Fantasy Midnight vs. Cobra

[BluePegasus]

It takes place in the Alvarez Arc, somewhere in Fiore.

Midnight:
Reflector, including his ability to create illusions.

Cobra:
Poison Dragon Slayer Magic, including his sound ability.

 

[Dranzer]

Midnight wins with most likely medium/high difficulty. Although Cobra is very strong I don't think he will be able to counter both Midnight's illusions and reflector.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I can't exactly rank them from the Alvarez Arc because they haven't even made an appearance yet. However, from previous feats...

• Cobra > Midnight [High Difficulty]

Cobra and Midnight are pretty much the strongest from Oración Seis if you don't count Zero. I'd say they are relatively similar in power but Cobra will take this in the end. Note, that I will not bring any sort of hype for Cobra just because he is a dragon slayer. That is not as important to me as others. Midnight, on the other hand, seems to have a lot of defects in his magic as well.

First of all, with Cobra's extreme sensitivity to sound, he would be able to counter Midnight's illusions as he can keep his eyes closed during the entire fight. We saw Erza negate Midnight's illusions because of her fake eye which caused her to be able to realize that the illusions she were seeing from her other eye were not real. Using this logic, Cobra can close his eyes and solely rely on sound to fight Midnight.

Second of all, we know Midnight can only refract or deflect one area at a time. Had Cubelios been included, Cobra would have taken this fight a lot easily. But this is just Cobra vs. Midnight alone. Anyways, I would think that even if Cobra's body was restricted, he can still use Poison Dragon Roar to hit Midnight. During Erza's fight, we saw Erza being helpless against Midnight at first because he was bending her armors. This makes sense because Erza relies on her hands + feet to fight. But like I mentioned before, dragon slayers like Cobra can use their head to attack without the use of their hands or feet.

Lastly, we know that Midnight can manipulate armors + weapons but not physical attacks. We have seen that Cobra can attack physically with dragon slaying magic so this also goes against Midnight.

Not to mention, Cobra probably outclasses Midnight in physical strength, durability, speed, endurance, and stamina. On the contrary, I can only see Midnight having the upper hand on magical power if that. They should both be relatively the same in intelligence.

**NOTE: You guys can argue that Cobra is not able to pick out Midnight's weaknesses like Erza can which I can see. In my opinion, he is not as reckless as Natsu and Gajeel but he definitely isn't as smart as Gray or Erza either. Therefore, I would place him fairly average in which he should be able to eventually find out about Midnight's weak points if the fight were to last. Also, because nothing states about intel here, I guess it can go either way or we can negate that.

 

[BluePegasus]

I can't exactly rank them from the Alvarez Arc because they haven't even made an appearance yet. However, from previous feats...

• Cobra > Midnight [High Difficulty]

Cobra and Midnight are pretty much the strongest from Oración Seis if you don't count Zero. I'd say they are relatively similar in power but Cobra will take this in the end. Note, that I will not bring any sort of hype for Cobra just because he is a dragon slayer. That is not as important to me as others. Midnight, on the other hand, seems to have a lot of defects in his magic as well.

First of all, with Cobra's extreme sensitivity to sound, he would be able to counter Midnight's illusions as he can keep his eyes closed during the entire fight. We saw Erza negate Midnight's illusions because of her fake eye which caused her to be able to realize that the illusions she were seeing from her other eye were not real. Using this logic, Cobra can close his eyes and solely rely on sound to fight Midnight.

Second of all, we know Midnight can only refract or deflect one area at a time. Had Cubelios been included, Cobra would have taken this fight a lot easily. But this is just Cobra vs. Midnight alone. Anyways, I would think that even if Cobra's body was restricted, he can still use Poison Dragon Roar to hit Midnight. During Erza's fight, we saw Erza being helpless against Midnight at first because he was bending her armors. This makes sense because Erza relies on her hands + feet to fight. But like I mentioned before, dragon slayers like Cobra can use their head to attack without the use of their hands or feet.

Lastly, we know that Midnight can manipulate armors + weapons but not physical attacks. We have seen that Cobra can attack physically with dragon slaying magic so this also goes against Midnight.

Not to mention, Cobra probably outclasses Midnight in physical strength, durability, speed, endurance, and stamina. On the contrary, I can only see Midnight having the upper hand on magical power if that. They should both be relatively the same in intelligence.

**NOTE: You guys can argue that Cobra is not able to pick out Midnight's weaknesses like Erza can which I can see. In my opinion, he is not as reckless as Natsu and Gajeel but he definitely isn't as smart as Gray or Erza either. Therefore, I would place him fairly average in which he should be able to eventually find out about Midnight's weak points if the fight were to last. Also, because nothing states about intel here, I guess it can go either way or we can negate that.

I don't really get why you think that Cobra could counter Midnight's illusions with his sensitivity for sound. Midnight is not really there in his illusions, so he can't hear him at all. Midnight create the illusions, he is not the illusion himself.

How could Cobra hit Midnight with his magic? Midnight can reflect any magic there is. We saw that Natsu tried to hit him as well, but his spell was reflected while Midnight wasn't even awake.

I can't see a way that someone could defeat Midnight who doesn't use weapons or spells that can destroy a large area.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 20, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 20, 2016 ---

I'd say Midnight > Cobra medium diff.

 

[Arjuna]

Cobra can use The Same Method which Natsu used to defeat Midnight in The Key of The Starry Arc.Don't call it Non-Canon Mashima himself said that This is Canon.As We have Seen Midnight's Reflector has some drawbacks.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I don't really get why you think that Cobra could counter Midnight's illusions with his sensitivity for sound. Midnight is not really there in his illusions, so he can't hear him at all. Midnight create the illusions, he is not the illusion himself.

How could Cobra hit Midnight with his magic? Midnight can reflect any magic there is. We saw that Natsu tried to hit him as well, but his spell was reflected while Midnight wasn't even awake.

I can't see a way that someone could defeat Midnight who doesn't use weapons or spells that can destroy a large area.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 20, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 20, 2016 ---

I'd say Midnight > Cobra medium diff.

My point was that Cobra doesn't even need to fight with his eyes open to begin with. He can close his eyes from the start and just attack Midnight. So casting fake illusions on Cobra will prove useless as it is only skews visual perception which has no effect on any of the other senses. Meanwhile, sound is all Cobra needs to defeat his enemy provided he has enough power which in this case, he should.

Actually, spells that can destroy a large area is probably worst than Cobra's magic because it was said that Midnight can reflect magical attacks back but not physical. This is also an advantage for Cobra because the majority of his magic spells are CQC which would indeed affect Midnight. I would post individual panels but it would be too much so I'll just post the link to the chapter if you are interested in knowing what I'm talking about.

Fairy Tail Chapter 155: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Fairy-Tail/150?id=17636

In my opinion, I don't see Midnight beating Cobra let alone Medium Difficulty. If anything it should be Extreme Difficulty, although, I really think Cobra has surpassed Midnight.

 

[BluePegasus]

My point was that Cobra doesn't even need to fight with his eyes open to begin with. He can close his eyes from the start and just attack Midnight. So casting fake illusions on Cobra will prove useless as it is only skews visual perception which has no effect on any of the other senses. Meanwhile, sound is all Cobra needs to defeat his enemy provided he has enough power which in this case, he should.

Actually, spells that can destroy a large area is probably worst than Cobra's magic because it was said that Midnight can reflect magical attacks back but not physical. This is also an advantage for Cobra because the majority of his magic spells are CQC which would indeed affect Midnight. I would post individual panels but it would be too much so I'll just post the link to the chapter if you are interested in knowing what I'm talking about.

Fairy Tail Chapter 155: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Fairy-Tail/150?id=17636

In my opinion, I don't see Midnight beating Cobra let alone Medium Difficulty. If anything it should be Extreme Difficulty, although, I really think Cobra has surpassed Midnight.

Cobra can't hear Midnight in his illusion. Midnight isn't there, he only created it. If Cobra closes his eyes in the illusion, what will he do then?

It's true that physical attacks does effect Midnight. But that means that Cobra must defeat him with only physical attacks? I can't see a way that would happen.

 

[Arjuna]

Cobra can't hear Midnight in his illusion. Midnight isn't there, he only created it. If Cobra closes his eyes in the illusion, what will he do then?

It's true that physical attacks does effect Midnight. But that means that Cobra must defeat him with only physical attacks? I can't see a way that would happen.

Midnight has to be near to cast his illusions.He can't cast illusions from a far of place.Cobra can easily Close his Eyes and Then He can Rely on His Ears to figure out where Midnight is standing.The illusions will be ineffective as he will not open his eyes and use his Mind Hearing abilities.Midnight will never use illusions as he will know as Erik is Closing His Eyes his Illusions will be ineffective as Jellal did like this.

 

[BluePegasus]

Midnight has to be near to cast his illusions.He can't cast illusions from a far of place.Cobra can easily Close his Eyes and Then He can Rely on His Ears to figure out where Midnight is standing.The illusions will be ineffective as he will not open his eyes and use his Mind Hearing abilities.Midnight will never use illusions as he will know as Erik is Closing His Eyes his Illusions will be ineffective as Jellal did like this.

Midnight is not in his illusion, so he can't hear him. Jellal did not close his eyes, he blinded himself.

 

[Arjuna]

Midnight is not in his illusion, so he can't hear him. Jellal did not close his eyes, he blinded himself.

I can't make you understand.Jellal avoided his illusions.Your argument is not valid as Midnight will not cast His Illusions because Erik can close His Eyes as Jellal did.The Result would be The Same.Avoid His Illusions.Whether You are in Your illusions or not doesn't matter When Your Opponent will not See Your Illusion.In Order To make an illusion To Work Your Opponent Must See It First.

 

[BluePegasus]

I can't make you understand.Jellal avoided his illusions.Your argument is not valid as Midnight will not cast His Illusions because Erik can close His Eyes as Jellal did.The Result would be The Same.Avoid His Illusions.Whether You are in Your illusions or not doesn't matter When Your Opponent will not See Your Illusion.In Order To make an illusion To Work Your Opponent Must See It First.

And who says that Cobra will close his eyes? What if he doesn't even know if he is in an illusion? You make it look like his illusions are easy to escape, which isn't true. If you can counter his illusion by closing your eyes, than Midnight would be pointless in battle.

 

[Arjuna]

And who says that Cobra will close his eyes? What if he doesn't even know if he is in an illusion? You make it look like his illusions are easy to escape, which isn't true. If you can counter his illusion by closing your eyes, than Midnight would be pointless in battle.

He can do this from The Begining.Erik Will obviously Know That Midnight can cast illusions .So He will Close His Eyes From The Beginning.Even if He had opened His Eyes He Would have Known This is an illusion as Real Macbeth Will be Near Him and He will know this from Macbeth's Own Thoughts like Macbeth will be thinking"I casted a Good Illusion" and Erik will know this illusion by Hearing This Thought.Even if Macbeth is far of from Where The illusion is casted Erik can Hear from Far away.

 

[BluePegasus]

He can do this from The Begining.Erik Will obviously Know That Midnight can cast illusions .So He will Close His Eyes From The Beginning.Even if He had opened His Eyes He Would have Known This is an illusion as Real Macbeth Will be Near Him and He will know this from Macbeth's Own Thoughts like Macbeth will be thinking"I casted a Good Illusion" and Erik will know this illusion by Hearing This Thought.Even if Macbeth is far of from Where The illusion is casted Erik can Hear from Far away.

How can he hear Midnight if he is not in his illusion?

 

[Arjuna]

How can he hear Midnight if he is not in his illusion?

He Will Hear Thoughts From Real Macbeth.He may stand any where but Erik Will hear Midnight's Thoughts like "I Casted a Good Illusion On Erik" and Erik Will understand "So You are casting an illusion on me". Erik's Hearing Range is Long He Will be able To Hear Macbeth's Thoughts from Far Away.

 

[BluePegasus]

He Will Hear Thoughts From Real Macbeth.He may stand any where but Erik Will hear Midnight's Thoughts like "I Casted a Good Illusion On Erik" and Erik Will understand "So You are casting an illusion on me". Erik's Hearing Range is Long He Will be able To Hear Macbeth's Thoughts from Far Away.

Midnight is not in his illusion so he can't hear him.

 

[Arjuna]

Midnight is not in his illusion so he can't hear him.

The Illusion Will not Come out of Thin Air.Macbeth has to be There To Cast It.Erik will Hear "Real Macbeth's" Thoughts.So How will The Argument Will Work When He Will Hear Real Macbeth's Thoughts Who unlike His Illusions Will Have Thoughts.Fine If You don't accept This Argument Then Erik Will Close His Eyes and Rely On His Hearing from the beginning of The Fight To Defeat Macbeth.

 

[Doughboy]

Cobra high diff. Midnight's True Nightmare and Reflector are legit, but Cobra's sound magic is even more legit. He'll figure a way around it and poison him back to sleep

 

[sharkai]

Midnight wins mid diff
Cobra and racer and hot eye were overall equal. And they were scared of midnight
Everyone was scared of midnight other than brain, and that was only because midnight listened to him. And going by words of mouth, midnight was stronger than brain

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 7, 2016, Original Post Date: Sep 7, 2016 ---

Cobra can use The Same Method which Natsu used to defeat Midnight in The Key of The Starry Arc.Don't call it Non-Canon Mashima himself said that This is Canon.As We have Seen Midnight's Reflector has some drawbacks.

I think he said that starry arc did happen but fairy tail members weren't involved.
In that filler arc midnight went down tiers and cobra was basically gildarts tier.

 

[Nemispelled]

Honestly, this one is way too tough to call.

I'm going to have to go with a tie for this match. Midnight seems to have the edge when it comes to defensive capabilities. But Cobra probably has the advantage when it comes to offensive feats.

Either way, I think both are formidable opponents when it comes to the Oracion Seis.

 

[Sevently]

Midnight high diff