Final Natsu vs. Suzaku

Who wins?

  • Natsu Dragneel

    Votes: 34 65.4%
  • Suzaku

    Votes: 18 34.6%

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I am just considering all scenarios to specifically point out that regardless of what we consider Natsu wins. Whether Aldo's brain did contain all of Aldo's power or not , doesn't matter.

If Aldo's brain holds all of Aldo's power ? Well Natsu already destroyed him.

Aldo's brain merely draws power from Dragon Aldoron like the remaining seeds ? Natsu blew the hole through Dragon Aldoron , the original one who holds all the power. Natsu did the damage to equivalent of Dragon Aldoron in both cases.

Dragon Aldo can revive the god seeds cause he has power left within him to do so. As far as my stance on it is concerned , this statement itself disproves the notion that the god seeds held a significant portion of Aldoron's power. They didn't , cause Dragon Aldo has the power to revive all of them , and the seeds aren't even equally strong. Wolfen seed ( which was never defeated for that matter ) is leagues stronger than Metro and Gears , which are in turn tier above Doom which is literal fodder. If these equally affect Aldoron , then Aldoron is a literal joke and the story makes no sense. You know what makes more sense ? That the god seeds only draw power from Dragon Aldoron as their source and that they don't really share Aldo's power within themselves equally. So Dragon Aldoron should still have all the main power. He could use magic on Gajeel as well as all of FT while in his Dragon Form with the stalactite shaped wood on Gajeel and the thicket on remaining of FT. Aldo still holds the power. So Natsu ripping the hole through Dragon Aldo is a feat against his Dragon Form.

But even excluding my stance on it , even if Aldo's brain held all of Aldo's power , it doesn't matter , cause size means nothing if you have all the power. In Irene's case she specifically stated that going into Dragon Form increases her power level. Aldo outright gave us a statement stating the contrary , implying no increase of power level. Why should we believe his stats increased in Dragon form then ?

Again , reminder that Wolfen seed never went down. Only Metro , Gears and Doom were defeated.

No , Aldo's brain wasn't dead by then. Natsu could hear him pretty well and even responded. The hole blew in Dragon Aldoron before the brain died , so Natsu pretty much legit blew the hole in his Dragon form.

As for DF Natsu being millions of times stronger than normal Natsu , it is very much normal. Natsu is the MC. He is the one who is going to face Ignia , and we are 3 arcs in already into the story. If he isn't even at the level of a nerfed DG yet then how is he going to even remotely compare with Ignia ? There's not much time left now. In fact Natsu should've been at this level in the Alvarez arc already , we are late due to the garbage writing in the last arc. If you look at other series the MC being this strong is normal.
exactly u hit it right on the mark i also consider all scenarios as well we both know right now at their strongest natsu is the winner.
what suzaku did to base natsu isnt that impressive because other villains weaker than him has defeated/oneshot base natsu 2.
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Natsu wins. He was not resolved when he fought Suzaku and got one upoed just like he did againat Gajeel, Madmole, Wraith and Hakune.

Natsu once serious rolfstomps Suzaku into the ground. He jobbed against him just like he jobbed in a lot of fights in the 100YQ. Hell 50% of his battles have been in jobbing and then coming back to mop the floor with his opponets. Secondly Natsu does not need PoF to use DF. He never did. Once you can activate it without the need of an external boost, you can do it freely. He rarely uses the form bcs he does not need it against anyone but Top/God tiers.

Suzaku is not doing jack squat to Aldo or his main body. He couldn't even touch Selene in a casual state while Natsu went toe to toe with at least 50% Aldo. 50% Aldo >>>>>>> Casual Selene.

Natsu wins fairly easily. He actually gets nerfed half the time in the manga just so he doesn't fold lower threats like the DG, FT, and every other non God tier entity. The dude had trouble with likes of Gajeel while in Base yet that same base form was going blow to blow with Aldo.

Natsu has consistently put on DG level throughout the 100YQ while Suzaku has not and instead has actually been proven to be fodder to them ergo he is fodder to Natsu.
i agree with u about natsu not needing pof anymore to use DF but ill say he did vs mard geer i felt like when he fought fodder zeref it was the confirmation
 

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exactly u hit it right on the mark i also consider all scenarios as well we both know right now at their strongest natsu is the winner.
what suzaku did to base natsu isnt that impressive because other villains weaker than him has defeated/oneshot base natsu 2.
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i agree with u about natsu not needing pof anymore to use DF but ill say he did vs mard geer i felt like when he fought fodder zeref it was the confirmation
I see it more as him being strong enough to activate it, but he just didn't know how to and unconsciously did so bcs of his spike in emotions (which Ig you can say is PoF lol).
 

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Suzaku mops the floor with Natsu*

FT fans: Natsu wins

:XD
Don't you understand? It's Plot ! :3c:derp
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To be fair, neither Dragon God was taking either of them seriously. Aldoron was underestimating Natsu from the start while Selene was simply playing around, the only time Suzaku actually landed a (non-deliberate) hit on Selene was when was when he said Kurnugi's name and began using his style, this greatly surprised Selene as Kurnugi was her child, and Suzaku cut her cheek while her guard was down.


Not to mention, Selene seems to be much faster than Suzaku as she can easily dodge him, Suzaku was likely going as fast as he could as he seemed greatly shocked that she managed to dodge his strike.


As we now know, Kurnugi is Selene's child, he wasn't a good son according to her, but she still loved him, thus, the look of surprise on her face when her cheek was cut was most likely because Suzaku said her deceased child's name rather than him actually cutting her, and this was the only time Suzaku actually hit her when she didn't allow him to do so.

It also seems that Suzaku doesn't have the power to go against non Dragon God tier Dragons, as Selene called Suzaku out, she found it hard to believe that he was powerful enough to slay Kurnugi, which Suzaku confirmed, stating that a "True Dragon Eater" killed him.


From rereading the fight, it seems like Suzaku didn't get not one more strike on Selene after he cut her cheek, all he did was tank casual spells from her, we also know that she was likely holding back rather significantly as she downright laughed at the thought of a Human defeating her.


So, I highly doubt Selene was using anywhere close to her full power in that fight against Suzaku, and even then, he only hit her twice, the first one was because of her surprise at Kurnugi's name being brought up, and the second was deliberate, meanwhile, DF Natsu actually landed real hits against an on guard Aldoron.
Don't really want to address the entire thing at this point, since I've mostly said what I wanted to. We'll just go in circles debating how much/little Suzaku's feats post the cut on cheek meant

Just two things:
1. Do you think Suzaku really "lied" there? Doesn't seem like a character who lies, he's presented as a very honourable character, like the ideal samurais. To me, it seemed like Mashima himself was making up stuff on the spot. similar to how he made up stuff on the way, and screwed Mard and END

2. Suzaku was able to react to and counter casual Selene's attacks, while Natsu couldn't even perceive casual (all seeds intact) Aldo's attacks. This was before Selene started scheming, so no excuses here
Nerfed Aldo used his strongest on screen spell on base Natsu, a flurry of attacks, in which some were dodged, and some were tanked. It required like a hundred of those to take down base Natsu. While all Suzaku needed was a casual slash with Natsu couldn't even perceive.
What makes you think taking down this nerfed Aldo makes DF Natsu >>>>> Suzaku? Note, I'm not arguing whether DF Natsu is stronger or not, he could be. But I fail to see the reasoning which makes Suzaku a no diff material to DF Natsu
 

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Wraith mopped the floor with Natsu. Guess he is stronger than Aldoron.

Oh look Hakune mopped the floor with Natsu, guess she is stronger than Aldoron too.

Gajeel > Aldoron bcs Gajeel made Natsu lose most of his MP while Natsu post Aldoron still had his DF ready to go for another couple hits.

My oh my, people below actual God tier level manhandling Base Natsu yet after every arc he goes and fights the big baddie that would oneshot all these scrubs with Suzaku backing them up.

Suzaku -> Getting toyed with by Selene's baby magic
Suzaku's superior -> Against a casual palm swipe from Selene
Natsu -> taking blow after blow of a serious Aldo while in Base and kills him in DF

Moral of the story, Natsu is held back to keep up the status quo so tensions aren't diminished as soon as he steps on the battlefield. Suzaku is fodder to a DG, while Natsu can kill a DG therefore Suzaku is not on Natsu's level.
 

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Wraith mopped the floor with Natsu. Guess he is stronger than Aldoron.

Oh look Hakune mopped the floor with Natsu, guess she is stronger than Aldoron too.

Gajeel > Aldoron bcs Gajeel made Natsu lose most of his MP while Natsu post Aldoron still had his DF ready to go for another couple hits.

My oh my, people below actual God tier level manhandling Base Natsu yet after every arc he goes and fights the big baddie that would oneshot all these scrubs with Suzaku backing them up.

Suzaku -> Getting toyed with by Selene's baby magic
Suzaku's superior -> Against a casual palm swipe from Selene
Natsu -> taking blow after blow of a serious Aldo while in Base and kills him in DF

Moral of the story, Natsu is held back to keep up the status quo so tensions aren't diminished as soon as he steps on the battlefield. Suzaku is fodder to a DG, while Natsu can kill a DG therefore Suzaku is not on Natsu's level.
Hax, fodder in stats

Hax, fodder in stats

Natsu held back against Gajeel.
He recovered his MP on the way. Gajeel also got up to fight wolven seeds, horde grunts and Aldo in giant form. Exhausting MP and recovering them later is nothing new

Suzaku did with pure stats, unlike the other two who were fodders that did with cheat hax. While Suzaku was simply far superior to base Natsu, in speed and power
False equivalence

Did FAR better than Natsu against casual Aldo, who wasn't as strong as Selene
Yeah, and? Dragon Selene >>> human Selene.
Taking blow from heavily nerfed human Aldo, who woke up nerfed to begin with

DF Natsu can, a heavily nerfed DG.
Nobody is arguing Suzaku > DF Natsu at this point. But Suzaku >>> base Natsu

Not really an own you think it is
 

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Hax, fodder in stats

Hax, fodder in stats

Natsu held back against Gajeel.
He recovered his MP on the way. Gajeel also got up to fight wolven seeds, horde grunts and Aldo in giant form. Exhausting MP and recovering them later is nothing new

Suzaku did with pure stats, unlike the other two who were fodders that did with cheat hax. While Suzaku was simply far superior to base Natsu, in speed and power
False equivalence

Did FAR better than Natsu against casual Aldo, who wasn't as strong as Selene
Yeah, and? Dragon Selene >>> human Selene.
Taking blow from heavily nerfed human Aldo, who woke up nerfed to begin with

DF Natsu can, a heavily nerfed DG.
Nobody is arguing Suzaku > DF Natsu at this point. But Suzaku >>> base Natsu

Not really an own you think it is
Wraith used an explosion to win so no hax.

Didn't see hax help her much in the tournament :errr

He never stated so. On the other hand he was stated to hold back against Aldo until DF.

Nope, you have no actual proof that their human forms are weaker. Human Selene had the power of her Dragon form which was confirmed by Merc so their human forms are equal to their dragon forms.

Human Aldo = Dragon Aldo so moot point. Aldo literally stated he was only slightly weakened and Aldo even coming out of his coma was still above 50% of his power either way. Actually it never was even stated he was heavily nerfed when he came out of his coma, just that he was not at full power.

A DG that was easily 50% or above his power and serious versus a DG that was noted to be playing around and literally held back so she'd lose fight. We already seen how Suzaku's superior fared against her when she casually swatted him into pieces.

It's not. Two were toyed and fodderized by a DG while the other tanked, hurt, and killed a DG. There is no false equivalence.

It is since Natsu has been taken out by people who the DGs can fodderize and yet he is still able to actually kill one and is currently the only threat to them power wise.

Serious DG no matter the nerf >>>>> Selene who literally was playing around and faked her defeat lol. Georg was killed by a simple palm swipe, Natsu while in Base took several hits from a serious Aldo to the face and gut and then took thicket of arms which impaled him throughout his entire body. He didn't go down from any of that yet I'm supposed to believe he can actually go down from the likes of Wraith and Suzaku who are confirmed fodder to a DG. Suzaku is only stronger than jobber Natsu, a serious Natsu would total any fighter in this tournament which is obviously shown when he fights God Tiers versus when he fights high tiers.
 

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Natsu doesn't take time to go DF , he can do it instantaneously. Suzaku is not at the level he can blitz Natsu before he can react. Even if he does , Natsu can overpower his wounds by going into DF. He had gotten borderline KOed after getting skewered by that thicket but going into DF helped him overcome the pain. Suzaku could've prevented Natsu from going DF had he won against Selene but as of now he doesn't , he doesn't have the speed.
 

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Wraith used an explosion to win so no hax.

Didn't see hax help her much in the tournament :errr

He never stated so. On the other hand he was stated to hold back against Aldo until DF.

Nope, you have no actual proof that their human forms are weaker. Human Selene had the power of her Dragon form which was confirmed by Merc so their human forms are equal to their dragon forms.

Human Aldo = Dragon Aldo so moot point. Aldo literally stated he was only slightly weakened and Aldo even coming out of his coma was still above 50% of his power either way. Actually it never was even stated he was heavily nerfed when he came out of his coma, just that he was not at full power.

A DG that was easily 50% or above his power and serious versus a DG that was noted to be playing around and literally held back so she'd lose fight. We already seen how Suzaku's superior fared against her when she casually swatted him into pieces.

It's not. Two were toyed and fodderized by a DG while the other tanked, hurt, and killed a DG. There is no false equivalence.

It is since Natsu has been taken out by people who the DGs can fodderize and yet he is still able to actually kill one and is currently the only threat to them power wise.

Serious DG no matter the nerf >>>>> Selene who literally was playing around and faked her defeat lol. Georg was killed by a simple palm swipe, Natsu while in Base took several hits from a serious Aldo to the face and gut and then took thicket of arms which impaled him throughout his entire body. He didn't go down from any of that yet I'm supposed to believe he can actually go down from the likes of Wraith and Suzaku who are confirmed fodder to a DG? Suzaku is only stronger than jobber Natsu, a serious Natsu would total any fighter in this tournament which is obviously shown when he fights God Tiers.
It was an explosion that stole Natsu's soul, so yea hax

I agree, and voted for Hakune against Laxus

Natsu didn't even use FDKM against Gajeel, forget DF. How did he not hold back?
Yeah, he held back against Aldo in the sense that he didn't use DF, because he never uses DF until he deems someone irredeemable. So? It doesn't change the fact that casual human Aldo with all seeds intact was toying with serious base Natsu

Human Selene had the same MP without the combat stats.
Dragon Selene >> human Selene, in the same way dragon Eileen >> human Eileen. Considering they're both dragon in their "natural" state, who are assuming a human form. The transformation boosts are comparable

Dragon Aldo's physical power and dura >> human Aldo by his sheer size
Slightly weakened? Yeah, that's why base Natsu went from not even being able to perceive Aldo's attack, to not only perceive, but react and counter, and land blows on him as well.

50%? Yeah no, more like 20%, on top of waking up nerfed to begin with
Casual Selene > casual Aldo, because Aldo just woke up.
Suzaku was able to react and counter casual Selene's spells, while base Natsu couldn't even perceive Aldo's .
Suzaku one shot base Natsu with pure stats
Suzaku >>>> base Natsu
I'm not arguing Suzaku > DF Natsu, sooo

It isn't, since there is a difference between getting taken out by hax, vs straight up getting destroyed in combat
 

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Wraith and Hakune defeated Natsu due to their unorthodox and unique powers. Wraith is literally a spirit since he's already dead to begin with.
As a soul, he is an incorporeal being with no physical existence hence Natsu and his attacks couldn't touch him.

But Wraith's powers allows his attacks to connect with his foes.
By ripping out Natsu's soul, Wraith inadvertently gives Natsu the means to physically hit him. From there onwards, Wraith was fighting a losing battle because Natsu actually outclass him in traditional combat.

Hakune uses spiritual arts that Natsu had no prior knowledge of, and her powers enables her to 'freeze' any special magic or resistances her foes possess. As a result, Natsu couldn't use his flames to melt his way out as usual while Gray's own resistances to ice were rendered obsolete. It took Gray receiving a special enchantment from Wendy and using his wits to figure out changing the properties of his magic to counter Hakune's diamond effect. Then Gray beat her because his ice creations are more powerful.

On the other hand, Suzaku has not been seen to rely on any form of hax to beat his foes. He uses dragon slayer magic that Natsu is already very familiar with. He is a swordsman and that is essentially what Erza herself is too. He defeated them with purely his skill and physical attributes. And he didn't simply defeat the two of them. Suzaku casually leaves them both in a heap of bloody mess faster than the blink of an eye. They were critically wounded and out cold for a lengthy period of time before Wendy managed to heal them. It was as one-sided a battle as it possibly could be.

Suzaku's speed was at least as fast as God seed Aldo before the latter was weakened by the destruction of the other God seeds. However, unlike God seed Aldo, Suzaku's offensive strength could badly injure Natsu. There is a significant difference because none of God seed Aldo's attacks were keeping Natsu down despite visible effort on his end. Then we take into account how effortless Suzaku looked when he cut both Natsu and Erza down. The same Natsu who could take many hits from God seed Aldo, and the same Erza who took multiple attacks from RLD Laxus who could kill Spriggans for fun.
 

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Hax, fodder in stats

Hax, fodder in stats

Natsu held back against Gajeel.
He recovered his MP on the way. Gajeel also got up to fight wolven seeds, horde grunts and Aldo in giant form. Exhausting MP and recovering them later is nothing new

Suzaku did with pure stats, unlike the other two who were fodders that did with cheat hax. While Suzaku was simply far superior to base Natsu, in speed and power
False equivalence

Did FAR better than Natsu against casual Aldo, who wasn't as strong as Selene
Yeah, and? Dragon Selene >>> human Selene.
Taking blow from heavily nerfed human Aldo, who woke up nerfed to begin with

DF Natsu can, a heavily nerfed DG.
Nobody is arguing Suzaku > DF Natsu at this point. But Suzaku >>> base Natsu

Not really an own you think it is
It doesn’t matter if their stats are trash the fact that they down base natsu isn’t that impressive anymore. We have seen countless of ppl that defeated base natsu it’s like the norm.

suzuku>base natsu again doesn’t mean much

this is a fantasy tournament where u have to consider all scenarios also in this tournament your allow to kill meaning natsu can start off at DF from the jump and oneshot suzaku.
 

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It doesn’t matter if their stats are trash the fact that they down base natsu isn’t that impressive anymore. We have seen countless of ppl that defeated base natsu it’s like the norm.

suzuku>base natsu again doesn’t mean much

this is a fantasy tournament where u have to consider all scenarios also in this tournament your allow to kill meaning natsu can start off at DF from the jump and oneshot suzaku.
Without hax and pure overwhelming stats? I'd like to see when that happened. Usually he goes down to some cheat hax
The only other character who one shotted Natsu with pure stats was Future Rouge (to LFD Natsu), with rough silk. And we know how strong he was. Natsu needed AF powerup to compete, and admitted on screen prior to getting that powerup to Happy that he was too strong to face headon.
Suzaku did it casually within a second.

Suzaku >>>> base Natsu. You make it sound like it was close lol, no it wasn't

Suzaku one shots him in a second. Unless you think Natsu goes DF within a second, I don't see how this lasts.
I agree DF Natsu > Suzaku
 

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Wraith and Hakune defeated Natsu due to their unorthodox and unique powers. Wraith is literally a spirit since he's already dead to begin with.
As a soul, he is an incorporeal being with no physical existence hence Natsu and his attacks couldn't touch him.

But Wraith's powers allows his attacks to connect with his foes.
By ripping out Natsu's soul, Wraith inadvertently gives Natsu the means to physically hit him. From there onwards, Wraith was fighting a losing battle because Natsu actually outclass him in traditional combat.

Hakune uses spiritual arts that Natsu had no prior knowledge of, and her powers enables her to 'freeze' any special magic or resistances her foes possess. As a result, Natsu couldn't use his flames to melt his way out as usual while Gray's own resistances to ice were rendered obsolete. It took Gray receiving a special enchantment from Wendy and using his wits to figure out changing the properties of his magic to counter Hakune's diamond effect. Then Gray beat her because his ice creations are more powerful.

On the other hand, Suzaku has not been seen to rely on any form of hax to beat his foes. He uses dragon slayer magic that Natsu is already very familiar with. He is a swordsman and that is essentially what Erza herself is too. He defeated them with purely his skill and physical attributes. And he didn't simply defeat the two of them. Suzaku casually leaves them both in a heap of bloody mess faster than the blink of an eye. They were critically wounded and out cold for a lengthy period of time before Wendy managed to heal them. It was as one-sided a battle as it possibly could be.

Suzaku's speed was at least as fast as God seed Aldo before the latter was weakened by the destruction of the other God seeds. However, unlike God seed Aldo, Suzaku's offensive strength could badly injure Natsu. There is a significant difference because none of God seed Aldo's attacks were keeping Natsu down despite visible effort on his end. Then we take into account how effortless Suzaku looked when he cut both Natsu and Erza down. The same Natsu who could take many hits from God seed Aldo, and the same Erza who took multiple attacks from RLD Laxus who could kill Spriggans for fun.
Oh look, logic! Some users here should read this a couple times.

Just gonna leave this here:


Before anyone wants to use the DF argument, Natsu has never shown at any point he has the ability use DF the second the battle begins. As the battle prolongs, he then uses it when he's on the edge. Suzaku on the other hand has shown the ability to blitz him immediately.

Natsu has 0 chance of winning this fight as of chapter 90 of the sequel.
 

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Suzaku was able to react to and counter casual Selene's attacks, while Natsu couldn't even perceive casual (all seeds intact) Aldo's attacks. This was before Selene started scheming, so no excuses here
Suzaku was able to react to and counter two spells from a casual Selene before she started scheming, it's not like they had a small fight before she found out about Kurnugi, she only threw two casual spells at him and he was able to react to those two casual spells from her, just like Irene was able to react to and dodge the casual spell Acno threw at her.


And even as she was scheming and playing, she was still dominating Suzaku the entire fight until she got the information she needed out of him, she wasn't putting any effort into the fight whatsoever.
 

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Nothing indicates Natsu can't go DF at the beginning of the fight. Might as well say Laxus can't use Red Lightning at his whim , or that Erza can't use Blumenblatt at her will , or that Acno can't roar at his will just cause they don't do so at the beginning of the fight. This is absurd and makes no sense whatsoever. Natsu showed he can do it willingly , which means he can.
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Suzaku's fight against Selene doesn't really mean anything. It amounts to zero relevancy. She put as much effort as Acno did against Jellal. The thing Suzaku got going for him is him blitzing Natsu , but he has not shown the ability to kill Natsu before he can think or react. Erza reacted to him , Natsu can go DF within that period. It doesn't take him time at all , the transformation is immediate. If he had KOed Selene it would mean he does have the capability to KO Natsu before he can think. But now he doesn't.



It practically literally took him a single panel to do it. The effect is near immediate. Of course , I won't defend that he didn't have the ability to do it without being amped on PoF back in Alvarez. He wouldn't have been required to pushed to the point of being skewered by Zeref's magic otherwise , he could've died there. But once he could do it , the process itself doesn't take time at all. Just one panel. And we know unlike back in Alvarez , he doesn't need PoF now in the 100YQ.
 
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Natsu cleans.

I vote suzaku cause he is my new favorite, coincidentally selene is my second favorite.
 

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Without hax and pure overwhelming stats? I'd like to see when that happened. Usually he goes down to some cheat hax
The only other character who one shotted Natsu with pure stats was Future Rouge (to LFD Natsu), with rough silk. And we know how strong he was. Natsu needed AF powerup to compete, and admitted on screen prior to getting that powerup to Happy that he was too strong to face headon.
Suzaku did it casually within a second.

Suzaku >>>> base Natsu. You make it sound like it was close lol, no it wasn't

Suzaku one shots him in a second. Unless you think Natsu goes DF within a second, I don't see how this lasts.
I agree DF Natsu > Suzaku
But hax is some1 power/ability just cause they might not have the physical stats that doesn’t mean they ain’t “powerful” the problems comes in when the person figure out/out power the hax.

if a character can’t push natsu out of base at this point in this series then that character was fodder tier. (IMO)


Lol u can put many arrows u want about suzuku be stronger than natsu I do that to be funny but what I’m saying I do agree suzaku is stronger than base natsu I just saying it isn’t that much impressive


erza reacted to suzaku to me that enough time for natsu to go DF

Natsu wins
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Nothing indicates Natsu can't go DF at the beginning of the fight. Might as well say Laxus can't use Red Lightning at his whim , or that Erza can't use Blumenblatt at her will , or that Acno can't roar at his will just cause they don't do so at the beginning of the fight. This is absurd and makes no sense whatsoever. Natsu showed he can do it willingly , which means he can.
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Suzaku's fight against Selene doesn't really mean anything. It amounts to zero relevancy. She put as much effort as Acno did against Jellal. The thing Suzaku got going for him is him blitzing Natsu , but he has not shown the ability to kill Natsu before he can think or react. Erza reacted to him , Natsu can go DF within that period. It doesn't take him time at all , the transformation is immediate. If he had KOed Selene it would mean he does have the capability to KO Natsu before he can think. But now he doesn't.



It practically literally took him a single panel to do it. The effect is near immediate. Of course , I won't defend that he didn't have the ability to do it without being amped on PoF back in Alvarez. He wouldn't have been required to pushed to the point of being skewered by Zeref's magic otherwise , he could've died there. But once he could do it , the process itself doesn't take time at all. Just one panel. And we know unlike back in Alvarez , he doesn't need PoF now in the 100YQ.
That the only part I disagree with I think at that time this was a confirmation that natsu can go into DF at will without PoF
 

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erza reacted to suzaku to me that enough time for natsu to go DF
Show me right now Natsu going into DF within 2 seconds at the beginning of any battle.
 

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Show me right now Natsu going into DF within 2 seconds at the beginning of any battle.
Isn’t this a fantasy battle? Natsu can be blododlust at the beginning of the battle and oneshot suzuku
 

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Isn’t this a fantasy battle? Natsu can be blododlust at the beginning of the battle and oneshot suzuku
So? You don't start off in DF so again, show me Natsu at any time using DF immediately or even having the ability to. Because otherwise I can say Suzaku just blitzes Natsu before he uses DF or turns into a dragon himself.
 
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