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and from those 6 from what I gathered ppl suspecting each of them are as follows:

MarmaladeSky x3

SirSamuel016 x3

Takuan x3

SonOfDaws x2

Xnut x3

Gnut x3
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but only 7 ppl stated their suspects today... so...
 

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It is one thing if someone intentionally didn't reveal this info when asked and another when someone doesn't randomly do so. Different context. That's what I'm referring to.

Most of the players are experienced here. I think it's stretching it to assume mafia can't individually start working on their claims to the extent of claiming active/passive without talking first. Tbh, if I were mafia, I certainly wouldn't need to wait to talk with a team first to pick one. Especially since it's not even picking an actual claim yet
But you didn‘t answer my bottom part. This is all stuff I already told you. Yes, some can easily claim early. But how many of our current 19 players can you see doing that? Is it not likely to find mafia in the group of 6 I said? 2/3rds of players claimed early, 1/3rd did not. Is it more likely that all mafias are in the bigger group? Or that several are in the smaller group?
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Roles:


DemonspeedActiveGajeelPassive
ErinyesActiveLambuPassive
GrySunActiveMarmaladeSkyPassive
OrganizizedActiveMoegaraPassive
Sakura-AnekiActiveSirSamuel016Passive
ShadActiveTakuanPassive
SonOfDawsActiveDigitalDudeTownie
xnutActive
HoltActive
gnutActive



Everyone claimed.
Those in red claimed roles Day 2.
Holt should be red, Marm shouldn‘t.
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Hats off to mafia if they all claimed active or passive Day 1, best mafia play I‘ve seen in a long time lol.
 

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But you didn‘t answer my bottom part. This is all stuff I already told you. Yes, some can easily claim early. But how many of our current 19 players can you see doing that? Is it not likely to find mafia in the group of 6 I said? 2/3rds of players claimed early, 1/3rd did not. Is it more likely that all mafias are in the bigger group? Or that several are in the smaller group?
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Holt should be red, Marm shouldn‘t.
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Hats off to mafia if they all claimed active or passive Day 1, best mafia play I‘ve seen in a long time lol.
I'd definitely expect mafia in both groups but if you're expecting majority of a potential 5 man mafia in a group of 6, I need a dose of your optimism
 

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I'd definitely expect mafia in both groups but if you're expecting majority of a potential 5 man mafia in a group of 6, I need a dose of your optimism
Still not answering my question :notlikethis

Assume 5 mafias. How many are in the group of 12, how many in the group of 6? When groups depend on them sharing, without being called out, their type of role?
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Btw now that Hardy is dead, what happens with our active role usage plans?
 

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Still not answering my question :notlikethis

Assume 5 mafias. How many are in the group of 12, how many in the group of 6? When groups depend on them sharing, without being called out, their type of role?
Huh? How didn't I answer? I just said I don't expect majority in a small group of 6. IDG how I'm supposed to have a number when I don't know the mafia..
 

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Btw now that Hardy is dead, what happens with our active role usage plans?
We don't know how many doctors we have and the bodyguard is dead, so we got two choices. Spy keeps investigating, and Holt gives her the Hot Potato to protect her from mafia, assuming they aren't willing to sacrifice a player, but sakura might died if the bomb is meant to explode next day, or we tell the doctor(s) to protect Sakura, but there's a 50% chance of it working, plus considering the fact that one might be insane and that we might hit the 7 night-actions cap. Our investigator is dead so the whole 7 night-actions idea is a lot worse now.
 

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You know your own role Holt, so the group of 6 is actually a group of 5 if you are town. I find it odd you thus don‘t have bigger gripes about them than you do, but well this isn‘t going anywhere.
I will have both my votes on people from there, fwiw.
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We don't know how many doctors we have and the bodyguard is dead, so we got two choices. Spy keeps investigating, and Holt gives her the Hot Potato to protect her from mafia, assuming they aren't willing to sacrifice a player, but sakura might died if the bomb is meant to explode next day, or we tell the doctor(s) to protect Sakura, but there's a 50% chance of it working, plus considering the fact that one might be insane and that we might hit the 7 night-actions cap. Our investigator is dead so the whole 7 night-actions idea is a lot worse now.
I think potato should never be given to a ?trusted? townie, risk bigger than it‘s worth. Spies finding useful info is very rare, they don‘t need to get rid of her at all costs, more likely they just let the townie with potato be and die to explosion.
Best play is to try and put it on mafias, though they‘ll throw it back immediately. Either we try our luck like this or we try to predict which phase they‘d determine for explosion, from a host pov. Doubt it‘d be this early especially as it drives the action count up.

Idk about the usage of actions but I really believe some important roles should use it regardless of the phase. With next night‘s effect Prostitute and Escort get kinda bad, same with Docs, so those should maybe be skipped unless we want to gamble.
 

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But you didn‘t answer my bottom part. This is all stuff I already told you. Yes, some can easily claim early. But how many of our current 19 players can you see doing that? Is it not likely to find mafia in the group of 6 I said? 2/3rds of players claimed early, 1/3rd did not. Is it more likely that all mafias are in the bigger group? Or that several are in the smaller group?
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Holt should be red, Marm shouldn‘t.
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Hats off to mafia if they all claimed active or passive Day 1, best mafia play I‘ve seen in a long time lol.
marm claimed role D2 hold claimed D1

MarmaladeSky Passive#518
Holt Active#233
 

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marm claimed role D2 hold claimed D1

MarmaladeSky Passive#518
Holt Active#233

Mnhm okay, I can't imagine there are much actives at all (for both mafia and town) if these are the mechanics. That would make it too easy for mafia in my opinion. Though I suppose it wouldn't hurt to be at least a bit careful about it and think about night actions properly before using them. Do not have a night action myself however
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^which is post 201.
 

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You don‘t? Idk, i think it‘s very unlikely all mafias will claim active/passive before talking at night with each other, I always give extra weight to Day 1 reveals. Tell me how that‘s wrong, and equal to D2 after they all talked?

Do you believe all mafias already individually claimed active/passive? How many of the 6 that didn‘t do it yesterday are town and how many mafia?
1 to 5? 2 to 4? 0 to 6?
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You didn‘t answer my question at all lmao
When I claimed I didnt think I was the only vanilla in the game.
 

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I think potato should never be given to a ?trusted? townie, risk bigger than it‘s worth. Spies finding useful info is very rare, they don‘t need to get rid of her at all costs, more likely they just let the townie with potato be and die to explosion.
Best play is to try and put it on mafias, though they‘ll throw it back immediately. Either we try our luck like this or we try to predict which phase they‘d determine for explosion, from a host pov. Doubt it‘d be this early especially as it drives the action count up.
You do realize the moment she finds ONE information on one player, if we keep restricting the roles, that target will be 100% incriminated. There's no way they would keep her alive. I don't even know how she survived the first night honestly, might be ShapeShifter, but they will definitely go for her soon enough. It is true that giving her the Hot Potato is a gamble, but in the situation we're in, it's either she dies not-protected or we gamble on the odds that the Hot Potato will act as her bodyguard. I'd rather put it on our spy to protect her rather than throw it to someone that we don't even know if he's mafia. We can't predict anything about the explosion until we get a clearer picture of the roles, so that's out of the way. There's 100% a defuser in the game though, but I don't think he'll come out.

Idk about the usage of actions but I really believe some important roles should use it regardless of the phase. With next night‘s effect Prostitute and Escort get kinda bad, same with Docs, so those should maybe be skipped unless we want to gamble.
You're shady as hell Gry. You really want us to hit 7-9. While I do agree that 5-6 hurts town a bit priority wise, it's extremely better than 7-9. I think at least one other townie should maybe try his role tonight (prostitute, or detective, or doctor), but nothing more. Nothing until we get rid of the scum's mafia detective, Hot Potato, or TP(?).
 

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You do realize the moment she finds ONE information on one player, if we keep restricting the roles, that target will be 100% incriminated. There's no way they would keep her alive. I don't even know how she survived the first night honestly, might be ShapeShifter, but they will definitely go for her soon enough. It is true that giving her the Hot Potato is a gamble, but in the situation we're in, it's either she dies not-protected or we gamble on the odds that the Hot Potato will act as her bodyguard. I'd rather put it on our spy to protect her rather than throw it to someone that we don't even know if he's mafia. We can't predict anything about the explosion until we get a clearer picture of the roles, so that's out of the way. There's 100% a defuser in the game though, but I don't think he'll come out.



You're shady as hell Gry. You really want us to hit 7-9. While I do agree that 5-6 hurts town a bit priority wise, it's extremely better than 7-9. I think at least one other townie should maybe try his role tonight (prostitute, or detective, or doctor), but nothing more. Nothing until we get rid of the scum's mafia detective, Hot Potato, or TP(?).
Im telling you about gry, he killed hardy so he wouldnt have competition for top poster in the thread.
 

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It,s all up to Holt though. Give it or bluff, you pick.
 

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but if mafias kill sakura then holt keeps potato.
 

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^which is post 201.
oh oki thanks, it was from erin's notes the post number.
Holt‘s post 233 is just an answer to Lambu‘s „are you town“ question.
I checked now too and saw, was from erin's notes, will check the rest too and make sure they're all accurate.

Appologies.

Fixed table:
Demonspeed ActiveGajeel Passive
Erinyes ActiveLambu Passive
GrySun ActiveMarmaladeSky Passive
Organizized ActiveMoegara Passive
Sakura-AnekiActiveSirSamuel016 Passive
Shad ActiveTakuan Passive
SonOfDaws ActiveDigitalDudeTownie
xnut Active
Holt Active
gnut Active
 

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You do realize the moment she finds ONE information on one player, if we keep restricting the roles, that target will be 100% incriminated. There's no way they would keep her alive. I don't even know how she survived the first night honestly, might be ShapeShifter, but they will definitely go for her soon enough. It is true that giving her the Hot Potato is a gamble, but in the situation we're in, it's either she dies not-protected or we gamble on the odds that the Hot Potato will act as her bodyguard. I'd rather put it on our spy to protect her rather than throw it to someone that we don't even know if he's mafia. We can't predict anything about the explosion until we get a clearer picture of the roles, so that's out of the way. There's 100% a defuser in the game though, but I don't think he'll come out.



You're shady as hell Gry. You really want us to hit 7-9. While I do agree that 5-6 hurts town a bit priority wise, it's extremely better than 7-9. I think at least one other townie should maybe try his role tonight (prostitute, or detective, or doctor), but nothing more. Nothing until we get rid of the scum's mafia detective, Hot Potato, or TP(?).
Very low chance she ever finds anything worthwhile, come on... I‘m telling you what I think, you can disagree but you‘re not on point at all this game if you call me shady. How many mislynches later will you question your own thoughts I wonder? If you‘re town.

And I don‘t get how what I said makes you think I want to hit 7-9 when I‘ve said the opposite, even saying some roles that could‘ve used last phase have less reason to use next one.

If you‘re not intentionally trying to misrepresent things you should really start doubting yourself a bit.
 

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Why is xnut red didnt he say he didnt think it was the right time to use his role?
 

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Im telling you about gry, he killed hardy so he wouldnt have competition for top poster in the thread.
I‘ll get a pretty „highest poster on MG86“ badge and now nobody can stop me!!!1!1
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Why is xnut red didnt he say he didnt think it was the right time to use his role?
You‘re free to go check his D1 posts and quote.
 

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@Holt give me potato.

From what I gathered most of you suspect Holt and Gry, How are those votes so spread out I wonder. Can we like decide on someone? I need to go to sleep and won't be up by the time the day ends, and I'd like to cast my final vote.
 
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