Voting Round 2 Natsu Dragneel vs. Reinhard van Astrea

[Demonspeed]

Battle Phase

• You are allowed to vote for one champion.
• After 3 days, the champion with the most votes will proceed into the next round.
• In case of a tie, a staff pick will break it.
• There will be no additional restrictions. A character will have access to all of his/her abilities according to the lore.

 

[Arjuna]

In pure raw power I think Natsu should be higher as his 7DS form killed Acnologia(granted his power was most possibly halved between his Dragon form and Human form).Still Time Space Acnologia as far as I remember was stated to be able to destroy the "world".


But there again Reinhard is too haxy.I will wait to see arguments of both sides before voting.

 

[cracker]

Natsu effectively one-shot the final villain of a long running manga with a spirit bomb dragon punch, dafuq. The punch is straight deus ex machina. Natsu at his strongest is Natsu supported by his friends. Reinhard gets spirit bomb deus ex machina dragon punch.

In all fairness, Od Laguna stops supporting Reinherd because it would rather be friends with Natsu. Natsu is the new champion. Low diff.

 

[Demonspeed]

Voted Reinhard and I doubt I'll change later but we'll see.

Natsu has just fire and lightning plus Dragon Force, right? Don't see how he could beat the swordsman.

 

[cracker]

Voted Reinhard and I doubt I'll change later but we'll see.

Natsu has just fire and lightning plus Dragon Force, right? Don't see how he could be the swordsman.

deus ex machina spirit bomb dragon fire punch

 

[Demonspeed]

deus ex machina spirit bomb dragon fire punch

That's not really something I consider.

 

[cracker]

That's not really something I consider.

It's a feat lol, that's how he defeated the strongest villain in the manga. It sounds ridiculous because it was ridiculous.

 

[Demonspeed]

It's a feat lol, that's how he defeated the strongest villain in the manga. It sounds ridiculous because it was ridiculous.

I don't read FT but it just seems to be plot convenient writing. Is he still able to do that consistently in 100YQ? I doubt it. Acnologia isn't that strong to begin with and he doesn't have Reinhard's abilities. Natsu's punch can't allow him to ignore what Reinhard has.

 

[cracker]

I don't read FT but it just seems to be plot convenient writing. Is he still able to do that consistently in 100YQ? I doubt it. Acnologia isn't that strong to begin with and he doesn't have Reinhard's abilities. Natsu's punch can't allow him to ignore what Reinhard has.

I wasn't seriously defending Natsu. From a logical standpoint Reinhard would win.

But if they were to fight that's probably how Natsu would beat him. Since Natsu is a MC and Reinhard at the end of the day is just a secondary character. MC always find a way to triumphant even if it's plot convenient lol

 

[Lambu]

Only if Mashima himself wrote the battle would Natsu avoid being curbstomped here, and even then he doesnt have anything to harm the likes of Reinhard.

Bad writing is not a power

 

[desin24]

Only if Mashima himself wrote the battle would Natsu avoid being curbstomped here, and even then he doesnt have anything to harm the likes of Reinhard.

Bad writing is not a power

Can I use that last sentence as a signature?

 

[Lambu]

Can I use that last sentence as a signature?

Of course good sir

 

[GL_Nova]

Natsu

 

[SirSamuel016]

Musashi wins ez diff

 

[Blakestnight666]

Natsu is strong enough to destroy a small country sized opponent but Reinhard is walking hax machine.

I would give it to Reinhard because of his hax

 

[Seven777]

Natsu's fire randomly burns through time and ignores immunity to magic for some stupid reason, so there's that.

 

[Brandish μ]

Infinite power, immortality, invincibility, immunity... savage flames burns through those insignificant powers. Natsu just needs to channel the right emotions, and that spike in power will overcome whatever hax may exist. He has true hax.

 

[Nie Li]

Tbh Natsu did burn through time magic and through magic immunity with no explanation other than "he's Natsu".

 

[desin24]

I guess this is where the Stan Lee quote comes in about the winner being the one who the writer wants to win.

I'd argue that the point of this tournament is to use canon feats and statements (feats > statements) to extrapolate how a confrontation would play out between two chars. Natsu burning time magic because the story demands it is a canon feat even though it's inconsistent or nonsensical. In my assessment it still diminishes the feat when compared to a character that consistently shows immunity to pretty much anything.

 

[Brandish μ]

I guess this is where the Stan Lee quote comes in about the winner being the one who the writer wants to win.

I'd argue that the point of this tournament is to use canon feats and statements (feats > statements) to extrapolate how a confrontation would play out between two chars. Natsu burning time magic because the story demands it is a canon feat even though it's inconsistent or nonsensical. In my assessment it still diminishes the feat when compared to a character that consistently shows immunity to pretty much anything.

In FT, emotions can convert to ethernano, which is magic power.

Natsu is simply the best exponent of emotional power in the series. He is the "king".

To a point where his flames of savage emotions defeated the greatest wizard (buffed with infinite power, control of the dimension of time, and the curse of immortality) with ONE blow.

This is canon. And I understand your disbelief and equate it all to plot. But FT mechanics defy such presuppositions. People bash Erza for plot armour despite the very fact she wears some. With Natsu, he can achieve oneshot power over any character if emotive factors are high enough.