Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 190 Spoilers & Discussion

[Demonspeed]

Not really because if Gawain by overcoming his Invincible ability. Balin is strong sure but that mainly comes from his invincibility ability. So when Gawain finds out to damage him and overcome it he loses a lot of his power.

He is still pretty strong and skilled. He can hurt Gawain even at 80% with his fists and kicks. He is a monster.

 

[Yakkun]

Speaking of which, if we compare Balin to NNT levels of power he should comfortably sit somewhere around Drole's and Gloxinias level, which is insane for a human

 

[ShadowHeart]

He is still pretty strong and skilled. He can hurt Gawain even at 80% with his fists and kicks. He is a monster.

Yeah but if he didn't have that invincibility ability. Gawain might already knocked him out with 80% of her power.

 

[The Knight of War]

Gawain will lose.
Tristan will win against Balin.
The final will be between Percival and Tristan.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Gawain will lose.
Tristan will win against Balin.
The final will be between Percival and Tristan.

No she won't and Gawain beat Tristan too

 

[kingRoXaS]

Such a "lively" discussion going won lol

 

[Vortigern]

Is this really still possible? Rhitta is supposed to absorb the heat that comes off the user's body during the day, but Dawn directly transforms, converts, and then stores the heat from the sun. So there would be no heat emanating from Gawain's body to be absorbed by Rhitta (unless Gawain charges it herself).

Rhitta was made especially for Escanor and Sunshine. In Gawain's hands it's just a quality weapon without any special power. Otherwise i think she would have summoned it against TB and used Charge and Fire.

I still believe Gawain will have her own ST.

The volume extras here mentioned that the sword has the ability to store the power of the sun. I suppose that could be interpreted as it storing the heat of the actual sun, but given that the weapon is literally just a fragment of Escanor's axe and shares the same ability to fly to the user I think it would make sense for the energy storage property to be the same one as well. You are correct that Rhitta was designed for Escanor in mind and that it isn't the ideal weapon for Gawain, which is all the more reason for her to get an upgrade. With the reveal that Beltreipe is Daymond and that he seems to be unconsciously reacting to Rhitta, I think it's possible that he could end up destroying the sword during his final fight with Gawain. This way the end of that duel would simultaneously involve Daymond finally getting over his brother and Gawain finally stepping out of her predecessor's shadow. It has a nice ring to it.

I reread the vampire side chapters and the vampire king didn't do what you mentioned, all he did was try to cover Escanor (only) with "impurity" (which seems to be a kind of dark attack that destroys the body, as we see it destroys the body of a mouse as soon as it touches it)

Well you might want to give it another go because the vampire king mentions his darkness envelope in response to Escanor's comment about morning:

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The same thing is also alluded to by Merlin during the meeting with the holy knights earlier when she mentions that Edinburgh is covered in darkness, and we can later see the envelope coming undone when the castle suddenly becomes very bright after Escanor defeats his foe. The point of this technique is to protect the vampires from sunlight since they are vulnerable to it. It's different from the attack you're talking about.

Your question is similar to asking why the Sinner didn't use "full counter" on Mael's attack and your answer has two possibilities, either the Sinner can't use Chandler's abilities even though the latter is half of him or the sinner is an idiot

I think Mael will not be able to use Sunshine too if he inside "true night"

The Original Demon should have been able to use the Darkness spell because he identified it as belonging to him when it was broken. This is notable considering that when Chandler and Cusack woke up after their defeat they mentioned that they were mostly unconscious while fused together. Cusack's consciousness did briefly resurface at one point just before the Original Demon charged Mael and got nuked, which could perhaps explain why the demon acted so foolishly there. He wasn't in his right mind at the time.

I think it would make sense for Mael to be able to dispel the artificial night even from the inside given that he was willing to get close to the Original Demon despite the risk of the latter reactivating the Darkness spell. If all else fails Mael could always just do the same thing Escanor did during the Great Fight Festival and briefly activate Sunshine via a mental image instead of the real sun.

Percival can't possibly lose to Diodra. Balin VS Diodra would be extremely one sided. Even if Despair can reflect damage, it'll be useless since Invincible cancels attacks. Diodra's fighting skills are bad, he wouldn't be able to do anything.

I'm not so sure that Invincible would cancel the effect of Diodra's magic since Despair isn't really an attack. In terms of magic types you could think of the damage reflection as shifting-type magic that swaps Diodra's condition with that of his attacker. If Diodra is injured then the same injury manifests on the attacker's body and if Diodra is poisoned then the effect of the poison manifests in the attacker's body. Invincible keeps Balin from taking damage, but it's not clear if it could block a status swap like that. Compare to how Invasion managed to bypass The Ruler due to the former not being classified as either an attack or healing.

No she won't and Gawain beat Tristan too

My money is on the tournament being interrupted during that fight. With Gawain having burnt through some of her reserves it's plausible that Tristan would have the upper hand in that encounter, until Isolde goes to confront the second Isolde and gets her to turn off the memory magic just as Tristan is about to hurt Gawain. When Tristan regains his memories he'll become hostile towards Beltreipe, thus breaking the effect of the magic ring and causing Beltreipe to realize what's going on. Three KotA vs one Perils would probably be too lopsided so I expect Ironside to show up as a spectator so that Percival can fight him for a bit. I guess Pellegarde could also be present to give Gowther something to do. They last met only a few days ago, which means Gowther would be able to recognize that something weird has happened and connect it to the Chaos influence that he has already observed inside Beltreipe's mind.

I know some people want a Percival vs Tristan fight because of how Tristan reacted to Percival's death, but such a clash would be pointless unless Tristan has his memories back, in which case he would prioritize defeating Beltreipe and escaping Annwfyn over taking his anger out on Percy. If they're going to fight it should happen later, perhaps after Tristan has obtained his ST since he needs a buff to keep up with the other KotA.

 

[Tristan]

perhaps after Tristan has obtained his ST since he needs a buff to keep up with the other KotA.

Tristan has to awaken his innate magic first, then we see about him getting a ST.

 

[Demonspeed]

Tristan has to awaken his innate magic first, then we see about him getting a ST.

If Tristan hasn't awakened his Magic already then he never will.

 

[kingRoXaS]

If Tristan hasn't awakened his Magic already then he never will.

Today I found myself thinking abou that, what Nova is, what it does and what is Meliodas inmate magic lol

 

[Rikudou King]

Not really because if Gawain by overcoming his Invincible ability. Balin is strong sure but that mainly comes from his invincibility ability. So when Gawain finds out to damage him and overcome it he loses a lot of his power.

Maybe, but odds are whatever Gawain does would probably be unique to her and not easily repeatable by others, otherwise someone would have discovered it before now. Even if it' ends up something that can be done easily by others, Balin will now be aware of it and likely be able to develop a counter to it. So even if he's not the monster he's currently is, he will still likely be as OP as the KotA currently are.

 

[Tristan]

Today I found myself thinking abou that, what Nova is, what it does and what is Meliodas inmate magic lol

If Tristan did really awaken his magic, then you wouldn't see people asking such basic questions, @Demonspeed

 

[Yakkun]

If Tristan did really awaken his magic, then you wouldn't see people asking such basic questions, @Demonspeed

This means nothing. People have wondered the same things about Lancelot's magic and it is evident he has it awakened. Tristan is a special case due to current memory loss. Once that is gone I'm sure he will use Nova just fine

 

[Tristan]

This means nothing. People have wondered the same things about Lancelot's magic and it is evident he has it awakened. Tristan is a special case due to current memory loss. Once that is gone I'm sure he will use Nova just fine

It's evident in Lancelot's case because he's already reached higher level (Sins level or maybe even higher). Plus, Lancelot showed many **unexplained** feats that couldn't be attributed to his Fairy arsenal, which clearly indicates that those feats belong to "Hazy Moon".
In Tristan's case, we see the total opposite. We've seen how he was pressed and defeated by Schwarz, and all he used was some generic demon and goddess techniques. Tell us when did Tristan EVER show one feat that wasn't standard Ark / Darkness-based?

 

[Rey151203]

It's evident in Lancelot's case because he's already reached higher level (Sins level or maybe even higher). Plus, Lancelot showed many **unexplained** feats that couldn't be attributed to his Fairy arsenal, which clearly indicates that those feats belong to "Hazy Moon".
In Tristan's case, we see the total opposite. We've seen how he was pressed and defeated against Schwarz, and all he used was some generic demon and goddess techniques. Tell us when did Tristan EVER show one feat that wasn't standard Ark / Darkness-based?

Nova is the Absorption and explosion of 2 stars, Tristan's innate magic will awaken thanks to his 2 opposing magics, Annihilation is the closest he has come to his magic which will be based on the cosmic phenomenon Nova, which uses 2 stars but exchange stars for light and darkness

 

[Tristan]

Nova is the Absorption and explosion of 2 stars, Tristan's innate magic will awaken thanks to his 2 opposing magics, Annihilation is the closest he has come to his magic which will be based on the cosmic phenomenon Nova, which uses 2 stars but exchange stars for light and darkness

I reckon it may be something similar to how "Nova" was used in Psyren manga:

Nova

Nova (ノヴァ, Nova) is the final and hidden pisonic power, the fourth PSI, achieved from combining the three power PSI: Rise, Burst, and Trance; allowing one to transcend human limits, merging with their PSI, first discovered by Asuka Yoshina. At some point, in one of the altered futures, having...

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It could be awakened when Tristan finally achieves complete Nephilim state by controlling and harmonizing his Demon and Goddess sides.
"Nova" could be the Overarching name of a Nephilim's unique abilities / techniques, similar to how "Ark" is for the goddesses.

 

[Demonspeed]

Tristan is 18, son of Meliodas and Elizabeth. He has been training for years. There is no way he hasn't awakened his Magic already. Dawn was explained in this very chapter and Gawain has been there for a while.

 

[Tristan]

Tristan is 18, son of Meliodas and Elizabeth. He has been training for years. There is no way he hasn't awakened his Magic already. Dawn was explained in this very chapter and Gawain has been there for a while.

We've seen Dawn at play since Gawain's first appearance when she saved Isolde from that Pellegard's mayhem. After that, we kept seeing her using it in almost every fight.
My question is simple: if Tristan has already awakened his innate magic as you claim, then mention just ONE instance where he used a power /technique that's not Ark-based or Darkness-based ... just ONE!

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Tristan is 18, son of Meliodas and Elizabeth. He has been training for years.

He has been training for years, but ironically, he can barely control his DM for a meagre 3 minutes period . If he can't even control his Demon side alone even now, do you think he can really withstand / control bringing the opposite sides (Dark & Light) together internally as a Nephelim??

 

[Demonspeed]

We've seen Dawn at play since Gawain's first appearance when she saved Isolde from that Pellegard's mayhem. After that, we kept seeing her using it in almost every fight.
My question is simple: if Tristan has already awakened his innate magic as you claim, then mention just ONE instance where he used a power /technique that's not Ark-based or Darkness-based ... just ONE!

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He has been training for years, but ironically, he can barely control his DM for a meagre 3 minutes period . If he can't even control his Demon side alone even now, do you think he can really withstand / control bringing the opposite sides (Dark & Light) together internally as a Nephelim??

Meliodas himself only managed to control his Demon powers in NnT. What tells you that Nova is unrelated to his Demon and Ark powers? Nothing. Elizabeth herself has been using Goddess Magic all the time and it turned out her Magic was Super Healing, which should buff all her Healing Spells naturally. His techniques, conveniently have star/sky names.

Do you think it makes sense for someone like Tristan to have his Innate Magic dormant for 18 whole years? I don't.

 

[Redpercy]

Well you might want to give it another go because the vampire king mentions his darkness envelope in response to Escanor's comment about morning

My fault for reading Chapter 3 directly.

It seems you're right about that.

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Tell us when did Tristan EVER show one feat that wasn't standard Ark / Darkness-based?

There's a strong possibility that Nova itself is standard Arc/darkness-based.

Zeldris's innate magic, the Ominous Nebula, is based on his manipulation of his own dark magic.

And Elizabeth's innate magic, super-healing, itself is derived from her Arc powers.

He has been training for years, but ironically, he can barely control his DM for a meagre 3 minutes period .

Tristan has a psychological problem with his demon magic, and we already know from the previous trailer how difficult it is to control dark magic and its impact on its owner's mental powers.

So your exemple isn't really good.