Discussion Mokushiroku no Yonkishi by Suzuki Nakaba

Do you think Sin is really 3000 years old?

  • Yes.

  • No.


Results are only viewable after voting.

Tristan

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2013
Messages
2,016
Reaction score
1,842
Country
Germany
For Tristan I've always seen him going to be a far far upgraded Version of 4C Maelstrarossa but with complete control over his mind, body and powers @sobreno
Tristan is a being born from Darkness and Light, so it goes without saying that he will be able to use both elements. What @sobreno was wondering about is Tristan's innate magic. Personally, I think that a magic which is based on the concept of "inversion" like "The Ruler" and "Full Counter" would nicely fit his dual, paradoxical nature. You can read about it HERE: (they listed DK among its users)
 

OtakuFreak

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Nov 20, 2017
Messages
4,476
Reaction score
9,064
Age
21
Country
Fun Forum
I'm a little late to the party, but that Q&A saying high-level ark spells can destroy souls as well as physical bodies is really interesting.

Remember how demons eating the souls of others and preventing reincarnation was seen as one of the most criminal things to do? Now the archangels and Bloody-Eli look even more evil LMFAO
 

Samael Morningstar

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Dec 15, 2018
Messages
3,882
Reaction score
3,939
Age
20
Gender
Male
Country
India
Tristan is a being born from Darkness and Light, so it goes without saying that he will be able to use both elements. What @sobreno was wondering about is Tristan's innate magic. Personally, I think that a magic which is based on the concept of "inversion" like "The Ruler" and "Full Counter" would nicely fit his dual, paradoxical nature. You can read about it HERE: (they listed DK among its users)
Now that you talk of it, how about him getting an similar ability to that of Daemon's(the new kid from boruto)
 

sobreno

Registered User
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Joined
Dec 20, 2017
Messages
5,254
Reaction score
2,915
Country
Djibouti
Now that you talk of it, how about him getting an similar ability to that of Daemon's(the new kid from boruto)
That ability is too overkill to have for Tristan or any other characters of the 4 Knights.

Tho, I wonder if it is more broken than the potential of Hope.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

If it's Gilthunder then the title of the next chapter would just be referring to Percival. Rather than looking at it as a lightning attack think of it as Gil blitzing around while covered in lightning and using his physical strength to demolish the monsters. The house monster is being sliced in half by some kind of energy coming from below him, so it looks more like he was cut than hit by an ordinary projectile.

That said, I think Tristan is the more likely option. As I mentioned earlier, the mystery of the arrow still hasn't been resolved. Tristan in the Arthurian legends is known for using a bow that never misses its target, so he has always been a strong candidate for explaining the arrow. It's possible that it could have just been a gag similar to when Percival accidentally gave Donny a haircut, but I feel like that would have been addressed after the fight if there was nothing more to it.


Good catch. I have to wonder what the significance of that was. The most straightforward interpretation would be that the mysterious benefactor is somehow connected to the moon, either him powering up because of the moon kind of like a reverse Escanor or the moon itself somehow responding to the benefactor's power. If the benefactor is Tristan then it could also be vaguely hinting at the duality of his existence. Where can you find a better balance of light and dark than during a full moon at midnight? If we instead take those panels more figuratively, then they could simply be visually depicting the tides of the battle turning as the good guys gain more ground.
NNT was more focused on power level and overcoming your opponents with more raw power (aka higher PLs), that is why it was predictable and redundant, that was the age of Light and Darkness.

I expect that MNYK will take (not completely but a little bit) the Jojo or HxH approach, with enemies having more hax powers than just raw powers in the age of Chaos, who is basically a being who can control and twist reality itself.

For defeating them, we will need the right character with the right ability or strategy to take them down, which will more interesting to read.

Humans with the right broken hax ability that Nakaba can give them via Chaos shenanigan (items or bestowal abilities), in the right scenario (a well-balanced hax ability need conditions to use it otherwise it is a Deus ex machina), can defeat top tier sins like Mel, Ban, or King with their crazy raw powers compared to just Humans. And that will make more sense and bring back the tension because the fight can go anywhere than the predictable: Mel is the strongest Demon, what the heck those humans HKs hope to accomplish Nakaba?

It was already established that the Humans race, although the weakest race overall in raw magic/physical power and lifespan, is the closest to Chaos.

Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw manga authors understood it. That is why their battles look more like HxH than the usual shonen battle like the Big 3 although Bleach at the last arc changed it.
--- Double Post Merged, ---

Tristan is a being born from Darkness and Light, so it goes without saying that he will be able to use both elements. What @sobreno was wondering about is Tristan's innate magic. Personally, I think that a magic which is based on the concept of "inversion" like "The Ruler" and "Full Counter" would nicely fit his dual, paradoxical nature. You can read about it HERE: (they listed DK among its users)
Now that I think about it, Percival's power is literally Varghese's belief toward his own grandson and the fact that he is his "hope".

About Tristan, Meliodas said to him that "his future is ever-expanding, like the sky".

I wonder if it will a hint to his future innate ability. :XD
 
Last edited:

Meliodaf

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 11, 2016
Messages
2,110
Reaction score
3,157
Gender
Male
Country
United States
Now that you talk of it, how about him getting an similar ability to that of Daemon's(the new kid from boruto)
I hate it in Boruto. I hope nothing of the sort finds it’s way into this manga
 

kkck

Waifu Slayer
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Joined
Sep 3, 2007
Messages
38,242
Reaction score
18,378
Gender
Hidden
Country
Fire Nation
The chapter made a big deal out of seeing ironside's face... But it seems weird to showcase it just because he sort of looks like his parent? Am I missing something here?
 

Demonspeed

Promised Successor
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
29,613
Reaction score
34,601
Gender
Male
Country
France
The chapter made a big deal out of seeing ironside's face... But it seems weird to showcase it just because he sort of looks like his parent? Am I missing something here?
Dramatic effect.

Also I guess those who thought he was Death Pierce or another NNT character realized they were wrong.
 

HereNThere

Redguard Sniper
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Mangahelper
Joined
Jul 8, 2009
Messages
7,083
Reaction score
9,890
Gender
Male
Country
United States
Trying to figure out the abilities of the remaining three is going to be a task, mainly because thinking of the thematic opposites of the "Calamity" they represent is pretty hard.

The only one you can guess for sure is probably Lancelot, assuming he is the one who represent War going by the silhouette. Love/Peace/Harmony/Inaction would the thematic opposite of War. But there are several avenues in which that could take, a few of which having already been used in NNT. But it's going to need to be something that isn't broken immediately, can be developed, and, basically, fun to produce fights out of because they are going to be used by kids who, according to Nakaba, are going to be starting out weaker and built from the ground up.

Estarossa's Love and DK's The Ruler are not only broken but just boring in terms of choreography because their whole thing is to make something not work. And they had work arounds to not even be considered whenever they were fought.

So, basically, when it comes to theorizing, try to keep in mind it needs to be something that can be strong, yet fun and versatile for fights. Like Percy's Hope.
 

Samael Morningstar

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Dec 15, 2018
Messages
3,882
Reaction score
3,939
Age
20
Gender
Male
Country
India
@Tristan @sobreno yeah maybe that might be an overkill but honestly that's the best ability he can inherit for now since DK's ability is inversion and Mel's signature attack being full counter so it should be on steroids lol

Either that ability or not we need these guys to have some broken haxxes and not just some flashy big blast attacks cause the supposed opponent this time itself is a busted dude
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

I hate it in Boruto. I hope nothing of the sort finds it’s way into this manga
Yoo, are you one of those toxic borito haters?
 

Vortigern

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
Jan 25, 2021
Messages
177
Reaction score
562
Age
26
Country
Finland
Trying to figure out the abilities of the remaining three is going to be a task, mainly because thinking of the thematic opposites of the "Calamity" they represent is pretty hard.

The only one you can guess for sure is probably Lancelot, assuming he is the one who represent War going by the silhouette. Love/Peace/Harmony/Inaction would the thematic opposite of War. But there are several avenues in which that could take, a few of which having already been used in NNT. But it's going to need to be something that isn't broken immediately, can be developed, and, basically, fun to produce fights out of because they are going to be used by kids who, according to Nakaba, are going to be starting out weaker and built from the ground up.

Estarossa's Love and DK's The Ruler are not only broken but just boring in terms of choreography because their whole thing is to make something not work. And they had work arounds to not even be considered whenever they were fought.

So, basically, when it comes to theorizing, try to keep in mind it needs to be something that can be strong, yet fun and versatile for fights. Like Percy's Hope.
I doubt the other Knights are going to have abilities that are the thematic opposites of their titles. Not only would that be repetitive, but I'm not even so sure that Hope really is the opposite of Death in the first place. This scenario also doesn't really enable any tangible speculation, because nothing about the concept of Hope makes you think of energy swords or mini golems. The versatility of Hope is only loosely connected to the central idea that the magic gets its name from.

The very concept of versatility is actually a tricky one, because Nakaba is going for this approach that magic can be classified into distinct categories, with Hero type being the all in one type. I don't think the other Knights will necessarily have special Hero type magic similar to Percival, because that's a pretty good way to make the MC stand out more as the leader of the group. Percival desperately needs of some sort of an ace in the hole considering that he's a human while Tristan and Lancelot are literal demigods descended from races much stronger than humans. They should be quite a bit stronger than Percival simply due to their base stats, in addition to having clan powers that give them versatility outside of their individual magic powers. Lancelot can already read hearts and I'd assume he will eventually learn to fly and perhaps also to transform. Tristan apparently possesses both light and darkness, which (unless something has changed due to his nephilim nature) means Ark spells, Darkness spells, healing, regeneration, flight, hellfire, mind control and whatever else in addition to the eventual Sacred Treasure with its own magic. His arsenal is gigantic, so I would be very hesitant to throw in some kind of conceptual powers on top of everything else.

I think a better approach would be to try and balance out the Knights somehow. What kind of abilities should they possess in order for every member to have a distinct role, fighting style and visual presentation, while also being neither significantly above or below the others in terms of power and usefulness?
  1. Percival has his conceptual power along with all the energy manipulation stuff and he's also in possession of at least three magic items with their own minor abilities.
  2. Tristan has the best genes and huge versatility, so his personal ability should be relatively limited. Perhaps something in a similar vein to his his father's unnamed destruction magic which basically only does one thing but really well.
  3. Lancelot is more of a question mark so far, but Ban was always primarily a physical fighter with an emphasis on speed, which the addition of fairy wings would probably enhance even further. Lancelot's personality was a bit more cheeky in the one-shot, especially when dealing with the merchant, so he's probably the best candidate among the Knights to have some kind of a trickster ability similar to Ban's Snatch. He probably needs some extra power as well, which could come from him being raised by the Lady of the Lake. In the legends, the Lady of the Lake gives Lancelot a whole bunch of enchanted items(a ring, a lance, a sword, a tent and a mirror) which sound like a decent option, as long as Nakaba is careful to avoid creating too much overlap between those items and the ones Percival has. Alternatively, her role as the Priestess of Chaos coupled with Lancelot's new title of the Prince of the Lake could mean he's now closely connected to Chaos and/or the magic lake. Plenty of power to draw from in there, which he will probably need in order to be able to match Tristan's superior demigod heritage.
  4. The last Knight is still a mystery so it's not very fruitful to comment on that, but if turns out to be Gawain then things should be relatively straightforward. I just hope Nakaba has the sense to mix things up a bit if he plans to reuse the same power with another main character.
 

Demonspeed

Promised Successor
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
29,613
Reaction score
34,601
Gender
Male
Country
France
Yeah I don't believe in the theme is that they are getting abilities opposite to their title. At best we can speculate about Tristan's ability to use Ark and PoD. But guessing their Magic isn't really possible.
 

Tristan

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2013
Messages
2,016
Reaction score
1,842
Country
Germany
Now that I think about it, Percival's power is literally Varghese's belief toward his own grandson and the fact that he is his "hope".

About Tristan, Meliodas said to him that "his future is ever-expanding, like the sky".

I wonder if it will a hint to his future innate ability. :XD
You're right, I didn't take notice of it at first:

As you said, that quote about Tristan's future is at the core of the last chapter, since it literally was its title: "Chapte 346: Like that Sky".
I was thinking what power/ability could fit this imagery of [your future is ever-expanding (Endless 無限 in Kanji) like that Sky] and the first thing that came to my mind is Satoru Gojo's "Limitless"; an ability which allows him to manipulate space, because the kanji of "sky" can also refer to the "void" & "empty":
 
Last edited:

Demonspeed

Promised Successor
神のごとし / Kami no Gotoshi / Godlike
Global Moderator
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
29,613
Reaction score
34,601
Gender
Male
Country
France
Added a poll.

For Tristan's Magic I hope it'll be the same or similar to Meliodas's unrevealed Magic. The fact that it hasn't been revealed annoyed me so it'd be nice to see it in action through his son.

Hard for me to imagine anyone having a Magic more versatile than Percival's. Even when I compare it to NNT characters there is nothing which comes to mind.

Besides Arthur of course's, but he is a reality warper.
 
Last edited:

Valhalla

ᛏᚺᛖ ᚹᚺᛁᛏᛖ ᚹᛟᛚᚠ ᛟᚠ ᚷᛖᚱᛟᚡᛟ
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 27, 2016
Messages
1,541
Reaction score
6,526
Gender
Male
Country
Winterfell
Added a poll.

For Tristan's Magic I hope it'll be the same or similar to Meliodas's unrevealed Magic. The fact that it hasn't been revealed revealed annoyed me so it'd be nice to see it in action through his son.

Hard for me to imagine anyone having a Magic more versatile than Percival's. Even when I compare it to NNT characters there is nothing which comes to mind.

Besides Arthur of course's, but he is a reality warper.
My knowledge of the Nephilim race is limited. I know that in the bible they are hybrids from angels and humans.
But i do know about the Nephalem from the Diablo series, which is more close to what Nakaba did with Tristan.
They are hybrids that originate from the angel Inarius and the demon Lilith, and they are the most powerful beings in the verse, to the point of being almost gods. At least they have that potential.
The strongest of the Nephalem in the story is so powerful that he can control and manipulate matter and space, and can destroy entire dimensions if fully unleashed. The Nepahlem are basically chaos, a union of dark and light. Truly a power befitting a knight of the Apocalypse.
Interested to see how far Tristan goes.

Whats also interesting, Nakaba did already some Diablo stuff with the archangel Mael. And even the story about the eternal conflict between angels and demons is kinda similar, only not as dark as the Diablo story. I wont be surprised if Nakaba actually takes his inspiration from that franchise. If so, Tristan has the potential to be op af, far beyond Mel and Eli.
 
Last edited:

HereNThere

Redguard Sniper
MH中毒 / MH Chuudoku / MH Addicted
Mangahelper
Joined
Jul 8, 2009
Messages
7,083
Reaction score
9,890
Gender
Male
Country
United States
I doubt the other Knights are going to have abilities that are the thematic opposites of their titles.
I really should've said thematically relevant rather than completely opposite.

While "Hope" isn't being weaponized directly, Percy's power is fueled by the concept. And I do believe that Nakaba will be juxtaposing Hope and Death in regards to Percival's character. Similar to how he did with the Sins and their Magic.

Like, I view Disaster as an extension of the idea of Sloth. It doesn't have any direct connotations, but the idea is that he's basically able to make something that's relatively inert or inactive, explode with activity.

When I say versatility, I more so mean from a narrative stand point. Abilities that can easily written in a bunch of different Shounen Battle situations. Aside from Gowther, who had to be nerfed as the series progressed, the Sins could basically be placed into any combat situation and the fight could be choreographed around their abilities in a fun way.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure protags are another example of what I mean versatile. Fun abilities that can be written around, no matter the confrontation.

As for Percy, no idea if he'll be a human or something more. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm thinking he might have an unknown element to his parentage. His level of power at his age seems a bit too much going by the humans we've seen.

That said, I do imagine Tristan and Lance will be physically more capable than Percy. Tristan definitely got sword training from his pops and Jericho (and the Lady of the Lake potentially) took care of Lance.

Definitely agree that balance/dynamic of the group is also important in thinking up their abilities.

I'm not sure if Tristan will have PoD as that will be rather similar to Percy's aura in terms of use. And I really hope he doesn't have anything related to Mel's unknown instant win magic. I think he'll lean more towards his Mom in magic. Mainly because, as I've explained with my theory, I think that would be juxtaposed with his potential role as Pestilence. He'll be a physical monster with a deceptively kind magic.

Lancelot is definitely leaning towards Ban. Nakaba will always have that tall, lanky, athletic character in his stories and I think Lance will follow suit. And I don't see him flying with that being in the cards. But, if he's War, then I don't see him having that tricky if an ability. I think he'll probably have the more straightforward power that leans offensive compared to his companions. But he'll probably use it in a tricky way. And if things are kept in line with the myth, he should probably be the most skilled fighter among the group.

And Famine? Yeah, no idea.
 

Rizaadxn

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2020
Messages
497
Reaction score
603
Age
18
Country
United Kingdom
All I wish for is no passive abilities like the DK's magic or the Commandments. It's blatantly clear that Nakaba doesn't know how to handle such powers and at some point in time they're just made entirely redundant.
 

Meliodaf

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 11, 2016
Messages
2,110
Reaction score
3,157
Gender
Male
Country
United States
Percival was headed toward Liones and Tristan is the prince of Liones in addition to being the son of the previous main character. It’s most likely him.My guess is definitely someone related to Meliodas.

Although it would be cool if it was Howzer, Guila and Gil sent investigate the chaos.

@Tristan @sobreno yeah maybe that might be an overkill but honestly that's the best ability he can inherit for now since DK's ability is inversion and Mel's signature attack being full counter so it should be on steroids lol

Either that ability or not we need these guys to have some broken haxxes and not just some flashy big blast attacks cause the supposed opponent this time itself is a busted dude
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---



Yoo, are you one of those toxic borito haters?
Nah, for the most part I dislike it in silence and dont keep up with it.If others like it, they’re free to enjoy it.But I definitely don’t want that ability here. It sounds like new Sunshine
 

Undina

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Jul 31, 2016
Messages
2,745
Reaction score
4,010
Country
Romania
I'm a little late to the party, but that Q&A saying high-level ark spells can destroy souls as well as physical bodies is really interesting.

Remember how demons eating the souls of others and preventing reincarnation was seen as one of the most criminal things to do? Now the archangels and Bloody-Eli look even more evil LMFAO
Hmm, so the GC were the source of those shamanic elemental Spirits, lol...Don't mind me, just got a memory refresher on why a certain character from Shaman King still earns some hate...same reason as what Ark can do to souls...

Surprised that most people think it will be someone else from the previous work, did you guys discuss Nanashi? Only got to skim through the recent post pages so I'm not entirely sure if he was a more obscure option.
 
Top