Chapter One Piece Chapter 1128 Discussion

[sarutobi_sensei]

Considering his Monsterpoint being the df‘s true/ awakened form?
Would be dope, hoping for his df to be a more surprising one, but I fear Chopper has just eaten the plain (vanilla) hito hito no Mi.

Yeah monster point likely is the awakened form, if he could add haki to his slaps and punches hot damn the strength. And ryou too? Imagine.

Anyway, spoilers are confusing.

 

[qazkurei]

its like tom and jerry moments again.. :-)

 

[electricmastro]

Considering his Monsterpoint being the df‘s true/ awakened form?
Would be dope, hoping for his df to be a more surprising one, but I fear Chopper has just eaten the plain (vanilla) hito hito no Mi.

That fear doesn't mean crap when Oda revealed Luffy had eaten a Zoan instead of a Paramecia.

That said, makes me wonder how much further he'll develop Chopper's attack set, as he has yet to make any such revelation with his fruit.

 

[Battle Wolf]

I dunno if Oda will make this with Chopper, you know, he is the medic of the crew, not an fighting style IMO.

 

[electricmastro]

I dunno if Oda will make this with Chopper, you know, he is the medic of the crew, not an fighting style IMO.

I can't help but laugh every time someone tries to make this sort of argument, even though Sanji is meant to be the cook, Franky is meant to be the shipwright, and Jinbe is meant to be the helmsman. Non-combative roles, yet they all have their times for attacking just the same.

I still can't forget how Oda had Chopper make a vow to help Luffy, even if he becomes a monster, and still continually has him transform into various attack-oriented forms.

I guess I'll put it like this: if it comes to the point that Luffy, Jinbe, Sanji, and Zoro will be the "only true fighters" of the crew, completing relegating the others like Chopper to completely non-combative support, then that will be quite the bitter pill to swallow. Until that comes though, I'll continue to keep in mind Oda potentially powering Chopper up further, so as to better support his captain, since I believe I have good reason to think so at this point.

 

[Grimzilla32]

Deer skull, could be Loki

 

[Battle Wolf]

I can't help but laugh every time someone tries to make this sort of argument, even though Sanji is meant to be the cook, Franky is meant to be the shipwright, and Jinbe is meant to be the helmsman. Non-combative roles, yet they all have their times for attacking just the same.

I still can't forget how Oda had Chopper make a vow to help Luffy, even if he becomes a monster, and still continually has him transform into various attack-oriented forms.

I guess I'll put it like this: if it comes to the point that Luffy, Jinbe, Sanji, and Zoro will be the "only true fighters" of the crew, completing relegating the others like Chopper to completely non-combative support, then that will be quite the bitter pill to swallow. Until that comes though, I'll continue to keep in mind Oda potentially powering Chopper up further, so as to better support his captain, since I believe I have good reason to think so at this point.

You're forgetting that they're already fighters (not necessary direct fighters) but have his own strenght to combat, Sanji (at least we know) have been modified by his dad, Franky have his power-ups through swapping his body parts, Jinbe is a master of fishman-karate style... And Chopper? He was an reindeer that eat a DF, you know, normal humans like Nami or Ussop don't have the necessary strenght to be the top tier of the crew, they can fight they own way but not even closer to the other member, even with power up... It's hard to swallow but it's the reality.

 

[electricmastro]

You're forgetting that they're already fighters (not necessary direct fighters) but have his own strenght to combat, Sanji (at least we know) have been modified by his dad, Franky have his power-ups through swapping his body parts, Jinbe is a master of fishman-karate style... And Chopper? He was an reindeer that eat a DF, you know, normal humans like Nami or Ussop don't have the necessary strenght to be the top tier of the crew, they can fight they own way but not even closer to the other member, even with power up... It's hard to swallow but it's the reality.

So you’re saying they might as well not even try?

I’m not saying they have to be top tier. Not being top tier is no excuse for Oda to give them power ups only to end up being lacking in their showcase.

Take Usopp’s Obaervation Haki for example, should he not bother developing that because he’s not the same as Jinbe or Zoro?

 

[animeangryfan4]

sigh
it may not be anything new to the OP media but i really dislike these trick and parnoia chapters. It will take us forever before things finally get better and at least have some sense. Right now this is just painful and a very bad start of an arc.
Now, we jsut have to wait and confirm if this is really Loki who are the False Sun God. Given that in real life of my scnadinavian mythology, Loki is a Trickster god then that would make sense. Almost too much.
And...are the spoilers implied the gang are running from a Giant? After getting thier head so big about beinga Yonko crew I thought running from a Giant would be impossible for Luffy.

 

[Battle Wolf]

So you’re saying they might as well not even try?

I’m not saying they have to be top tier. Not being top tier is not excuse for Oda to give them power ups only to end up being lacking in their showcase.

Take Usopp’s Obaervation Haki for example, should he not bother developing that because he’s not the same as Jinbe or Zoro?

No no, i'm noy saying this, i'm saying that i'm not seeing Chopper taking some power up in this stage of story, Ussop might, cause Elbaf is their goal since i remember, but is not Chopper goal, even when they separated, Chopper used his time to study new medicines in the library instead of training new attacks of gaining strenght, so, powering him up on Elbaf to do more damage, to me, is unnecessary.

 

[electricmastro]

No no, i'm noy saying this, i'm saying that i'm not seeing Chopper taking some power up in this stage of story, Ussop might, cause Elbaf is their goal since i remember, but is not Chopper goal, even when they separated, Chopper used his time to study new medicines in the library instead of training new attacks of gaining strenght, so, powering him up on Elbaf to do more damage, to me, is unnecessary.

Well that didn't stop more Vegapunk corpses from popping up at Egghead, so that I suppose is where we have to agree to disagree.

Any more back-up from Straw Hats like a more powered-up Chopper preventing more deaths like what happened to Atlas and Pythagoras would have been welcome.

As long as the threat of the Straw Hats ending up with corpses exists, then I'm all for giving them more firepower. Because I don't want the Straw Hats ending up with more corpses at Elbaf just as much as the next person doesn't.

 

[CharlosTenryuubito]

Why are people thinking that haki is a must have for everyone? for armament as example, why do you need armament if your attack in form of laser or thunderbolt?

 

[electricmastro]

Why are people thinking that haki is a must have for everyone? for armament as example, why do you need armament if your attack in form of laser or thunderbolt?

Everyone who doesn't want to end up with more corpses on their hands? Sure.

 

[Drakrami]

You're forgetting that they're already fighters (not necessary direct fighters) but have his own strenght to combat, Sanji (at least we know) have been modified by his dad, Franky have his power-ups through swapping his body parts, Jinbe is a master of fishman-karate style... And Chopper? He was an reindeer that eat a DF, you know, normal humans like Nami or Ussop don't have the necessary strenght to be the top tier of the crew, they can fight they own way but not even closer to the other member, even with power up... It's hard to swallow but it's the reality.

Pretty obvious Nami/Ussop/Chopper wont be top tier fighters in the manga. But your reasoning for it is just BS lol. Something about if a character is not modified or have a backstory they cant be strong or something...?

Conveniently leaving out Robin who is exactly the normal human you described but is a strong fighter in One Piece. Or Koby another normal human as you have described and is now approaching top tier.

 

[Bradhimself]

Why are people thinking that haki is a must have for everyone? for armament as example, why do you need armament if your attack in form of laser or thunderbolt?

Well, Kaido did kinda hype it up to be the thing that trumps everything else.

 

[electricmastro]

Pretty obvious Nami/Ussop/Chopper wont be top tier fighters in the manga. But your reasoning for it is just BS lol. Something about if a character is not modified or have a backstory they cant be strong or something...?

Conveniently leaving out Robin who is exactly the normal human you described but is a strong fighter in One Piece. Or Koby another normal human as you have described and is now approaching top tier.

Or Brook. He arguably hasn't fought as much as Chopper has, so maybe he's meant to be bottom tier alongside him, considering how he played second fiddle to Robin when facing Black Maria too.

 

[Trip_LLL]

I think to some degree people are overthinking this.
It's a shonen manga. Chopper is one of the main characters. He's going to need to be good enough for the end of series fight he will be slotted in for. He's going to be competent combat wise. At the moment, he's able to exchange a blow against Queen and get some blood flowing. This is more than many people can do. Yeah, he probably isn't going to penetrate upper half of the crew, but he's already in the upper percentage of pirates... At 17.

Also, come on. let's be real. Chopper has the highest Devil Fruit mastery of all regular zoans. That should be celebrated. What started off as a drug induced modification became a permanent one. No one else has access to a total of six forms, all with dramatically different functions, plus the psuedo-awakened. (Callling it psuedo-awakened due to the need for the rumble ball).

Or Brook. He arguably hasn't fought as much as Chopper has, so maybe he's meant to be bottom tier alongside him, considering how he played second fiddle to Robin when facing Black Maria too.

Brook. The crowd control, hallucination, high-speed attack, elemental conjurer, anti-soul combat specialist.
The man with the distinction of attacking Big Mom of his own initiative more than once, and cutting her soul. Who, when he was "playing second fiddle to Robin" took down a whole bunch of smile users and a giant with one attack.
This is the man you suggest is in the same "bottom" tier as Chopper?

Getting lost in the sauce man.

The way I see it, Brook is solidly in the specialist middle tier of the crew along with Franky and Robin. And you know what? Chopper should really be in the middle tier.

Right now, the bottom of the crew's most defining characteristic is their constant desire to cry and run away. Forget strength levels. Their antics are the greatest testament to their weakness. Chopper graduated from that long ago.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

I dunno if Oda will make this with Chopper, you know, he is the medic of the crew, not an fighting style IMO.

I see your point, but just remember Marco, being the ship‘s doctor and also one of the top fighters of the White Beard Pirates.

 

[Bradhimself]

I see your point, but just remember Marco, being the ship‘s doctor and also one of the top fighters of the White Beard Pirates.

I didn't know he was the ship's doctor!

Wasn't he a commander of one of Whitebeards divisions?

 

[Battle Wolf]

Well that didn't stop more Vegapunk corpses from popping up at Egghead, so that I suppose is where we have to agree to disagree.

Any more back-up from Straw Hats like a more powered-up Chopper preventing more deaths like what happened to Atlas and Pythagoras would have been welcome.

As long as the threat of the Straw Hats ending up with corpses exists, then I'm all for giving them more firepower. Because I don't want the Straw Hats ending up with more corpses at Elbaf just as much as the next person doesn't.

Being a good doctor means no death too, Remember when they give an medicine to Zoro so he can keep fighting... If the other doctor (don't remember his name) dont have the knowledge to make it, how zoro can keep fighting? That's my point, not that "Chopper dont deserve become more strong" he deserve, but considering his position in the crew, FOR ME, he suits more medical knowledge that help the crew to continue fighting.

Pretty obvious Nami/Ussop/Chopper wont be top tier fighters in the manga. But your reasoning for it is just BS lol. Something about if a character is not modified or have a backstory they cant be strong or something...?

Conveniently leaving out Robin who is exactly the normal human you described but is a strong fighter in One Piece. Or Koby another normal human as you have described and is now approaching top tier.

Robin is a strong fighter? Ok dude.

Or Brook. He arguably hasn't fought as much as Chopper has, so maybe he's meant to be bottom tier alongside him, considering how he played second fiddle to Robin when facing Black Maria too.

Brook has an OP DF in the case, as we know, he cannot die.

I see your point, but just remember Marco, being the ship‘s doctor and also one of the top fighters of the White Beard Pirates.

An mythical fruit makes him strong with healing abilities, but he's not the doctor.


I see all your points, comparing to others and etc... But we dont see Oda leveling everyone since timeskip, after this only individual characters get any kind of power up (Zoro with haki control and Enma, Sanji with his "awakening" abilities, Luffy with ACoC...) we are at the last part of manga... Dunno if is conveniently give a power up to someone who as not pretending to fight an "Queen" no more. Is just this.