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  1. TSPanda

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    All previous Lore can be read in the OP! This post contains the newest lore, current day vote count and the current day timer!

    Day 6 Ends in:

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    [​IMG] Gryffindor 4x (Desin24, Gnut, Belserion,Emptysoul,Memesky)


    1. The player whose name is written in this Note, shall die by night
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    2. The player that holds this note must write down a name
    ~
    3. The player has to pass on the Note to a player they haven't passed it to yet. The hosts pick someone randomly if the player doesn't
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    4. Obtaining the Note prevents you from using your primary role, and uses up your night action
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    5. The Note does not prevent you from making use of any secondary role. The Note can always be used
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    6. Failing to either write down a name or pass on the Note incurs 1 (+ Nights passed) penalty votes the next Day
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    7. You receive the Note during the start of Day and pass it on at the end of Night
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    8. The Holder of the Note shows up in investigations like a non-townie normally would
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    9. The kill failing incurs no penalties
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    10. If the Holder of the Note is lynched during the Day, the Note is destroyed along with them
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    11. If the Holder of the Note is killed during the Night, the Note is passed to a random member of the killing party instead
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    12. Passing on the Note for the third time and onward incurs 1 (+ Nights passed) penalty votes the next Day
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    13. These rules are exhaustive

    Day 1 Starts

    Chapter 1: An inconvenient truth
    Day 1 ENDS

    Chapter 2: Just how bad is the trouble, really? I
    Night 1 ENDS - DAY 2 STARTS

    Chapter 3: I still don't get it! I
    Day 2 ENDS

    Day 3 STARTS

    Day 3 Ends

    Day 4 Starts

    Day 5 Starts
    The bare facts - The Purple Truth

    "(...) the instructions in the Note are written in Purple Truth." (Lawlda, Day 1)
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    "This truth is technically the technical complete truth about the rules of the Note!" (Bern, Night 1)

    "(...) if bad guests gather, the Holder forces their kill action through the Note... On all of them" (Bern, Night 1)


    ~

    ???? - The Pink Truth

    "I found something note-like earlier." (Lawlda, Day 1)

    "We need to lynch someone to get rid of it for good, (...)" (Bern, Day 1)
    ~
    "If they have other bad guests around them, the Note will just drain their power too" (Aurora, Night 1)

    "Other similarly powerful supernatural forces can overcome or at least tie with the Purple Truth." (Aurora, Night 1)
    ~
    "(...) there's only one truth" (Lawlda, Day 2)

    ~

    ???? - The Blue Truth

    "I gave it back to someone who seemed like a good guy." (Lawlda, Day 1)

    "(...) but there is no free way to do that..." (Bern, Day 1)

    "It would be nice if there were methods other than basically blind luck to get rid of the Note..." (Lawlda, Day 1)
    ~
    "One of those rules basically stated that if they hold the Note, their Night Action becomes a Kill Action." (Bern, Night 1)

    "A bad guest will have to Kill with the Note." (Aurora, Night 1)

    "Something… Lambda said... Yeah, I don't feel the Note is safe" (Bern, Night 1)

    ~
    "They gave up on figuring out the Note. I don't think they even tried..." (Lawlda, Day 2)

    "I definitely handed out more than one Note" (Lawlda, Day 2)

    "Rules 4, 5, 11 and 12… There's something there, yes?" (Aurora, Day 2)

    "There's also rules that imply are ways to kill with two Notes" (Aurora, Day 2)


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    Chapter 1: An inconvenient truth

    We gather up all these people to play a fun game of mafia but with torture instead of lynching, and then this stupid note with pretty letters shows up.


    I yahoo’d Death Note, but all I find is some cliché anime about a dude chasing another dude who’s act-

    Wait, what pretty let-


    Ah good, I was worried, because the instructions in the Note are written in Purple Truth.


    WHAT? YOU DIDN’T THINK TO MENTION THAT EARLIER?

    I forgot. Also, I forgot.


    ...So, the plan to kill the killers once they’re done killing the killed is off the table?


    DUH! We need to find the person that-

    Man, I wonder why these Notes are just lying around.


    Guests are sloppy and ungrate- Notes?

    Yeah, I found something note-like earlier. For some reason, I almost forgot to remember that earlier. My bad!

    I gave it back to someone who seemed like a good guy
    . They said they'd be more careful next time. :Lambda


    You just gave away a Note written in Purple Truth...

    We need to lynch someone to get rid of it for good, but there is no free way to do that...

    It would be nice if there were methods other than basically blind luck to get rid of the Note...


    Lets just find Aurora and explain it to her before she find out on her own...

    For clarity sake, let's keep track of our investigation somewhere!


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    Aurora.


    Bern.

    I wanted to tell you that I already know what the night will bring them. *giggle*


    Oh... Pray tell, what's going to happen?

    The person the guests killed earlier was emanating some weak energy.

    It can’t harm us, but just a few of these bad guests can kill a cute guest. Easily.


    I’m sure that our guests tonight aren’t stupid and will use their abilities wisely.

    I don’t particularly care about their lives, but I’m sure they do.

    There is more!


    Convincing gasp

    The rules in the Note Lambda found earlier… the instructions in the Note are written in Purple Truth

    This truth is technically the complete truth about the rules of the Note!


    Naturally, I susp-

    One of those rules basically stated that if they hold the Note, their Night Action becomes a Kill Action.


    Oh.

    I’m sure you’re suggesting that a… Cute guest turns into bad guest that Night.


    *snickers*


    But the reverse is also true. A bad guest will have to Kill with the Note.

    If they have other bad guests around them, the Note will just drain their power too.

    So, if bad guests gather, the Holder forces their kill action through the Note... On all of them?

    I see! This is the purple truth that leads from these Truths...


    Yes! An impressive first step. Here's something to keep your hopes up.

    Other similarly powerful supernatural forces can overcome or at least tie with the Purple Truth.

    Heh, actually, I decided, it doesn’t matter!

    Either they do the killing or they risk being killed even more! They can’t win!


    Not to mention... That rule could make multiple Notes a pro...

    Wait, how do you know a bad guest has a Note, anyway?

    Oh... I don't know...

    Something… Lawlda said... Yeah, I don't feel the Note is safe

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    Aurora


    Lawlda


    What are you going to do about this killing Note?


    I thought you said you were going to enjoy the chaos, earlier…?

    Oh please… You read that? That lore is filler!

    I only read the fieldset. Not interested in clear, sharp images with tasteful colouring.


    Why don’t you add some clear and sharp data to your tastefully coloured truths?

    Maybe our guests will read it.

    lol


    lol


    But for real, this is driving them crazy

    They gave up on figuring out the Note. I don't think they even tried...


    Fine

    How many notes do you remember finding?

    I don’t exactly remember, but I found out there's only one truth!


    ... (Not bad)

    But if you're confused, it was one or more Notes you handed out?


    Yeah, I definitely handed out more than one Note.


    Heh. I won-

    But not enough for everybody!

    Bad, cute, pig, it doesn't matter! I demand equality of possessions between guests!


    I'm actually not surprised you desire this

    But I think... Maybe the Note itself forces it's way out of the hands of its owner for a reason...


    What do you mean?


    There are some interesting rules...

    Rules 4, 5, 11 and 12… There's something there, yes?

    Oh!

    Everyone gets to suffer and dish out suffering!


    Only in an utopia, dear.

    There's also rules that imply are ways to kill with two notes...


    What?! Despite everything, one person can kill with two notes at once?

    ...Can you say that in Purple?


    *giggle* Of course, I can't say... that in Purple.

    Want me to say it in Pink though?


    ...

    Nah...


    Well, soon enough the guests will understand the scope of the problem...

    I'd say, 'there's still hope to find these Notes!' in purple, but...

    Well, if they won't read this...
    I’m going to find Bern and do some reading on them instead!


    I think I’m starting to understand your problem....

    But I’m not sure Bern will agree


    It's so nice to be under-

    What?


    Ask our guests to you help you with your investigating...

    And don't forget to update and upgrade your NOTES~


    Wait!


    Your next lines will be, ‘What?! She can do that?!’

    *poof*


    What?!

    She can do that?!



    Chapter 4: I still don't get it! II

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    Bern

    Lawlda

    Some people might be confusing ‘the Purple Truth’ with the Note itself

    Pigs!


    Well, they’re at getting closer to figuring it all out

    Lol


    Lol

    This Note is spreading around faster than the rumor about you liking Sakura more than Rin.


    Hey!! Careful with that. Who even spread that? How dare they! Rin is the absolute best!

    It's purple, so it must be true!

    ...


    ...

    Yeah, so about the Note

    What's the worst situation?


    All bad guys hold a Note, they can each make a Kill

    What's the best one?

    One bad guy holds the Notes, only one Note will kill


    One Guy has to write a name in each Note, since Notes will always work, but their night action is consumed, so...

    Makes sense. Maybe we can still save some pigs then.

    The problem is, the only thing we can do is talk like really loudly like this

    Yeah, and hope that people get our hints without Aurora noticing lol

    I say no better moment than now to investigate them ourselves!

    Oh My Aurora! I was going to suggest the same!

    o m a nice

    Aurora said you wouldn't agree, though

    Well, let's say... We have different motivations.

    ... Speaking of Aurora, we can only investigate four of them without her noticing...

    ...

    Yeah...

    Let's stick to four investigations... lol...

    What about the results?

    Well, we're a bit rusty... But we can both randomly pick 2 guests to investigate.

    On second thought, maybe I should just do all of them...

    No way, you do one properly and then you mess up the other one. Always!
    Says the witch that doesn't actually understand the process and just fills in one answer or the other...

    I want to sniffle around too!!

    There's only one truth, hello


    tru

    Let's randomly assign guests to groups, and have the guests themselves pick who we should investigate.

    What four though?

    We have only been posting comics, counting votes and answering stupid questions about the Note.


    I was so occupied. I couldn’t even follow the game properly…

    Well… Let the pigs decide, huh?

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    We'll learn his role in a few minutes anyway
     
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    Hopefully....you forgot who's hosting:XD
     
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    END OF DAY 1




    [​IMG] Emperor Spriggan 5x (Belserion, Vandred, MonkeyD-Dragoon, Grysun, Syx)
    [​IMG] Arjuna 2x (Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote)
    [​IMG] EmptySoul 2x (Organizized, Niichan)
    [​IMG] Elusia 2x (Zasz, Marmalade sky)
    [​IMG] Erin 2x (EmptySoul, WithYouInSpirit)
    [​IMG] GrySun 2x (Zimbardo, Xnut)
    [​IMG] Niichan 2x (Lambu, Gryffindor)
    [​IMG] Syx 2x (Demonspeed, Emperor Spriggan)
    [​IMG] DemonSpeed 1x (Arjuna)
    [​IMG] DiMaria Yesta 1x (Elusia)
    [​IMG] Vandred 1x (Lady Pompom)

    [​IMG] Xnut 1x (Erinyes)
    [​IMG] Zasz 1x (Kato)
    [​IMG] Monkey D Dragoon 1x (Gnut)




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    Mafia Detective

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    Sorry guys couldn't find all characters images for this atm. ^^;


    The Night Phase has started.
     
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    A long night. A deathly night.

    My fellow witches are afk, I have a test soon and I have to wait 30 seconds every time I post anywhere.

    Life is bad.

    But...

    Yours became a little worse...


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    The Night has ended

    The lore will be updated accordingly throughout the day

    Countdown in sticky post


     
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    Well then, this is possibly the worst night I've ever seen. Only townies died, and they were both doctor and detective. RIP Demon and Orgz, wish I could've played longer with you.
    I had hoped for mafias to kill each other, at least 1 of the other mafia to die to confirm us that there are 2 mafias or another one of Spriggan's mafia. How do important roles always die so early, this sucks...

    And there go my hopes for this game.
     
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    Damn so Demonspeed again was not a mafia, at least that takes away the discussions whether him being quite often mafia means that there is a higher chance he is in this game as well.
    What a tough night to lose both doctor and detective at the same time.

    Since we only have two kills and not three is there a chance there is only one mafia and possibly a couple third parties?
     
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    A new "chapter" was posted, just noticed it now. And I have no idea what to think of it. I can't even rely on Orgz to deal with the riddles anymore :feelsbadman I really didn't think he was townie.

    Don't forget the Death Note... :feelsbadman
     
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    Desin24 and DiMaria Yesta will both receive three penalty votes as punishment for:

    1. Not posting the required amount of times;
    2. Not casting a vote

    Failing to comply with the rules again will lead to a Host Kill
     
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    Because of the Death Note I expected 3 deaths to be honest. The thing with the Death Note is that it may have fallen to an inactive player who didn't get to use it or just so many scenarios. I agree with you that it could not be a worse night.

    I feel like the riddle means that a mafia member has the death note
     
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    If we think about it, the logical answer is that there is only 1 group of maffia and the other death was the result of the deathnote.
    Unless the owner of the note decided not to use it (Possible trap?)
     
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    Logical answer? How so?
     
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    So the mafia had the note last night and from the second chapter it seems they still have it. Really need to lynch another one today :darn
     
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    @WithYouInSpirit I mean, 1 Maffia group means one death per night, coming from that group right? (Unless I'm missing some specific role rules).
    So the second death could mean that they used the death note.

    But if I think about it, there is always the possibility it was a townie (note owner) that made a mistake
     
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    There is the possibility that one of the Mafia killers were blocked. This is a basic rule...
     
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    Well... Yeah, that's a pretty heavy blow. We still got a Mafia Det as a first lynch, though, which is probably the best first day result ever. It's way too early to give up :nah


    With that new information from "Chapter 2", it seems a bit more plausible that there could be a single mafia, since it appears to suggest that if a mafia member is holding the Note, they can't use the regular nightkill but need to use the Note instead:
    And that's a lot better for us, especially with that part about a "bad guest" being in possession of it. I still think it's more likely that there are two mafias and a few third parties than one mafia and a lot of Serial Killers/Mentors/Santas...



    The first part is possible, but there's a reasonable number of ways to die during the night even without being targeted by the mafia or third parties. There are also a lot of ways a mafia kill can fail, so we can't rule anything out yet.

    The last part is impossible. The holder could have failed the kill, but the rules of the Note say that you get a penalty if you don't use the Note or don't designate its next owner, and the only penalties we can see are those for yesterday's inactivity.
     
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    so Demon was innocent after all.I thought the he may be Mafia especially after it was revealed Emperor Spriggan was Mafia and both of them seemed to have some sort of coordination at the beginning.So this makes me look since the start.
     
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    Okay so I read back the last posts of the last day, and I am even more enforced in believing what I said near the end of the day.

    gnut and niichan. One of them is a mafia for sure. Both were very jumpy on me saying there are no mafias among those that voted Spriggan, even though I never said that and they were putting words into my mouth. But the worst thing is, they heavily went all in in challenging my point of there being mafias among those that in the last minuted didn‘t vote for Spriggan. Why would they debate that unless they knew that Spriggan would show as mafia? This is a giant slipup.

    Out of them, I think it simply has to be nichan. Why? gnut made a lot of hints, which is something he does almost always he‘s town. One could probably even trace what his role is by going through all his games and what roles he had, same thing he pulled last game as Mason Recruiter. He also suspected niichan at start(though his voting near the end is still strange)
    Meanwhile, niichan made a giant post challenging my point of there being mafias among those that didn‘t vote spriggan, even though we didn’t know if Spriggan would show as mafia. But among all those words he basically said nothing if you make a tl;dr version of it. He wanted to start a way to save Spriggan. Then, he voted for Empty because Empty was in a similar situation to Spriggan and tried to pull votes to him.

    I‘m currently on sucky phone internet in the cold walking outside taking care of something, but when I‘m back I‘d be very glad to debate you over this @niichan. I haven‘t had such a read I‘m very convinced of since Panda in the TG game, it has to be him.
     
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    Hmm. Demon wasn't mafia this time. And town had great losses a doc and a dec Really? I still think there are two máfias and that one aimed for the det while a townie probably used the note to kill demonspeed.
     

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