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There is 0% chance for Zunesha to be the ship Pluton since the Nefertari crypt Poneglyph told its exact location within the Alabasta kingdom. At the end of the Void Century war, the Ancient Kingdom must have made a deal with 1 of the 20 kingdoms so that they would keep Pluton safely hidden from the World Government to come. This is the reason why the Nefertari family never became Tenryuubito after the Void Century and they were labelled as traitors during the Reverie.

See below why Momo is an Ancient Weapon and Zunesha a Sky King. Please ignore the Gorusei point as they were actually talking about DF instead of Zunesha.
For the love of One Piece, do you have any good explanation where the hack this huge elephant (if not a DF product) comes from?
 

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IMO it’s more likely his sister Hiyori because she hasn’t met with them for 20 years..
Yes she did, Kawamatsu was present when Hiyori offered Enma to Zoro
 

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Don't try to be cute. Bolded is to highlight a specific word/key ideas. I didn't say bolded words = DFs only. Don't put words in my mouth.
That's false, lol. Not putting words in your mouth, telling you your words are false and made up fallacies, lol.

I can go through the entire Manga, and the bolded words mean fuck all to be honest 😂.



YOU is bolded. As if bolding it makes it mean anything else, not bolding it wouldn't change anything. There's literally nothing special about bolded words, lol.



AHHHH PIERCE HIS HIDE!!! Lol, do you really think highlighting this has any specific function regarding the story? other than they're shouting "omg ahh pierce the big bad man..."



Wow, this panel must have some special meaning. Doesn't belong to you must mean something incredibly nuanced and requires scrutiny, research, reading between the lines?... or it just means... it doesn't belong to you?

Common now. Let's be serious here and think rationally, lol. Don't make up nonsense just because of a bias towards an idea.
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覚醒 (kakusei) is a specific word

From what I could check, it's not used for anything else in One Piece


And I told you. words can have multiple meanings in different contexts.

Kakusei can also mean revival, it all depends on context.

Any word can have a different meaning depending on how its used, it's called metaphor, it's a figure of speech that's not literal.
 

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Have a good look at the buildings at Zou. The stone built ones, to be precise. I just bought Pirate Warriors 4 on sale, which starts at Alabasta arc, and that made me realize, they are the same.

Now...

Have a look at this:


original name: Yebu, "Elephant"

Holy Cats, Dogs, and Birds (like on the Kozuki symbol)...With the Bird being of the highest order...

There's also a Dali painting that has Elephants mirroring birds.

Edit: It's probably from the water filled hole (where the casino is built on) in Rainbase, which would explain the heavy presence of crocodiles in Zou. It's far too deep for an Oasis.
 

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I don’t think anybody ever uses step-up that way tho hahaha
But I see what you mean
Tbh I didn’t even think of a link between df awakening and the Gorosei’s sentence when I read the chapter, because I assumed they meant “hadn’t been seen”.
I really wonder why they would talk about the df awakened state when the thing isn’t even supposed to have been seen for ages, seems weird. And wouldn’t that mean said fruit has awakened by now? If so, that rules out Luffy’s ability at the very least.
Time will tell as usual anyways
It's just metaphors, figure of speech. As you know, metaphors and figures of speech aren't literal.

If you called me a slithering snake, you're not literally calling me a slithering snake, you're just saying I am sly, someone to by wary off, someone slick and deceptive.

As you said, you assumed it just meant hasn't been seen which is pretty much what I'm saying. The fact they used Awaken and a measure of time suggests it's simply not been seen for centuries.

Nor does it make sense to say a DF hasn't Awakened if they were referring to DF Awakening ability, they should have said no one has Awakened the DF in centuries, and then these people might be very likely right.

Furthermore, if they were talking about DF Awakening like the case of Law, Kid, Katakuri... why would they bring up its name? What does name have to do with an Awakening? They won't answer that.
People aren't asking the right questions or thinking logically... since when has a DF's name changed from being Awakened? DFs names remain the same even after Awakening. This is more evidence they're just saying it's not appeared in a long time.

This panel states Joker is the man who controls the darkness in the new world... the people who think Awaken is literal... should read this and they'd think Joker's controlling the Yami Yami no Mi or has the powers to control Darkness.
Fact is Caesar here is speaking metaphorically.... controlling darkness in the new world simply means he controls underground activity in the new world.

Not everything is literal and I don't think they get that.
 

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Don't try to be cute. Bolded is to highlight a specific word/key ideas. I didn't say bolded words = DFs only. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said we're using the meaning of awakening referring to devil fruits for a few chapters as a key term. Yes there can be other instances of awakening and the CONTEXT supports that. This isn't about Luffy's SEXUAL awakening. This is about a FRUIT awakening.

If you want, blame Oda for picking a ubiquitous term. He could have just as easily called it "the fruit reaching level 2". Think of it as SSJ levels. Oda has infinite skill trees to pick from but he uses awakening to mean DF lvl 2 or lvl 3 whatever you want.
@goldb possible to put up a poll for what gorosei were referring to with "awakening"? Mainly so i know what people to rub it in when Oda reveals it later to be devil fruit awakening.
 

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Words and phrases can be used to have different meanings.

Step-up - Can mean climb up a physical stair.
Step-up - Can also mean take responsibility.

I said this earlier, metaphors.

Even Ancient Weapons have been said to Awaken.

Awaken is not a specific word related to anything, it's just a general word.

If Awakening was called "Activate", doesn't mean the word Activation is specific to just Devil fruits Can use Activation in different settings and it will have different meanings.
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It didn't say the fruit achieves Awakening.

It said it has not awakened in centuries implying years.



Lol, that's a lie. Bolded words don't become more DF based. You're making that up for sure.



Intruder is in bold... must mean it's DF related??
HP you're doing the thing again. Please stop.
 

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Yes dude drop the semantics argument :)
 

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Not sure if I get your point, but this is what the Gorosei said



過去何百年も"覚醒"する事などなかった

覚醒 (kakusei) is the same term used for awakening a Devil Fruit. The word is also emphasized with quotation marks, implying it has some special usage.
Exactly what I meant. I agree the context hints at resurfacing but the use of words and quotes hint pretty clear at Devil Fruit Awakening.
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Words and phrases can be used to have different meanings.

Step-up - Can mean climb up a physical stair.
Step-up - Can also mean take responsibility.

I said this earlier, metaphors.

Even Ancient Weapons have been said to Awaken.

Awaken is not a specific word related to anything, it's just a general word.

If Awakening was called "Activate", doesn't mean the word Activation is specific to just Devil fruits Can use Activation in different settings and it will have different meanings.
But awakening wasnt called awakening in the raws/japanese version. The panel youre referencing with "activate" didnt use 覚醒 (kakusei) it used a different word. The word used meant sth like more like reactivating.
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That's false, lol. Not putting words in your mouth, telling you your words are false and made up fallacies, lol.

I can go through the entire Manga, and the bolded words mean fuck all to be honest 😂.



YOU is bolded. As if bolding it makes it mean anything else, not bolding it wouldn't change anything. There's literally nothing special about bolded words, lol.



AHHHH PIERCE HIS HIDE!!! Lol, do you really think highlighting this has any specific function regarding the story? other than they're shouting "omg ahh pierce the big bad man..."



Wow, this panel must have some special meaning. Doesn't belong to you must mean something incredibly nuanced and requires scrutiny, research, reading between the lines?... or it just means... it doesn't belong to you?

Common now. Let's be serious here and think rationally, lol. Don't make up nonsense just because of a bias towards an idea.
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And I told you. words can have multiple meanings in different contexts.

Kakusei can also mean revival, it all depends on context.

Any word can have a different meaning depending on how its used, it's called metaphor, it's a figure of speech that's not literal.
Youre missing the point HP. When Oda talks about revival resurfacing or the other listed words he doesnt use the word 覚醒 (kakusei). He uses that word exclusively for Devil Fruit Awakening.


The word can have different meanings in a general sense. That is correct.

But Oda isolated the usage of the word in his manga only in context to Devil Fruit Awakening and he enhanced that by also using quotes when talking about Devil Fruit Awakening.
 

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@goldb possible to put up a poll for what gorosei were referring to with "awakening"? Mainly so i know what people to rub it in when Oda reveals it later to be devil fruit awakening.
What poll options do you want?
 

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HP you're doing the thing again. Please stop.
What are you crying about now?

I made a point with evidence.
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But awakening wasnt called awakening in the raws/japanese version. The panel youre referencing with "activate" didnt use 覚醒 (kakusei) it used a different word. The word used meant sth like more like reactivating.
Lol, reactivate, activating, point is those words are not exclusive to Devil fruits.

Like I said, metaphors. Words have different meaning depending on context.

From a japanese speaker:


tl;dr, it can be either actual user awakening or resurfacing of the fruit, but the use of quotes makes me lean more towards actual awakening.
You quoted your Japanese speaking friend who said it can also mean RESURFACING. Guessing he's no longer worth citing since he doesn't actually claim it is 100% referring to Awakening?

Which I said without needing a Japanese friend to tell me. You don't have to be Japanese to know words can have different meaning depending on context. We do this in English, and it doesn't change just because it's Japanese.

It's just simple grammar, words can have different meanings depending on context because... words can be used metaphorically.
 

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What are you crying about now?

I made a point with evidence.
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Lol, reactivate, activating, point is those words are not exclusive to Devil fruits.

Like I said, metaphors. Words have different meaning depending on context.



You quoted your Japanese speaking friend who said it can also mean RESURFACING. Guessing he's no longer worth citing since he doesn't actually claim it is 100% referring to Awakening?

Which I said without needing a Japanese friend to tell me. You don't have to be Japanese to know words can have different meaning depending on context. We do this in English, and it doesn't change just because it's Japanese.

It's just simple grammar, words can have different meanings depending on context because... words can be used metaphorically.
The thing: when someone disagrees with you for more than a few posts, you don’t call it quits or agree to disagree, but get increasingly passive/agressive and condescending. AND you know exactly that you’re doing it…

It’s a shame, cause most of us appreciate your posts, which can be second to none in quality when you don’t engage in dumb arguments. And we’re glad you’re back.
But ffs please just take this forum a little less seriously, it’s not like we’re discussing the fate of the world here
 

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Yes @Hannibal Psyche you need to stop trumping or Boris Johnsoning style your quote.

Explain your point of view with kindness you can disagree without being rude :)
 
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The start of a sentence is very critical in understanding the latter part of a statement.

Quite convenient to overlook the first 2 main points in the sentence being:
  • The fruit
  • And the fruit being a LEGEND.

Not the "DF Awakening" of a fruit being a legend which is what some people interpret it as... but they said the FRUIT (the actual Item) is a legend.

It's convenient to forget what legend means.

When Bellamy spoke about legend, he more or less indicated it's a myth, a story, something that has 0 proof.

Who else spoke about legends?



Who's who, about... Nika. Nika was a legendary story in prison meaning it was a myth, something they couldn't prove. Something he didn't even believe in, and decided to believe in it simply to stay sane in prison.

It's completely overlooked that the first thing the Gorosei said was the fruit is a legend.

The funny thing that's not being recognised is the fact that stories and things become legend because of how much time has gone by which is the reason it's a legend to begin with. Things become forgotten in time and become less believable with time.
 

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What are you crying about now?
Every time you come back to MH, you get more and more toxic and consistently just fart up every thread with semantic hair-splitting. Then you leave for a few months, come back and start the cycle all over again. I'm not 'crying about' shit, I'm just tired of seeing one guy's ego smeared across every discussion. I'm pretty sure I'm far from the only person that's noticed this over the years. You taking your little sabbaticals is the best thing to happen to this place annually.
 

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What are you crying about now?

I made a point with evidence.
This post is an example. You're being condescending, again, and making veiled insults at people and their intelligence/ability to read. It's absolutely frustrating to see you attack others in some way and refuse to consider any other different possibility that could exist, even when the outcome is looking more and more like what you don't want. What's even worse is that this has been addressed so many times before, but you don't seem to improve or get any better, and it's a shame because you have a great knowledge of One Piece. Not the best arguments, but it's cool to see you post stuff about OP, but you're not doing yourself any favor with how you act towards people you don't agree with.

I remember when you took a "sabbatical" to reassess your behavior and be better and whatever else you said, only to come back and quickly start being condescending and rude again.


Anyway, I don't think it's the toki toki fruit. Did the WG really get the information about Momonosuke that quickly? Did they even know what happened in the first place?
 

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Anyway, I don't think it's the toki toki fruit. Did the WG really get the information about Momonosuke that quickly? Did they even know what happened in the first place?
I think it's really up in the air at this point. Personally I'd like for it to be something completely out of left field, but the toki toki and kibi kibi are my best bets for something we know about that would be insanely important to the WG. And judging from the 'WG had to rename it' line, I doubt it's the toki toki because nothing about that fruit's name really hides its function. Kibi kibi though... an awakening of that fruit could be absolutely devastating if it's like Law's fruit where the awakening is simply "hey remember the fruit's weakness? doesn't have that anymore". Which could mean that the kibi kibi no mi's awakening could effortlessly enslave people.

All conjecture though... I love the shitpost idea that it's Kin'emon's fruit lol

Also I don't think it's that weird for the WG to have pretty recent information considering CP0's presence. It's been several hours since Orochi VERY publically pointed out that Momo and the Scabbards had been sent forward through time and he was right all along. Sure the rando Beasts Pirates think he's full of shit but CP0? That'd be *immediate* red flags to them if the toki toki had resurfaced.
 
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I think it's really up in the air at this point. Personally I'd like for it to be something completely out of left field, but the toki toki and kibi kibi are my best bets for something we know about that would be insanely important to the WG. And judging from the 'WG had to rename it' line, I doubt it's the toki toki because nothing about that fruit's name really hides its function. Kibi kibi though... an awakening of that fruit could be absolutely devastating if it's like Law's fruit where the awakening is simply "hey remember the fruit's weakness? doesn't have that anymore". Which could mean that the kibi kibi no mi's awakening could effortlessly enslave people.

All conjecture though... I love the shitpost idea that it's Kin'emon's fruit lol
But why kibi kibi? Seems to affect only zoan users? What would the awakening be?

Maybe it's a fruit that's not been introduced yet
 

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the idea that Zunesha is actually pluton isn't a farfetched one even if very unlikely. You'd say such and such scientist just learned devil fruits can be eaten by objects. But what did they say Vegapunk's home was? The future land of Baldimore, Germa was a science Kingdom. Whole point being that a bunch of people could have had the technology years ago and discovered how to feed inanimate objects devil fruits. The research was lost. Lineage factor research brought it back. The World Government banned it in fear, just like the renaming of the Devil Fruit. Crocodile was searching for Pluton because it was lost. They said Zunesha could not be found because it is not an island but rather a ship. A ship turned into an elephant link Funkfreed is a sword turned into an Elephant.

Now to Shiki and his asking Roger about the Ancient Weapon.
This was before Roger found Zou. This was also before the prophecy on Fishman Island. So the weapon Roger knew about was either Pluton or Uranus. Now guessing how it is, the strawhats have only not come across Uranus to our knowledge. They met Shirahoshi and Crocodile was searching for Pluton. I'd guess that the one Roger knew about was actually the one we never have awareness of coming across.
So it makes things;
Pluton - Strawhat Pirates
Poseidon - Roger Pirates, Strawhat Pirates
Uranus - Roger Pirates
 

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Every time you come back to MH, you get more and more toxic and consistently just fart up every thread with semantic hair-splitting. Then you leave for a few months, come back and start the cycle all over again. I'm not 'crying about' shit, I'm just tired of seeing one guy's ego smeared across every discussion. I'm pretty sure I'm far from the only person that's noticed this over the years. You taking your little sabbaticals is the best thing to happen to this place annually.
Sounds like oversensitivity if you get offended because of sarcasm or humour, What isn't toxic these days?

Before you had to call people retards to be offensive, but now, making a point is offensive, lol.
 
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