Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1033 Discussion

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So, in terms of CoA at least

Ryuo = Haki

1. Normal CoA - the one where it's stated but we see no visual indication like Tashigi vs Monet or Sanji blocking judge. Kuja Arrows.
2. Coating (Black) - like luffy since TS. I always thought the blade turning black would go here?
3. Armor (flowing cherry blossom. Chap 939/940) this should be flow (chap 947) - Sander Sonia, Sentomaru, Rayleigh now Luffy. Outward haki.
4. Internal damage (level after Flow. Chap 947) - Rayleigh and handcuffs, Luffy with handcuffs and the training with the tree.

Where do swordsmen fit on the scale? Does it automatically fall into 3 into order to turn black.

Was Katakuri at a 2.5 or 3.5. If the scabbards were able to damage Kaidou with Togen Totsuka were they at point 4?
 
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So 50 years ago, Kozaburo Shimutsuki left Wano illegaly.
13 Years ago, Zoro was living in Shimutsuki Village.
Seeing Kozaburo sitting and Zoro's size. He is also very tall.
It is established that Enma is Kozaburo's best masterpiece.

PLOT TWIST :
Probably at some point, Marines learned about them or Kozaburo, so they bargained Kuina's life for the village. Since she is very talented at her age and a direct descendant from one of Wano's best family, WG probably wanted her amongst them. But for one reason they had to "erase her memories".

About the chapter :
Very nice development, Zoro understand Enma's full potential. By giving Enma full haki and not holding back, he also unlocked his own potential ?
That would also explain why other blades are also in the same state as Enma.

About Zoro :
It was pretty clearly established he has CoC when Kaido mentioned it. I mean when Zoro was using Ashura which is also implying that he was able to use it in Ennies Lobby.
It was pretty int when he fought Monet. There was a big panel focused in Zoro's eye, like when Luffy uses haki, panels always focus his eyes or face. He scared Monet by looking into her eyes and making her believe he was about to kill her.
Then he fought Kaido, Kaido uses ACoC against Luffy, then Luffy used it also. He had a climps of that power.
Now thanks to Enma he was able to "unlock" this power also.

About people in this forum saying that Zoro had to awaken CoC when Luffy was away, it doesn't fit. Rayleigh have CoC and he is Roger's Second.
People having CoC doesn't mean they HAD to be captain or leader.
You can still be a "leader" and follow someone. Like Yamato following Luffy. I am pretty sure Law also has this inner power.
 

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So 50 years ago, Kozaburo Shimutsuki left Wano illegaly.
13 Years ago, Zoro was living in Shimutsuki Village.
Seeing Kozaburo sitting and Zoro's size. He is also very tall.
It is established that Enma is Kozaburo's best masterpiece.

PLOT TWIST :
Probably at some point, Marines learned about them or Kozaburo, so they bargained Kuina's life for the village. Since she is very talented at her age and a direct descendant from one of Wano's best family, WG probably wanted her amongst them. But for one reason they had to "erase her memories".

About the chapter :
Very nice development, Zoro understand Enma's full potential. By giving Enma full haki and not holding back, he also unlocked his own potential ?
That would also explain why other blades are also in the same state as Enma.

About Zoro :
It was pretty clearly established he has CoC when Kaido mentioned it. I mean when Zoro was using Ashura which is also implying that he was able to use it in Ennies Lobby.
It was pretty int when he fought Monet. There was a big panel focused in Zoro's eye, like when Luffy uses haki, panels always focus his eyes or face. He scared Monet by looking into her eyes and making her believe he was about to kill her.
Then he fought Kaido, Kaido uses ACoC against Luffy, then Luffy used it also. He had a climps of that power.
Now thanks to Enma he was able to "unlock" this power also.

About people in this forum saying that Zoro had to awaken CoC when Luffy was away, it doesn't fit. Rayleigh have CoC and he is Roger's Second.
People having CoC doesn't mean they HAD to be captain or leader.
You can still be a "leader" and follow someone. Like Yamato following Luffy. I am pretty sure Law also has this inner power.
Kuina secretly being in SSG , CP0 or something like sword would be fire
Remember big mum nearly got sold into the world government
I know it’s unklikey and all that but would love that
 

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Kuina secretly being in SSG , CP0 or something like sword would be fire
Remember big mum nearly got sold into the world government
I know it’s unklikey and all that but would love that
I am more confident that Tashigi is Kuina.
Otherwise, I don't know why Oda would have introduced Tashigi. I mean she is exactly like Kuina.
Or maybe they are twins, then yes, she can be SSG or CP0. That would be amazing ^^
 

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And again swordsmen don’t all naturally use Ryou
There’s basic cladding , but flow is imbuing and letting haki flow into your enemy And damage them internally
That’s the third level of haki ... all swordsman who imbue their swords with haki has flow haki which is the second form that hyogoro taught luffy . Zoro already knows this he uses swords which in luffys case it’s his hand and he emits the shockwave weaponizing it. He just doesn’t know the third which is internal
 
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Enma had chosen Zoro but his caution to give it everything held him back and made him weak as a swordsman. Same for the other 2 blades who now glow in the black lightning and smoke choking the island with the presence of a new conqueror.

Crazy. This kid at his weakest without this revelation still scarred a YONKO.

Let's just put that into perspective, POST-TS ZORO AT HIS WEAKEST PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY SCARRED KAIDO! Damn I read somebody else at their weakest got knocked out a couple hundred times.
 
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I feel that Oda made a mistake in using black lightning as CoC too early in the series or too casually. Now when he wants to show us properly that a user has CoC infusion, it leads to some debate/confusion. Here are some instances when ppl clashed against each other and there were black lightning drawings.

1. Luffy vs Doffy
2. Luffy vs Katakuri

This is still quite acceptable cause both ppl above are CoC users. However, they don’t know how to infuse their attacks with CoC when they clashed.

3. Luffy vs Ulti
This one is quite BS to me. But what if Ulti really has CoC🤔? Or maybe Luffy used it unknowingly to defend himself?

4. Ulti vs Ussop
The most BS to me. None of them has CoC.

5. Yamato vs Ulti
Still ok cause Yamato knows aCoC and Yamato attacked Ulti.

6. 4RS vs Kaido
There was black lightning when the 4RS Togen Totsuka Kaido. Don’t think any of the 4 of them has CoC. If not, that person could have probably wield Enma already?

7.Oden vs Kaido
8. Roger vs WB
9. Kaido vs Yamato
10. BM smashes P1
11. Luffy vs Kaido.

7-11. Nothing needs to be said about it.
 

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That’s the third level of haki ... all swordsman who imbue their swords with haki has flow haki which is the second form that hyogoro taught luffy . Zoro already knows this he uses swords which in luffys case it’s his hand and he emits the shockwave weaponizing it. He just doesn’t know the third which is internal
I think you can imbue a sword with haki without using flow. That's what Zoro did earlier in the manga.
Flow isn't that easy ;)
Also, by researching the occurrences of black lightning on Google, I found out Sanji attacks (against P1 and Oven, fi), had that too.
 
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wow.. now many expert on haki... lol..
CoC, CoA, A(advance)CoC, ACoA..
and soon V(very)ACoc & VACoa..
or VV(very VIP)ACoC & VVCoA..

Just kiding lol...
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may be Oda's smile to see a lot of haki expert more than him..
lol...
 

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I feel that Oda made a mistake in using black lightning as CoC too early in the series or too casually. Now when he wants to show us properly that a user has CoC infusion, it leads to some debate/confusion. Here are some instances when ppl clashed against each other and there were black lightning drawings.

1. Luffy vs Doffy
2. Luffy vs Katakuri

This is still quite acceptable cause both ppl above are CoC users. However, they don’t know how to infuse their attacks with CoC when they clashed.

3. Luffy vs Ulti
This one is quite BS to me. But what if Ulti really has CoC🤔? Or maybe Luffy used it unknowingly to defend himself?

4. Ulti vs Ussop
The most BS to me. None of them has CoC.

5. Yamato vs Ulti
Still ok cause Yamato knows aCoC and Yamato attacked Ulti.

6. 4RS vs Kaido
There was black lightning when the 4RS Togen Totsuka Kaido. Don’t think any of the 4 of them has CoC. If not, that person could have probably wield Enma already?

7.Oden vs Kaido
8. Roger vs WB
9. Kaido vs Yamato
10. BM smashes P1
11. Luffy vs Kaido.

7-11. Nothing needs to be said about it.
CoA lightning seems to only happen during clashes whereas aCoC trails the weapon or fist before the clash. As others have said aCoA seems to be a prerequisite to aCoC if we look at the shield/barrier during aCoC clashes.
 

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So by the looks of the raw it appears zoro is using emma like attacks with all of his swords? And this finally awakened his conqueror's haki... Maybe emma was draining his conqueror's haki all along? And now that zoro has awakened it he has enough of it to sustain combat for a while...
 

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What I've had to deal with the last 2 days:

Zoro fanbois: haha Zoro has CoC take that PQ

Me:I never said he didn't, just that we were given vague info. It wasn't clear

Zoro fanbois: Oh, yes you did! You said he for sure didn't have CoC

Me: Here is literal evidence of that being untrue*pulls reciepts*

Zoro fanbois: The proof means nothing you are still down playing zoro

Me: I have consistently maintained that Zoro may have CoC but he for sure does not have Advanced CoC *pulls proof*

Zoro fanbois: See you are downplaying him!

Me: Explains the difference between CoC and ACoC *with proof*

Zoro fanbois: You just don't want Zoro to have CoC!

Me: I am not, here is one evidence of me proving I rooted for Zoro to have CoC before even Zoro fanbois wanted him to have it *pulls reciepts*

Zoro fanbois: that doesn't mean anything


:ohaielmo
It’s interesting to see Sandai still get this much attention despite being the most obvious sword to upgrade with the Nidai being right there. A part of me still thinks that he would trade it in for Nidai but now that it’s been made clear that sword chose him before any other it will be sad to see it go.

I’m also still wondering how this all connects to the BOAT. There’s only so much further Zoro can go at this point before that must be thoroughly explained. Keep feeding me
Oda I’m starving!
 
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Lol Oda is a genius. He gives us chapters and chapters of back and forth garbage has people quitting one piece then follows it up with some of the best Sanji and Zoro chapters he's done. Well done Oda-san. (on top of hyping up Kidd and Law - somewhat).

This chapter is so hype. We're finally getting the official tie-in to Zoro's whole life. I appreciate it for his character that it's taken him this long. I imagine we'll find out his personal lineage soon.
 

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About Zoro :
It was pretty clearly established he has CoC when Kaido mentioned it. I mean when Zoro was using Ashura which is also implying that he was able to use it in Ennies Lobby.

It was pretty int when he fought Monet. There was a big panel focused in Zoro's eye, like when Luffy uses haki, panels always focus his eyes or face. He scared Monet by looking into her eyes and making her believe he was about to kill her.
Not just here, he overwhelmed the Red Dragon on Punk Hazard and momentarily knocked it out in the manga, too. The scene was also kept in the anime.
 

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i think hitetsu used to be a kuhai of kozaburo, which may explain how the sandai kitetsu, which is hitetsu's work, landed in logue town.
 

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Lol Oda is a genius. He gives us chapters and chapters of back and forth garbage has people quitting one piece then follows it up with some of the best Sanji and Zoro chapters he's done. Well done Oda-san. (on top of hyping up Kidd and Law - somewhat).

This chapter is so hype. We're finally getting the official tie-in to Zoro's whole life. I appreciate it for his character that it's taken him this long. I imagine we'll find out his personal lineage soon.
Legit the opposite for me
I am disappointed in the rushed development
I like the power ups but they feel so rushed
Sani, it felt such a rushed conclusion to the sanji germa saga ,
And Zoro getting the most advanced powerup without even knowing how to use the basic form normally is Bs
I wanted them to get to these points but the build up to these moments are ridiculously poor by Oda standards
 

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Legit the opposite for me
I am disappointed in the rushed development
I like the power ups but they feel so rushed
Sani, it felt such a rushed conclusion to the sanji germa saga ,
And Zoro getting the most advanced powerup without even knowing how to use the basic form normally is Bs
I wanted them to get to these points but the build up to these moments are ridiculously poor by Oda standards
Haki is supposed to come in the heat of battle right? that's what it's doing. It started to come out in the most dire mofo'd battle he could have ever thought (2 Yonkos) and now when he's in a similar hard battle for him he's putting it all together.

Mid-fight power-ups happens all the time in manga and I like it because its not even a nakama power-up. He's thinking of his own power to be world's best rather than specifically oh I gotta protect so-and -so.

You either get either power ups in battle or time skips. Rarely do you get a naruto rasangen type development story. I'm happy with the pacing and i think there's still another chapter or two to come (maybe in 50 chapters or so).
 

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Final questions for thoughts:
How much Haki does Zoro have in his pool?
Is he currently producing more Haki to keep up with the demand for Enma or will he run out soon?
As haki is the life-force/spirit/will, I believe its pool lasts as long as the user can bear it its not limitless but all to do with the user's will.

Imbuing a weapon merely clads it so its not an expense, this is defined by Oda saying Enma 'draws' out more haki than the user intends to instead of 'consumes' which is why Zoro has always been able to take it back when Enma acts up. Enma doesn't just take the haki then its completely gone.

I doubt it but, we will see if there is a time limit to how long Zoro can fight like this and if drawbacks are similar to Gear 4. I can understand Luffy having limits but Zoro, is the armament specialist so is he more efficient hmm.

Very interesting question with strong implications
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Yo I'm reading that the raw provider has confirmed Zoro is talking about Luffy as his best friend, not referring to Kuina.
 

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I think what's going on is another sign that OP is nearing its end: the characters are getting the powerups they need in order to face the endgame. Luffy is going to defeat an Emperor, and even though he still needs to fully master his new tools, he's at the level to do battle with pretty much anybody (and by do battle I mean go toe to toe, not win easily: of course some people are still stronger, but no one can one shot him like Kaido did anymore)

Zoro is on his way to YC1+, and once he's there, he's got everything he needs to climb up the last few steps to WGS

Then the SHs have a YC2 + in the making (Sanji), a YC2/3 (Jinbei), and they might get Yamato (YC1?) as a bonus.
The grand fleet.
The Minks and Samurai.
Nothing can prevent them from going to the top after that.
 
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