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I'm trying to translate the following line:

やはり肉と着替えは生に限るなぁ

And I can't seem to make any sense of it.
Literally it seems like its:
"As I thought, meat and a change of clothes are confined to life."

Any ideas?
 

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shinwei said:
I'm trying to translate the following line:

やはり肉と着替えは生に限るなぁ

And I can't seem to make any sense of it.
Literally it seems like its:
"As I thought, meat and a change of clothes are confined to life."

Any ideas?
well it could be a bit different depending on context and what not, but it could mean:

“There’s nothing better in life than some meat and fresh clothes”
meaning after a while of doing without finally getting something to eat (meat) and something new to wear (the new set of clothes) that there is nothing better in life than that :p.

http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/bin/dsearch?p=%B8%C2%A4%EB&stype=1&dtype=1
かぎる【限る】

2〔最上である〕


・ 辞書はこれに限る
This is the best dictionary.


・ 夏は冷たいビールに限る
In the summer there's nothing like a cold beer.


・ 疲れをいやすには眠るに限る
Sleeping is the most effective way to recover from fatigue.

As for the “yahari” you can put it in there, but I wouldn’t use “as I thought :p”
More like, man there isn’t anything better / yeah- there isn’t anything better… to be a bit more natural… but that’s me ;).

Posting the chapter(or at least that particular page) would be the best way to get accurate help since a lot of the time the dialouge could change due to the context and what not ;)
 

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Thanks, what would I ever do without you?
 

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shinwei said:
Thanks, what would I ever do without you?
お役に立てて良かったです :ossu
 

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Kagiru... I did not know this other usage for it! Thanks, Taylor!

njt said:
As for the “yahari” you can put it in there, but I wouldn’t use “as I thought :p”
More like, man there isn’t anything better / yeah- there isn’t anything better… to be a bit more natural… but that’s me ;).
Yeah, "yahari"... I once saw this great translation by Nihongaeri where he had Naruto say "That's it! I've made up my mind! I can't stand you!" or something. The line was "yappari temee wa dame da! sugee mukatsuku ttebayo!" The thing is that rather than meaning "as I thought", "yahari/yappari" just implies that a previous assumption or thesis - whether yours, someone else's or conventional wisdom - was correct.

Like when you're debating something, and you go back and forth over which is the best option, once you finally settle on it you go "yahari (kore) ga ichiban da."

So in that line, Naruto's "yappari" means there's no longer any doubt as far as his opinion of Sai.

So depeding on the context it can be "after all", "indeed", "Just as I thought!", or something which fits the context.

Taylor's suggestion of "yeah" for this line looks really good to me, as "yahari" is here meant to imply that it's only natural that fresh food and fresh clothes are the best things in life. :)
 

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shinwei said:
やはり肉と着替えは生に限るなぁ
Tad bit liberal, but...

"Meat and clothes changing sure do have one thing in common, they're best served raw"

... Ok doesn't really work all that well in English (I might actually be able to do a better translation if I knew exactly what the context was). The main culprit that prevents me from thinking of a good translation is the 生(なま). It means "raw" I suppose, but can also mean "live", as in say "live broadcast" (literally 生放送 in Japanese). So you can have say a sentence like, 音楽はやっぱり生に限る, where you're saying that music is best when heard live.

Anyhow, the reason I want to know the context is, well, what are we talking about here? Like some perverted guy peeping on a girl as she changes clothes, all while he eats a raw steak? Hmm...

I'm tempted to write a big long essay about やはり, its different uses, and how to translate it into English (because hell, you really can write an essay on the subject), but I need to get to bed...
 

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Nihongaeri said:
Tad bit liberal, but...

"Meat and clothes changing sure do have one thing in common, they're best served raw"

... Ok doesn't really work all that well in English (I might actually be able to do a better translation if I knew exactly what the context was). The main culprit that prevents me from thinking of a good translation is the 生(なま). It means "raw" I suppose, but can also mean "live", as in say "live broadcast" (literally 生放送 in Japanese). So you can have say a sentence like, 音楽はやっぱり生に限る, where you're saying that music is best when heard live.

Anyhow, the reason I want to know the context is, well, what are we talking about here? Like some perverted guy peeping on a girl as she changes clothes, all while he eats a raw steak? Hmm...

I'm tempted to write a big long essay about やはり, its different uses, and how to translate it into English (because hell, you really can write an essay on the subject), but I need to get to bed...
ya- I also thought about it being nama,... but wasn't sure, so just went with life... thus me saying it "could" mean that :p. Then again, I just asked my wife what she thought about the sentence and she said the exact same thing that nihingaeri said... so- it more than likely means "Meat and clothes changing sure do have one thing in common, they're best served raw"

Thanks for your help nihongaeri, and I look forward to seeing what you'll write about yahari :D.
 

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Its this kid eating a bigass animal thingy. He's not changing clothes or anything though, he's just standing on top of the bigass animal thing's body and eating it.
 

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shinwei said:
Its this kid eating a bigass animal thingy. He's not changing clothes or anything though, he's just standing on top of the bigass animal thing's body and eating it.
ah then perhaps my translation would be right :p. images still would be appreciated :)
 

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:O I want to know about "yahari"...
 

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Found the manga on WinNY... ツギハギ漂流作家, right?

"Eating meat and changing clothes, two things best when raw"

... Nah... Still doesn't work...

Read the first part of the chapter, but the 着替え reference is still a little random to me. Don't have time now to read the rest, but I'll try to later...
 

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Thanks for all your help. Here's how I'm wording it:

"Nothin' beats eatin' some raw meat after a fresh change of clothes!"
 

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Ok... やはり and やっぱり...

I've just thought up a few "simple" example sentences for the word for now... I'll and some more comments and translations later.


友達が作ってくれた辛さ100倍激辛カレーを食べてみたけど、やっぱり辛すぎた。
頑張って説得してはみたが、やっぱりダメだった。
彼にはやはり荷が重すぎたか。
やっぱりお代わりもらおう。


昔圧倒的な人気を誇ったアイドルだった彼女は、歳をとった今でもやはり申し分のない美人だ。
「人種・民族のルツボ」と称されるアメリカでもやはり、永住権がない限り、不便を強いられることが多い。
 

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Nihongaeri said:
友達が作ってくれた辛さ100倍激辛カレーを食べてみたけど、やっぱり辛すぎた。
それって・・・友達と言えるの?(笑)しかも、辛すぎって・・・もの足りなくない?もしかして、「やっぱりその味は地獄のような辛さだったので死ぬと思った」の方がいいかも(笑)(俺だけかな?辛いものは全然だめ:s、昨日、一昨日?んーわからないけどカレー食べたら甘い口じゃなかったから最後まで食べなかった、辛くて:s)

まぁとにかく~やはりの続きは面白そう~ガンバレ日本帰り!!

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Found the manga on WinNY... ツギハギ漂流作家, right?
良く見つけたね :o
 

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それって・・・友達と言えるの?(笑)しかも、辛すぎって・・・もの足りなくない?もしかして、「やっぱりその味は地獄のような辛さだったので死ぬと思った」の方がいいかも(笑)(俺だけかな?辛いものは全然だめ:s、昨日、一昨日?んーわからないけどカレー食べたら甘い口じゃなかったから最後まで食べなかった、辛くて:s)
Really? And I was hoping to one day offer you tacos with hot sauce のに... :sweatdrop
 

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Whoa whoa... why's everyone totally discussing yahari and yappari now? That was the part that I uh.. didn't need help with :p

Thanks guys.
 

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C'mon, let me gleam some extra info, won't you? :P
 

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Iwanin said:
Really? And I was hoping to one day offer you tacos with hot sauce のに... :sweatdrop
haha well bring out the sour creame and I'll be fine :).

and let's just go with the yahari discussion.. it's something that needs to be talked about :)
 

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Page 15

Panel 1

Mitsune(THINK): 何この子。。。?
Who is this kid..?

Mitsune: まぁ とにかく私が悪かった謝るわ
Well, that was my fault. Sorry!

Mitsune: それじゃここで
See ya later.

Boy: まぁ 待て
Hang on.

Panel 2

Boy: お近付きにどうだ? 一口
How 'bout a bite?

Mitsune: どうって。。。 生で。。。?
Um.. isn't that raw..?

Mitsune: 第一 それいたんでるわよ
It also smells really bad.

Panel 3

Boy: やはり そう思うか
You think so too, huh?

Boy: ぼくも最近調子悪くて。。。
Lately I haven't been feeling very well.

Boy: ケツのまわりに排卵されてる気がする
I get the feeling that something is breeding around my butt-hole.

Mitsune: それは寄生虫でしょ
Those would be parasites.

Panel 4

Boy: じゃ なおさら食べ方がいい
Oh! All the more reason to eat this!

Mitsune: なんで!
WHAT!

Boy: 寄生虫ダイエットだ
I'm on a parasite diet.

Boy: 虫が宿主の養分を横取りするから食べながらやせられるぞ
Parasites feed off of nutrients from the host, thereby helping the host lose weight!

Panel 5

Mitsune: 。。。。。。。。。。。

Mitsune: 行くわよ ムチマロ
Let's go, Muchimaro.

Panel 6

Mitsune: あれは かかわっちゃいけないタイプの人間よ
That's an example of someone to stay away from.

Boy: 話の途中で失礼なやつだ
How rude! We were in the middle of a conversation!

Boy: 貧乳は隠せてもセルライトは隠せんぞ 
You can hide your poverty but not your cellulite.



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Above is page 15 of Tsugihagi Hyoryu Sakka. I found the page kind of weird and disgusting, and am totally unsure if I translated right. Any suggestions?
 

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shinwei said:
Mitsune: 第一 それいたんでるわよ
It also smells really bad.
First off, it's rotten

Boy: 虫が宿主の養分を横取りするから食べながらやせられるぞ
Parasites feed off of nutrients from the host, thereby helping the host lose weight!
Parasites feed off of nutrients from the host, thereby one can loose weight while eating.

Boy: 貧乳は隠せてもセルライトは隠せんぞ 
You can hide your poverty but not your cellulite.
I believe hinnyuu = flat chest / small brests
so---
You can hide your small tits, but not your cellulite (use whatever word you want for breasts here :p)
Those are the only parts that I thought were a tad bit off ;). Great job... and yeah- it is gross and disturbing :p
 
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