & 573

At Marineford, are we told any different from what we've previously heard? His image is consistent as it was in the very early moments of the series. Akainu and Sengoku acknowledge his pedigree irregardless of all the other Emperors of the sea which is very telling.
Post-war, none have been branded in the same vain as Whitebeard. No one has shown the superiority that Whitebeard displayed during his years. Joker even mentions that the throne is up to anyone of the biggest threats (Yonko including the Supernova) and Jinbei believes that none of the Yonko are capable of taking the throne, but Luffy is, which is revelation that there's currently no Strongest Pirate in the sea yet.

Kaido - The Strongest Creature


Source: Chapter 795

Kaido's imagery depiction oozes with strength and confidence, therefore, it's very easy to be sucked in, and taken in by what we see. His character even without description seemingly demands abject submission and capitulation, he's simply aesthetically figuratively awesome. Rather than give in to what the community refers to as "hype", I aim to dissect Kaido objectively in order to understand who he truly is, and more so, in comparison with Whitebeard.

Without immediately referring to the image of Kaido above, it's necessary to gain a context of why these things were said about him, and what they're ultimately conveying to us about his title.
We're told that:
  • When he was hung, the chains broke - emphasizing his physical size & weight.
  • When he was guillotined, the blade broke - emphasizing the resistance his body possesses against sharp based damage.
  • When he was stabbed, the spears broke - emphasizing the durability of his body against pointy based damage.
  • And his falling only resulting in a headache - emphasizing the durability & sturdiness of his body against blunt based damage.
The purpose of all this is to emphasize that Kaido possesses a body that's astronomically superior to any to any creature in existence. The point Oda is making in relation to the plot is, Kaido is not the strongest man in the world, but the strongest creature which refers to the race or species he originates from. Going back to the first image of Kaido, we're told In a 1-on-1, always bet on Kaido:
Unlike "Whitebeard & Roger" who were the strongest Pirates in the world, they were still subject to fatal injuries:
  • Roger was beheaded -
    if this were Kaido, the Sword would simply break because he has a tough body as the guillotine blade breaking proves.
  • Whitebeard was stabbed hundreds of times -
    if this were Kaido, the spears and swords would simply break due to his tough body - Bobby Funk replicates a similar feat when Boo stabbed him with a Sword imbued by Armament Haki, and it still ends up breaking.
The reason why one should always bet on Kaido in a 1-on-1 is not because he's the strongest Pirate, but because in a fight, there's always a risk of dying, someone who has the lesser risk of dying usually has the best chance of winning; it's a good bet even against Whitebeard because a fatal injury is all that's required to defeat Whitebeard, Kaido doesn't get fatal injuries easily. Bare in mind we're also told that no one could kill him, not even himself.

Races - Species - Creatures


Source: Chapter 90

Moving on, we're faced with an issue that's referring to the Race one belongs to, or their Species. We're also told that of all the Creatures on Land, Air and Sea, he's the strongest Creature alive, not the strongest Pirate, Person, or Man. Is this distinction there? Elaborations will be made.

Besides the fact that the word Creature is used (which denotes to Species or Race), the first time we're acquainted with pretty detailed information pertaining to Kaido, we're told by Law that Kaido is one of the strongest creatures in the world, and Nami's first response is instantly deducing that Kaido is not Human.
One could infer that this deduction is made when Law refers to him by "King of Beasts", but in Japanese, it alludes to Lion which metaphorically refers to fierceness, if it alluded to Lion literally, Nami would have said he's a lion, but she's unspecific about it because from her experience as a slave under Arlong (Fishman), she knows that Humans are inferior to every other race, so it could be any race from Fishman upwards.

Humans as a race are the weakest, but it doesn't mean that a Human couldn't be the strongest Person/Pirate in the world. A Fishman can regrow teeth, they're born naturally stronger than Humans from birth, they can swim easily and fight under water, this objectively makes them superior to Humans; the feats they can easily achieve are things that Humans can only pull off via years of intensive training.

Despite the superiority, you can have the odd Human who surpasses these capabilities of a Fishman's strength for example, but the abilities of an individual do not elevate an entire race or species. Fishman are superior to Humans, but Whitebeard was still the strongest man in the world, it's not a contradiction, but a statement of nuance.

Semantic-wise, if one is asked what creature they were, they'd have to say Human. What distinguishes one as a Human? Their anatomical structure and physiology. Based on this, we're able to identify different creatures.

When one refers to a race, or makes a generalization about a race, or species, they're not referring to any individual, but to their anatomy. Humans are weak is a generalization, but that truth doesn't mean you couldn't have Shanks being the Strongest in the world because it's merely referring to the common features shared by Humans.

A Cheetah due to it's anatomy is the fastest land Creature (Race or Species); a Peregrine Falcon due to it's unique anatomical structure is the fastest in the air; Kaido due to his anatomical structure makes him (whatever race he represents) the strongest Creature in the world.
Note: Typing in on google the fastest Specie, Creature or Animal on Land, and one gets Cheetah each time because they're synonymous.

One could say that the distinction in the title difference between Whitebeard and Kaido is due to his not being Human, but irregardless of the race one belongs to, they've all been referred to as "Man". Therefore, if Kaido was the strongest Man or Pirate in the world, he'd have the same title as Whitebeard:
  • Kaido referred to as a Man.
  • Jinbei referred to as Man.
  • Hody referred to as Man.
By this, we infer "Man" is not secluded or short for Humans, but to mean Person.

Finally, as I should have pointed out earlier, Creature, Race, or Species can be used interchangeably. Another thing to point out is when one says Creature, or Race, or Species, you always have to ask or ascertain which Creature they're talking about? or which Race?

The point being made here is to highlight the connotation of the word when used, it's a detail that can be missed because we often use this words without thinking of the finer ramifications of the word. Therefore, when Kaido is referred to as the "Strongest Creature" on Land, Air or Sea, we have to ask what are the different creatures in these habitats?
  • Fishmen
  • Minks
  • Sky-people
  • Eagles
  • Sea Kings
  • Snake-Tribe
  • Merfolk
  • Humans and so on...
To conclude, Kaido is the Strongest Creature due to the race he comes from which is why he has such attributes that make his body impenetrable, and Whitebeard was the Pirate King due to being the most powerful in the sense of strength and ability to defeat all his foes.
Kaido on a Sky Island led many of us (including myself) to believe that Kaido can fly, therefore, he must have an ability. He isn't necessarily able to fly as there are alternate routes to Sky Island besides flying.

In fact, besides the knock-up stream which allows either all or none to make it to Sky Islands, the other route is far more dangerous because it has multiple obstacles along the way that make it possible to lose 0-100% of the crew (as opposed to Knock-up stream which is 0 or 100%) which makes it absolutely random.

Being that Kaido is suicidal, he'd be far more successful taking the route which offers far more obstacles for death, therefore, more chances of being in precarious situations that would lead to his death.

Thanks for reading if you got this far... :super
 
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Kaido probably belongs to one of the last 2 races on that list.
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Great post though dude, enjoyed reading that.
 

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He could also be a hybrid too like Dellinger.
 

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Kaido probably belongs to one of the last 2 races on that list.
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Great post though dude, enjoyed reading that.
Thanks, appreciated!

Was looking for the alt-code for an E with a macron, it's not easy to come by, lol.
 

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Thanks, appreciated!

Was looking for the alt-code for an E with a macron, it's not easy to come by, lol.
Yeah people have a right time trying to do the Ē.
Btw what made you want to do a post like this anyways, it was rather out of the blue.
 

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Yeah people have a right time trying to do the Ē.
Btw what made you want to do a post like this anyways, it was rather out of the blue.
Lol, it was, something I've been working on for a while, at least mentally. Decided to have it manifest.
 

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That's understandable.
BTW if Kaido is the strongest creature, who do you think would be classed as the strongest pirate just going off what we know in present time.
 

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That's understandable.
BTW if Kaido is the strongest creature, who do you think would be classed as the strongest pirate just going off what we know in present time.
Chinjao said the only person he can see doing anything significant after Whitebeard's death is Blackbeard, so he seems to think he has the greatest potential in ruling the Grand line.

Also, Shanks never met with Whitebeard as a Yonko until Ace, only Big Mom and Kaido fought territorial wars with Whitebeard which implies Shanks' goal is not just territorial, but probably related to the next generation - he's seemingly inactive or minding his own business unlike other Yonko.

He's also apparetnylt he only Yonko not amassing strength in form of Smileys or Weapons, he didn't even try to ally with the WB Pirates.

The Gorosei also said Shanks isn't infatuated with World domination which implies Shanks is not active, so he has an agenda different to the other Yonko.

In light of everything known so far, I'd have said Shanks was strongest, but I think Blackbeard is since Shanks got scarred by Blackbeard (stating it wasn't as a result of carelessness) which I believe is symbolic for defeat. My ranking would be Blackbeard > Shanks > (Kaido/Big Mom in any order).
 

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If we can put that Whitebeard was the Pirate King because he was the strongest. I find that to be a flaw in the Storyline of OP.

First if being the Strongest Pirate in the world makes you the Pirate King, then the One Piece is useless.

Now the only way this can be changed is if the One Piece is different from bring Pirate King.

I'd say being the Strongest shouldn't make on the King of the Seas. Whatever the One Piece is it holds the reason for being Pirate King.
 

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If we can put that Whitebeard was the Pirate King because he was the strongest. I find that to be a flaw in the Storyline of OP.

First if being the Strongest Pirate in the world makes you the Pirate King, then the One Piece is useless.

Now the only way this can be changed is if the One Piece is different from bring Pirate King.

I'd say being the Strongest shouldn't make on the King of the Seas. Whatever the One Piece is it holds the reason for being Pirate King.

Being the strongest is the key to becoming Pirate King.

How do you take the Road Poneglyphs? by defeating the Emperors.

Roger was only Pirate King because he was the strongest. We're told that Roger was a wall before Whitebeard and Shiki meaning they could defeat him in order to achieve their ambitions.

Chinjao also tells us that whomever can prove to possess the strongest Conqueror's Haki, in other words, defeat all their foes, is who will become Pirate King
.

Even Blackbeard is not certain he can become Pirate King, until he ascertains that he has the power to do so which is the Yami Yami no Mi, and Gura Gura no Mi.

Right now, we also have Kaido and Big Mom only increasing military power because they need strength in order to become Pirate King.

Without strength, one cannot become Pirate King as Luffy said
.

Whitebeard also wasn't Pirate King, he was just the closest to the throne, but chose not to go after it. Whitebeard never fought all the Yonko, and he wasn't that active too. Towards the start of Marineford's war of the best, we get a glimpse of people's opinion on Whitebeard, and the uncertainty is due to not showing much ambition after Roger died.

Being the strongest doesn't make one King, but if one is going to be king, they must be stronger than all those who will be obstacles in order to defeat them.

Finally, One Piece is a bit of a lure, it's something desired by all Pirates, therefore, it essentially is a battle-royale.It's like telling a bunch of 5 year old kids to fight for a piece of candy, whoever gets that piece of candy would have beat up and intimidated every other kid to get that sweet implying inadvertently that they're the strongest out of those kids.
 
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Being the strongest is the key to becoming Pirate King.

How do you take the Road Poneglyphs? by defeating the Emperors.

Roger was only Pirate King because he was the strongest. We're told that Roger was a wall before Whitebeard and Shiki meaning they could defeat him in order to achieve their ambitions.

Chinjao also tells us that whomever can prove to possess the strongest Conqueror's Haki, in other words, defeat all their foes, is who will become Pirate King
.

Even Blackbeard is not certain he can become Pirate King, until he ascertains that he has the power to do so which is the Yami Yami no Mi, and Gura Gura no Mi.

Right now, we also have Kaido and Big Mom only increasing military power because they need strength in order to become Pirate King.

Without strength, one cannot become Pirate King as Luffy said
.

Whitebeard also wasn't Pirate King, he was just the closest to the throne, but chose not to go after it. Whitebeard never fought all the Yonko, and he wasn't that active too. Towards the start of Marineford's war of the best, we get a glimpse of people's opinion on Whitebeard, and the uncertainty is due to not showing much ambition after Roger died.

Being the strongest doesn't make one King, but if one is going to be king, they must be stronger than all those who will be obstacles in order to defeat them.

Finally, One Piece is a bit of a lure, it's something desired by all Pirates, therefore, it essentially is a battle-royale.It's like telling a bunch of 5 year old kids to fight for a piece of candy, whoever gets that piece of candy would have beat up and intimidated every other kid to get that sweet implying inadvertently that they're the strongest out of those kids.
I guess you're right. You make a pretty valid point. But if so say that finding the One Piece is like a battle royale. Don't you think there is something else behind this.
 

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I guess you're right. You make a pretty valid point. But if so say that finding the One Piece is like a battle royale. Don't you think there is something else behind this.
Well, bar the fact that it's like a battle royale, the purpose of gaining One Piece is:
  • Reading about the void century - learn about slavery that the world has been subjected to by the Tenryuubito (Celestial Dragons), it's on this realization that Luffy will liberate the world and fight for peace and rights of all races by defeating the Tenruubito's World Government who are extremely corrupt.
  • And the location of the Ancient Weapons to aid in the war.
One Piece tackles racism, slavery, freedom, value of life, etc. It's all these values they're fighting for. Luffy and the SHs coming to terms with the history of the world will be their motivation to take down the WG.

Other Pirates just want the Ancient Weapons to rule the world, Luffy wants to advocate Freedom.
 

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I think nobody is thinking that Kaido is the strongest in OPverse so far. Fact is that during his introduction, it was emphasized that he got defeated 7 times, captured 18 times by the Yonko/Marines. So Kaido by no means is the strongest or invincible... His huge scar in his abdomen/obliques shows that he can injured as well

But it seems his body is truly unique because it is withstanding attacks or things that would be fatal to any other person, so I reckon his tanking abilities are abnormal even compared to let's say WB.

I have no doubt that WB was indeed the strongest following Roger, and that the other Yonko were in competition with him but still he was the strongest although his strength declined due to health issues

I also think Kaido's title has to do with his DF ability if he has it... Something like Chimera would make sense. As for Kaido's race, I'm tempted to say that he's probably a descendant of Oars
 

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Kaido's should be superior to Whitebeard's though. Whitebeard actually got stabbed by fodder didn't, Kaido even when incapacitated meaning he wasn't in a condition to fight back survived without trying due to a superior body.
 

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I believe Kaido is the strongest.

And 7 defeats is nothing. Luffy will eventually become the PK, and he has more losses than that already in the span of a few years.

The only reason Kaido gets defeated or captured is because he apparently attacks the Navy or other Yonko armies alone.
 

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I believe Kaido is the strongest.

And 7 defeats is nothing. Luffy will eventually become the PK, and he has more losses than that already in the span of a few years.

The only reason Kaido gets defeated or captured is because he apparently attacks the Navy or other Yonko armies alone.
Then you have to ask, why wasn't Whitebeard called the Strongest Creature too like Kaido? they're 2 completely different titles.
 

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I think Kaido got the title after WB died personally.

Or are you asking why Kaido is not called the strongest man now?
 

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I think Kaido got the title after WB died personally.

Or are you asking why Kaido is not called the strongest man now?
More or less.

If we look through dialogues, people who are not Humans have been referred to as "Man". Jinbei was called a man, Hody and even Kaido was explicitly called a man.

One then has to ask, if Oda was trying to imply that Kaido is the strongest man in the world or strongest Pirate, why not just call him that, why creature?
 

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One reason I think Kaido got a different title is that it seems more personal. What I mean is that if Kaido got the title of WSM, it wouldn't seem as special seeing as WB already had it. While his current title is unique to him, and suits him more imo.

Another option is that he did in fact have this same title before WB died, and it still held true after WB died of him being the strongest non-human. While being the strongest individual as well.

The main reason I believe Kaido is currently the strongest though is that apparently the Japanese word they use for "creature" apparently also means living thing/organism, which would include humans as well. Which is why I think he got the title after WB died.
 
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