Games Mafia Game 128 - Pandew Valley - Game End

[Copy Panda]

Well now, pard… I done packed up and moved on. City livin’ ain’t what I hoped for, but it’s where I’m at now. Brought a few things with me from the farm—some old tools, a bit of soil still clingin’ to my boots—but it ain’t the same. I live with my young’uns now… and their young’uns too. I try my best to accept what’s done and what’s still comin’, but I tell ya, it ain’t easy.

Just last night, my grandbaby found my old fishin’ rod, and lord have mercy, she ain’t put the thing down since. Whackin’ it ‘round like she’s tryin’ to catch ghosts in the walls. I s’pose she just don’t know what it’s really for. Maybe that’s the saddest part of it all.

I’ll miss the valley, pard. We coulda done right by it. Coulda built somethin’ real special, lived the kinda life folks only dream ‘bout. Maybe next time ‘round, you’ll be more open-hearted to the ways of the land. Maybe next time, we’ll fight a little harder. Maybe next time, we’ll win.

But for now… so long, pard. Just wish we coulda shared one last yeehaw ‘fore it all went away.

P.S.—Found somethin’ in my mail this mornin’. Seems like them Joja varmints sent me the wrong paper by mistake. Some kinda document trackin’ folks in town, where they been, what they done. Ain’t my business no more, but it might be yours. Take a look.

Better luck next time, pard.

Spoiler: NIGHT ACTIONS

 

[SirSamuel016]

I was trying to phrase it like Asako would confirm her action which would mean you not being blocked and Asako as spy
Wrote in a hurry during work hours

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*Asako would confirm my action

This makes even less sense- firstly, Asako never spied on me last night, she claimed to have targeted you. Secondly, I never claimed to have been blocked, that was Asako who said she's been blocked every night and targeted me N2.

I have never been blocked, and I've also said my actions for each night.
N1: Jinx, nothing (naturally, she died D1) < this was for spies to check sanity if they targeted me
N2: Lawl, nothing < this means he died before he could pirate anything
N3: Shino, nothing N1 and targeted me N2 < atypical of how she would play a role like Apprentice by waiting a night to better gauge the game and then starting to learn from there

And before you make my block another pet if your argument, do you think mafia would block you last night? Leaving docs and spies?

Are you drinking at work? I never claimed to be blocked and never have. You've continually argued I claimed to be blocked when I never did which is fucking strange. Asako D3 and D4 claimed to have been blocked for nights 1, 2 and 3. Yet, you're mixing me up amongst that because one of those nights she tried to target me.

 

[Asako]

I don't like this because it removes Spy and my Jesus from the game so assuming we successfully lynch a mafia today, that then compromises what town is able to do to fight back and given you're a Spy I'm honestly shocked you'd advocate against being able to use your role.

If we're removing 4s from the pool then I'd actually prefer letting the Det (Erin) be able to cook, so having 3s accessible could be good.

Why could i want my spy to work while keeping escort working
I prefer to deactivate both roles for our docs
Also i don't care about your jesus, make zero sense to me with how you played, u never really baited and acted you worth the kill plus 4 is a weird number
I was waiting for a troublemaker from you yesterday at the beginning of the day.


So you want erin det to work and make the doctor useless ?
You do realise that there no number that works with both 3 and 2 right now in the poll

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This makes even less sense- firstly, Asako never spied on me last night, she claimed to have targeted you. Secondly, I never claimed to have been blocked, that was Asako who said she's been blocked every night and targeted me N2.

Why should i waste my action and spy on you again, i know you confirmed scum when DD died

 

[SirSamuel016]

Why could i want my spy to work while keeping escort working
I prefer to deactivate both roles for our docs
Also i don't care about your jesus, make zero sense to me with how you played, u never really baited and acted you worth the kill plus 4 is a weird number
I was waiting for a troublemaker from you yesterday at the beginning of the day.


So you want erin det to work and make the doctor useless ?
You do realise that there no number that works with both 3 and 2 right now in the poll

I was thinking of it purely from the investigative side of things and had forgotten the Doc claimer @Brandish μ who is remarkably absent through all of this. You're right, we need the docs active more than anything but unless we lynch the escort today the doc could then get blocked and then they still kill at night. It's a mess.

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Why should i waste my action and spy on you again, i know you confirmed scum when DD died

Read it again, I'm not saying you should've targeted me again, I'm explaining what the claims are to Woj because he is saying false shit. I never said you had to spy on me again, you went elsewhere as is your perogative to do so don't go twisting what I said.

And don't act like you're innocent in this either:

let DD die i think

You had your chance to mislynch me yesterday, and you didn't so if you're town you need to suck it up and play to lynch correctly today instead of continuing to be hung-up on what wasn't and could've been. There's a lot to discuss here but a few of you seem intent on purely tunnelling which says a lot tbh.

 

[Kakoha]

You're vote 689, I'm 691... how did I vote before you...?

... you voted sam before me.
589 < 645
I posted that in response to you saying I voted sam out of the blue..

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N3: Shino, nothing N1 and targeted me N2 < atypical of how she would play a role like Apprentice by waiting a night to better gauge the game and then starting to learn from there

????????????????
waiting a night ? XD

bro,she could switch if she wants to, why would apprentice wait a night ? XD

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Asako D3 and D4 claimed to have been blocked for nights 1, 2 and 3.

pretty sure we agreed that she wasn't blocked, instead you're the one who did not have a target to begin with since your SM is lie to begin with.
why do you keep saying she claimed to be blocked night 2 ??

night 1, DD himself didn't do anything
and night 3, wojak is the one that claimed to be blocked.

stop spreading missinformation man XD you ain't winning like that

 

[Asako]

Sam the way i see it you're targeting kako cause if you lynch him today you win the game
Don't forget the fact he bomb guys!

Like seriously there one liar Between you and me sam, yet you're going for kako the potential bomb instead of me
There no discussion made with the fact we have two opposite results yet you so focused on lynching kakoha
Yea because you win if u do

No kako shouldn't be lynched today, I'm not even sure he mafia yet
All the arguement about him having shino role meanwhile there wojak i still don't buy it

What I'm sure about tho is you're mafia, and we need a mafia to die
I'm not risking a bomb that will cost us the game

 

[Brandish μ]

and night 3, wojak is the one that claimed to be blocked.

He said this?

 

[SirSamuel016]

????????????????
waiting a night ? XD

bro,she could switch if she wants to, why would apprentice wait a night ? XD

I see you fail to realise the obvious but her role was a 3:

Anyway the other number is 3

That means she couldn't use it night 1. You might want to check the facts before you get ahead of yourself again because you think you've got your win sewn up.

pretty sure we agreed that she wasn't blocked, instead you're the one who did not have a target to begin with since your SM is lie to begin with.
why do you keep saying she claimed to be blocked night 2 ??

night 1, DD himself didn't do anything
and night 3, wojak is the one that claimed to be blocked.

stop spreading missinformation man XD you ain't winning like that

Who is we? Certainly not me.

Also, unless I'm wrong, how is Wojak as a Banshee supposed to know if he was blocked or not?

Used Banshee. Targeted Sam.

Does Banshee get a PM when they mark someone? I'm waiting on hosts to confirm my question but if Banshee doesn't get confiirmation that their target was marked, and there is nothing in role interaction threads that says it is supposed to then that would clearly prove Woj to be a liar and Koko if legit to potentially have been blocked. It'd be a lot clearer if there was an example PM that showcased a PM Banshee receives for marking a target so we'd know for sure, but in the event Banshee doesn't get one this clearly means Woj is lying.

night 1, DD himself didn't do anything
and night 3, wojak is the one that claimed to be blocked.

Asako has said she got nothing each night for all of her targets, so DD not doing anything due to the 3s not being active on N1 checks out. What doesn't check out is the contested N2 (DD was blocked) nor a Banshee claiming he was blocked if they don't get a PM about their target. Your logic for me doing nothing doesn't fit reality either and it's pretty clear you'll throw whatever tripe you can out to win at this point.

Sam the way i see it you're targeting kako cause if you lynch him today you win the game
Don't forget the fact he bomb guys!

Firstly, I'm not only debating against Kako, I've debated Woj and others two on why there are good cases to lynch Kako, yourself, or Woj. I do think Kako is the best option but that doesn't mean I'm only pushing for him so for you to say I'm only targetting one person isn't only wrong but it makes you look bad for trying to recontextualise it in that way.
Secondly, bomb is the fakest shit possible in this situation and you pointing to it like this only further exemplifies that you're trying to dupe people into mislynching me so you mafia cunts can win. If Kako is bomb, my mother must be a fucking Lamborghini and I definitely know the latter ain't true.

Like seriously there one liar Between you and me sam, yet you're going for kako the potential bomb instead of me
There no discussion made with the fact we have two opposite results yet you so focused on lynching kakoha
Yea because you win if u do

Again you try to create a different narrative than the reality of the situation. I've argued the case for multiple players to be considered for a lynch today, not just one person and I know you're not inept to see things this way which means you're deliberately trying to misconstrue it. The reason why you're hammering this narrative now is because you think Kako is a chance to be lynched and you see yourself and your lies as trusted enough to hold more weight. "Yeah because you win if you do" are you a fucking Hisense because all you're doing is projecting!

No kako shouldn't be lynched today, I'm not even sure he mafia yet
All the arguement about him having shino role meanwhile there wojak i still don't buy it

Again, I haven't only made arguments against Wojak, I've also made arguments against you and Wojak. What do you think about those? Why only mention the Kako ones hmm? You, Kako, and Woj are all displaying the same trait of being extremely pick-and-choose about what you'll engage with today which looks like risk management done by mafia.

What I'm sure about tho is you're mafia, and we need a mafia to die
I'm not risking a bomb that will cost us the game

Then why not lynch Wojak? You were appalled when he said he didn't know how the role he claimed functioned. Yet, you want me gone instead and instead of arguing exactly why you want it done, you're just throwing little lines out there. Get real.

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He said this?

I don't think so.

What he initially said was this:

If Asako and I were scums together then today Asako would have confirmed my block.

I asked him what he meant by his block to which he responds:

I was trying to phrase it like Asako would confirm her action which would mean you not being blocked and Asako as spy

So there is no assertion he was blocked from Woj but he minced his words a lot. Only Kako is declaring Wojak was blocked. Weird if you ask me.

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Anyway, give me your thoughts on things if you can @Brandish μ I need someone sensible here right now

 

[Brandish μ]

N1: Investigated DD, no result.
N2: Investigated Sam, no result. Sam claims to get feedback this night. DD claims to be blocked this night.
N3: Investigated Wojak, no result.

The block and 'no result' claims are hard to follow.

Asako has been clean all game to me, this is her only baggage. The baggage I need to be comfortable with is:
> digitaldude lied on N2 or there are two escorts - either is a lot to accept*
> Sam (you) are lying and are mafia - reasonably okay with that
> Asako was escorted over a doctor and the Necro - bit of a gamble from mafia so this is rough too

If I start to ponder that Asako is mafia, then I'm essentially saying:
> Asako can mimic town very well - sure
> Asko predicted Townie(1) and delivered the claim very well - she's capable and daring enough, from memory. Still felt very natural.
> Asako called out Pigeon in one post where he gave the impression of a Spy - capable, but this was early and we're getting into Oscar territory imo
> Further to the suspension of belief (that I would need), on D3 she claimed her role and targets very quickly, didn't wait around to see what others said as a mafia trying to be spy would.
> Asako makes three claims of no results. N1 is accurate. So if we think Asako is mafia, she took a risk that digital's bara was passive. N2, if Asako is mafia, she would know they blocked digitaldude, and she would have noted his big reveal would be tomorrow (on D2, so tomorrow is D3) and thus claiming she was blocked is a bit risky when they're already in a good spot (particularly if you're town).

That's what's in my head contemplating Asako.

*I don't like the chances of double escort, but maybe with all these roles?
Also *digital lied about his bara claim in order to avoid being shot as he thought himself sleeper (his townie was a two, as he claims, which I tend to believe). If he lied on this may have also have lied about the block on det, in order to hold off a shot on him and create confusion for mafia.

 

[Kakoha]

So there is no assertion he was blocked from Woj but he minced his words a lot. Only Kako is declaring Wojak was blocked. Weird if you ask me.

I don't talk instead of ppl, that was just what I understood from what he said.

 

[Asako]

Two escort in one team is unbelievable to me while we have no prostitute, mafia gotta block them all ?
Like escort is the most op role in mafia especially in late game
I don't think host will give two escort to the same team, there a limit
So townie gotta choose between det or spy meanwhile mafia have infinite escorts


Also what benefits does DD have to hold off lie, he didn't know his sanity yet, and there been two dets dead, he be cooking us now if he lied
I don't think he sabotage townie like that
It be sabotaging cause it cause a both death of me and sam, like in the long run there he locked us in our lost if he lied

 

[Brandish μ]

> Asko predicted Townie(1) and delivered the claim very well

I have a 4 and a 1 but my in reality i only have the 4 role because my 1 is townie in the bara clan

Argh thanks panda


So if there any mason team in the making, make me join especially if it's the bara slot


Btw seeing me with the 1 have townie kinda made me wonder how many townie there are in this game, especially as 1 is always activated as a role

Her third post of the game, page two. Early asf.

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Asako called out Pigeon in one post where he gave the impression of a Spy

I targeted my Kakoha with my Capy (2) Night Actions, with nothing seemingly happening.

I had briefly considered targeting Lawl, but in the end decided against it.

I could have used my Bara (4) Night Action to have influenced Day 2 more, but it felt more risky than just using my Capy Action.

what do u mean by nothing happening

So you spied on Kako?

Asako and Farfalla quickly quoted AnimePigeon. The only reactions to Pigeon on this.

 

[SirSamuel016]

The block and 'no result' claims are hard to follow.

It is, and it's the key to solving this thing.

Kako says that Wojak was blocked, Wojak doesn't say he was blocked (at least clearly) yet Kako assumes this why? The official ajudication is that Banshee doesn't get a confirmation PM for its targets so Wojak has no way of knowing if he was blocked by himself. If he was trying to imply that he knew he got blocked, well that'd be bullshit because he never gets a PM anyway.

That's not the end of it though because the thing the scum are trying to use to support each other's stories is their fake Spy, Asako. She said she had no targets for three straight days. DD N1 checks out because he could do nothing. N2 I targeted Lawl so that's an outright lie, and N3, well Wojak said he targeted me so what's going on there???

Asako has been clean all game to me, this is her only baggage. The baggage I need to be comfortable with is:
> digitaldude lied on N2 or there are two escorts - either is a lot to accept*
> Sam (you) are lying and are mafia - reasonably okay with that
> Asako was escorted over a doctor and the Necro - bit of a gamble from mafia so this is rough too

DD is a confirmed det, but nothing confirms Asako to be a Spy. As much as some might hate to have to consider Asako for her play, what good would DD have to lie about being blocked when his result could've also confirmed my sanity as he wasn't the only one who targeted me that night- Erin did too and got innocent. Shouldn't DD hold more weight because he's the only one confirmed? Lying about his second role was a way to try and air out those who couldn't kill him at night, that much is for sure, but why lie about his result? That doesn't make sense.

There is not a world where both DD lied and I didn't do something N2, let alone each night like Farf once implied by saying I'm a sitting goose or some shit.

If I start to ponder that Asako is mafia, then I'm essentially saying:
> Asako can mimic town very well - sure
> Asko predicted Townie(1) and delivered the claim very well - she's capable and daring enough, from memory. Still felt very natural.
> Asako called out Pigeon in one post where he gave the impression of a Spy - capable, but this was early and we're getting into Oscar territory imo
> Further to the suspension of belief (that I would need), on D3 she claimed her role and targets very quickly, didn't wait around to see what others said as a mafia trying to be spy would.
> Asako makes three claims of no results. N1 is accurate. So if we think Asako is mafia, she took a risk that digital's bara was passive. N2, if Asako is mafia, she would know they blocked digitaldude, and she would have noted his big reveal would be tomorrow (on D2, so tomorrow is D3) and thus claiming she was blocked is a bit risky when they're already in a good spot (particularly if you're town).

On the 3rd point, I'd remind you they may have a Mafia Detective that they'd eventually check him with so pushing for more could've been a way to see if they needed to check him that night while Kako (Janitor) took care of Shino if I'm right on what the scums did.

There are some bold plays there for sure, but town trusted her and like you said, she established things very early. Still, I don't think DD would lie about no N2 result when it came to that, it just doesn't check out and he should receive the benefit of the doubt due to him being confirmed.

I think the scum party is Kakoha, Asako, and Wojak, and I'm willing to put some great northerns on it.

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I don't talk instead of ppl, that was just what I understood from what he said.

Well you'd be incorrect because Banshee doesn't get PM'd confirmation of their action- so if Wojak was to say he was blocked he'd have no way of knowing. This is an issue.

 

[Brandish μ]

I don't think host will give two escort to the same team, there a limit

Assuming Erin is det, is 4 dets beyond limits? If Escort is a (4) and not a (2), I could see two escorts tbh. I mean, if there is some kind of standard for roles in a game, the mechanic would skew that a bit. But yea, two escorts is an unexpected or unlikely thing.

Also what benefits does DD have to hold off lie, he didn't know his sanity yet, and there been two dets dead, he be cooking us now if he lied
I don't think he sabotage townie like that
It be sabotaging cause it cause a both death of me and sam, like in the long run there he locked us in our lost if he lied

I don't disagree with that. But, if digitaldude is already lying to town due to being conscious of his Townie(2) (potential sleeper), there's a small chance I think that he lies again. This is very fkn iffy though.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I can't see two escorts being a thing, it's too much when town has no counter for it on top of the number mechanic. This is simply a case of one of the investigatives (DD or Asako) lying, and I don't think DD would lie on his result.

 

[Asako]

Seriously sam what i don't get is you're 100% sure I'm mafia yet you want today lynch to be kako

You should be going after me and voting me

That's what i was arguing about, yet you mainly want to lynch kakoha today

 

[Brandish μ]

Another town point for Asako, imo, her and Farf's Spy claim being offset suits Farf's Capy(Necro) so that the good town roles can be necro'd. That make sense.

I'd nearly have to be convinced that Farfalla is also mafia with Asako to believe Asako is mafia. If Farfalla is mafia I lose, that's too much for me.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Seriously sam what i don't get is you're 100% sure I'm mafia yet you want today lynch to be kako

You should be going after me and voting me

That's what i was arguing about, yet you mainly want to lynch kakoha today

Please read:

Again, I haven't only made arguments against Wojak, I've also made arguments against you and Wojak. What do you think about those? Why only mention the Kako ones hmm? You, Kako, and Woj are all displaying the same trait of being extremely pick-and-choose about what you'll engage with today which looks like risk management done by mafia.

I've argued cases against you, Kako, and Wojak because I'm trying to give town the best chance of fighting back. Saying I'm only pushing one is a blatant lie and shows you're acting in bad faith. Kako is a good option, the apprentice claim is dodgy as he hasn't learnt anything and with the Pigeon death he gets to have two more days of fucking around and finding out nothing- it reeks, especially with the "I'm a bomb so you can't lynch me" stinky claim.

Your lying though is the other prevalent issue. I could vote you but then I'd be locked hence why I'm not switching yet but I will if town can agree on a course of action. Still, you being lynched is something we have to consider because you could be lying and that would then expose everything, it'd certainly incriminate Wojak and by extension, Kakoha.

 

[Erinyes]

Two escort in one team is unbelievable to me while we have no prostitute, mafia gotta block them all ?

I agree with that, and how would they even be able to use their role on all nights given the value mechanics make it impossible for everyone's role to be used consistently.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Another town point for Asako, imo, her and Farf's Spy claim being offset suits Farf's Capy(Necro) so that the good town roles can be necro'd. That make sense.

I'd nearly have to be convinced that Farfalla is also mafia with Asako to believe Asako is mafia. If Farfalla is mafia I lose, that's too much for me.

This is like when Stevie Wonder sings about seeing something when he can't see shit, fucking hell. Why is Asako getting a vibe check pass? Three days of nothing, can you really pass that off as nothing to see here when the other guy who said he was blocked D2 was labelled a liar by her and died???

I'm sorry @Crescent Jinx @Evil3ye @Lawl Po Bia @shinobi @AnimePigeon @digitaldude I'm really fucking trying to fight back for you here but after staying up to 5am arguing the cases and I'm wearing thin

 

[Erinyes]

to me 2 escorts is unlikely, though its a panda game . so I'm skeptikal too with the bomb/banshee too. Though we are 4 dets but its almost impossible to use det since basically we have to choose between spy and det due to values opposition.

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I have to go soon to work, and I cant decide who to vote for,