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Depending on how much you want to read into the movies that Oda has input in, Lucci is comparable to Sabo on some level. But then the question from there is where you scale Sabo. I'd go ahead and say Lucci has the strength of a YC anyway.

Luffy has the fastest growth rate, but Lucci is also considered a genius in his own right was ascended to become the strongest CP9 agent in history. I wouldn't be surprised if he was capable of a significant spike in growth as well. Not on Luffy's level, but still respectable potentially.
 

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Lucci loses to:
CC
Moria
Pacifstas (the entire Straw Hate crew barely beat one yet you think Lucci can by himself?)
Mont D'or
Baby 5
Dellinger
Bellamy
Sai
Hardjun
Pre TS Law
Urouge could potentially win too.

Half of the NW pirates would massacre Lucci, anyone who can somewhat give Luffy a challenge scaled above a Pacifsta (and by extension Lucci) . Rob Lucci is on the same level as ES Luffy. Any prominent fighter in a Yonko or Doffy's crew can definitely handle someone who can't beat a pacifista. Even Bellamy was able to draw blood from Luffy despite Luffy using arms haki to defend.
Although I agree
Depending on how much you want to read into the movies that Oda has input in, Lucci is comparable to Sabo on some level. But then the question from there is where you scale Sabo. I'd go ahead and say Lucci has the strength of a YC anyway.

Luffy has the fastest growth rate, but Lucci is also considered a genius in his own right was ascended to become the strongest CP9 agent in history. I wouldn't be surprised if he was capable of a significant spike in growth as well. Not on Luffy's level, but still respectable potentially.
is that even canon?
 

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Lucci loses to:
CC
Moria
Pacifstas (the entire Straw Hate crew barely beat one yet you think Lucci can by himself?)
Mont D'or
Baby 5
Dellinger
Bellamy
Sai
Hardjun
Pre TS Law
Urouge could potentially win too.

Half of the NW pirates would massacre Lucci, anyone who can somewhat give Luffy a challenge scaled above a Pacifsta (and by extension Lucci) . Rob Lucci is on the same level as ES Luffy. Any prominent fighter in a Yonko or Doffy's crew can definitely handle someone who can't beat a pacifista. Even Bellamy was able to draw blood from Luffy despite Luffy using arms haki to defend.
CC - i mentioned if he was tangible Pre TS Lucci would kill him/ if Lucci had CoA back then.
Moria - he gave Gear 2/3 Luffy a challenge in Thriller Bark but Moria did not push Luffy as much as Lucci did. I honestly believe Lucci could defeat Moria mid/high Diff
Pacifistas - okay that is a tough one, but I think even Pre TS Luffy could defeat one by himself but it would have been a long high diff battle where it could go 50/50
Baby 5 and Dellinger - They were pretty pathetic in my eyes, Im surprised Dellinger was able to beat Bellamy somehow. But either way both of them showed nothing of sort that makes them powerful, they had no haki, speed was low, strength not great just low level fighters.
Bellamy - got one hit KO'd by a base punch with CoA from Luffy, that was pretty lame.
Hajrudin - he also got one hit KO'd by Luffy
Pre TS Law and Urouge - If Gear 2 Luffy had a log drawn high diff battle with Lucci, do you think Law has the stamina to keep up? You may mention Room but Lucci is fast enough to dodge Law's sword and I dont think Law would be fast enough to dodge Lucci. Urouge maybe but hes all strength, I doubt Urouge could have defeated Luffy or even Moria so Im not giving the W to Urouge.

People think because its the NW, individuals who are there are automatically stronger than the ones from the Paradise, which is normally true but not certain. Some of the pirates in the NW have shown a poor performance not NW quality. But those are the ones who are in the lowest part of the ladders in their respective crews.
 

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is that even canon?
Like I said, it depends on how much you want to consider Oda's involvement. They fought in Stampede, which was the same film that officially revealed the proper name of Laugh Tale.

Scratch that. I thought they fought in Stampede. It was Film Gold they fought in. Oda wasn't apart of that one.
 
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Depending on how much you want to read into the movies that Oda has input in, Lucci is comparable to Sabo on some level. But then the question from there is where you scale Sabo. I'd go ahead and say Lucci has the strength of a YC anyway.

Luffy has the fastest growth rate, but Lucci is also considered a genius in his own right was ascended to become the strongest CP9 agent in history. I wouldn't be surprised if he was capable of a significant spike in growth as well. Not on Luffy's level, but still respectable potentially.
I'm fine with Lucci having a growth-spurt. There's ways to write that in. The guy was seen as some invincible genius among geniuses. The ideal thing would be he gets defeated unexpectedly, self-reflects and trains his ass off so it never happens again.

I'd be annoyed if we had to see another Luffy vs Lucci though. I like to think that once Luffy beats someone, he's above them for the most part. Would be cool to see Sanji or something fend off Lucci this time around, and perhaps Brook takes out Kaku since he's another sword user (and he's not super worn down compared to the other SHP atm).

I'd love to see Brook, and Usopp shine against CP0.
 

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Yeah, wherever he lands strength wise, Lucci is probably not getting another go at Luffy.
 

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Yeah, wherever he lands strength wise, Lucci is probably not getting another go at Luffy.
We may never know.

I think Lucci would want to get a rematch.

But yea, don't think he's going to be Luffy level, Luffy is already admiral tier IMO. Maybe he'll be around Zoro tier when.
 

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CC - i mentioned if he was tangible Pre TS Lucci would kill him/ if Lucci had CoA back then.
Moria - he gave Gear 2/3 Luffy a challenge in Thriller Bark but Moria did not push Luffy as much as Lucci did. I honestly believe Lucci could defeat Moria mid/high Diff
Pacifistas - okay that is a tough one, but I think even Pre TS Luffy could defeat one by himself but it would have been a long high diff battle where it could go 50/50
Baby 5 and Dellinger - They were pretty pathetic in my eyes, Im surprised Dellinger was able to beat Bellamy somehow. But either way both of them showed nothing of sort that makes them powerful, they had no haki, speed was low, strength not great just low level fighters.
Bellamy - got one hit KO'd by a base punch with CoA from Luffy, that was pretty lame.
Hajrudin - he also got one hit KO'd by Luffy
Pre TS Law and Urouge - If Gear 2 Luffy had a log drawn high diff battle with Lucci, do you think Law has the stamina to keep up? You may mention Room but Lucci is fast enough to dodge Law's sword and I dont think Law would be fast enough to dodge Lucci. Urouge maybe but hes all strength, I doubt Urouge could have defeated Luffy or even Moria so Im not giving the W to Urouge.

People think because its the NW, individuals who are there are automatically stronger than the ones from the Paradise, which is normally true but not certain. Some of the pirates in the NW have shown a poor performance not NW quality. But those are the ones who are in the lowest part of the ladders in their respective crews.
CC - I know you said Lucci could still hit him, but he loses regardless. Attacks like gastanet and burning slash are probably KO'ing Lucci, while Ceasar was able to take blows from Punk Hazard Luffy. Lucci not being able to get in close because of oxygen removal is the cherry on top.

Moria - Please, most of the damage done to Moria was done by Nightmare Luffy, the strongest version of pre-time skip Luffy by far. When it was regular Luffy vs Moria he mostly just knocked the shadows out of him. Moria was able to fight against one of Whitebeard's commanders and was able to get up after taking a blow from Jinbei.

Pacifsta - No, Luffy would have lost. The ENTIRE strawhat crew damn near had a high-dif fight against one yet you think Luffy alone is beating one? Cmon now, let's be sensible. Even Law, Kidd, and both of their crews had to team up to beat one. Luffy gets rolled on his own.

Baby 5 - She was able to hold her own against Sai, who is above Lucci.

Dellinger - He beat Bellamy pretty easily and steam-rolled multiple alliance members.

Bellamy - So what if he lost to Luffy. This version of Luffy is one hitting Lucci, meanwhile, I don't know if Lucci is getting through Luffy's haki like Bellamy.

Hajrudin - Once again, the version of Luffy he lost to is wiping the floor with Lucci. Hajrudin was able to beat one of Doffy's top commanders which involved a feat of him sending a man who weighs 10,000 tonnes flying.

Any top fighter in a prominent figures crew will most likely smoke characters who can't even stand up to Pacifstas. Pre ts Luffy and Lucci by extension ain't much in the NW. There's a reason he had to go train. People forget how potent haki is against people who can't use them. All of Enel's crew was damn near unhittable to characters on paradise because they knew standard observation. The ago between note-worthy paradise and new world pirates are huge.
 

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We may never know.

I think Lucci would want to get a rematch.

But yea, don't think he's going to be Luffy level, Luffy is already admiral tier IMO. Maybe he'll be around Zoro tier when.
 

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Honestly, seems pretty dumb to automatically write Lucci off as not being strong enough to fight Luffy, especially given that characters can actually get significantly stronger over time. If Luffy gained so much strength from his fight against Lucci to now, why can't Lucci do the same?
 

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Lucci is surely stronger than Who’s Who’s…So that would make him commander lv;

Honestly, seems pretty dumb to automatically write Lucci off as not being strong enough to fight Luffy, especially given that characters can actually get significantly stronger over time. If Luffy gained so much strength from his fight against Lucci to now, why can't Lucci do the same?
Consistency on how Oda writes his story. Ppl are just spouting their feelings. From how Oda writes his story it’s very very unlikely
 

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Honestly, seems pretty dumb to automatically write Lucci off as not being strong enough to fight Luffy, especially given that characters can actually get significantly stronger over time. If Luffy gained so much strength from his fight against Lucci to now, why can't Lucci do the same?
I get the logic, but Luffy's growth is far too high compared to the rest. He was also trained by Rayleigh during timeskip. Immediately after timeskip, Luffy was Doflamingo level, which is YC 2 tier. After which, he developed advanced observation haki vs Katakuri, and advanced armament haki as well as coating of conqueror's haki in Wano, and is now probably admiral tier.
Hard to believe Lucci can replicate this growth.

Zoro also had insane growth rate, with being trained by the best swordsman in the verse, and getting Oden's sword. He also probably unknowingly awakened conquereor's haki and coat it by accident in Wano, considering he managed to give a good injury to Kaido.

These two had insane growth during the timeskip, as well as in the arcs since then,

To emphasize how insane their growth was, let's compare Zoro and Sanji pre timeskip and post timeskip
Pre timeskip, Zoro and Sanji were somewhat close, with Zoro strong enough to maybe high diff him.
But post timeskip, the gap between them widened a lot, Only now is Sanji closing the gap again, and for that he needed germa suit + his biology changing due to Judge's shenanigans.

Sanji had good training, but somewhat tame training compared to what Luffy and Zoro had. And it was shown in the wide gap between Zoro and Sanji post timeskip, until Germa suit + Germa biology started kicking in


Lucci was strong enough to be slightly above Luffy pre timeskip. There is no way Lucci trained like Luffy or Zoro did. Assuming a high growth rate, he would be around current Zoro level at best
 

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Dammit, now I'm salty about the Flying Six again. They really deserved better. At least Ulti and Mariah were treated well.
 

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Consistency on how Oda writes his story. Ppl are just spouting their feelings. From how Oda writes his story it’s very very unlikely
"consistency" is a horrible reason, and it annoys me when Hannibal Psyche uses this as a reason, despite Oda willing to be inconsistent when needed or wanted. Consistency makes for boredom, and I'm sure Oda doesn't want that.
I get the logic, but Luffy's growth is far too high compared to the rest. He was also trained by Rayleigh during timeskip. Immediately after timeskip, Luffy was Doflamingo level, which is YC 2 tier. After which, he developed advanced observation haki vs Katakuri, and advanced armament haki as well as coating of conqueror's haki in Wano, and is now probably admiral tier.
Hard to believe Lucci can replicate this growth.

Zoro also had insane growth rate, with being trained by the best swordsman in the verse, and getting Oden's sword. He also probably unknowingly awakened conquereor's haki and coat it by accident in Wano, considering he managed to give a good injury to Kaido.

These two had insane growth during the timeskip, as well as in the arcs since then,

To emphasize how insane their growth was, let's compare Zoro and Sanji pre timeskip and post timeskip
Pre timeskip, Zoro and Sanji were somewhat close, with Zoro strong enough to maybe high diff him.
But post timeskip, the gap between them widened a lot, Only now is Sanji closing the gap again, and for that he needed germa suit + his biology changing due to Judge's shenanigans.

Sanji had good training, but somewhat tame training compared to what Luffy and Zoro had. And it was shown in the wide gap between Zoro and Sanji post timeskip, until Germa suit + Germa biology started kicking in


Lucci was strong enough to be slightly above Luffy pre timeskip. There is no way Lucci trained like Luffy or Zoro did. Assuming a high growth rate, he would be around current Zoro level at best
I get that, but that doesn't mean Lucci's or other characters' can't have a similar growth. We don't know what Lucci did after his loss, other than the cover story, so for all we know he could have had one of the strongest Marines training him, like Sengoku. All I"m saying is that there's a possibility, and that we shouldn't discount it just because we don't think it's possible. Crocodile somehow went from losing to Luffy from a punch to enduring more damage in the war despite being locked up for a long enough time.
 

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CC - I know you said Lucci could still hit him, but he loses regardless. Attacks like gastanet and burning slash are probably KO'ing Lucci, while Ceasar was able to take blows from Punk Hazard Luffy. Lucci not being able to get in close because of oxygen removal is the cherry on top.

Moria - Please, most of the damage done to Moria was done by Nightmare Luffy, the strongest version of pre-time skip Luffy by far. When it was regular Luffy vs Moria he mostly just knocked the shadows out of him. Moria was able to fight against one of Whitebeard's commanders and was able to get up after taking a blow from Jinbei.

Pacifsta - No, Luffy would have lost. The ENTIRE strawhat crew damn near had a high-dif fight against one yet you think Luffy alone is beating one? Cmon now, let's be sensible. Even Law, Kidd, and both of their crews had to team up to beat one. Luffy gets rolled on his own.

Baby 5 - She was able to hold her own against Sai, who is above Lucci.

Dellinger - He beat Bellamy pretty easily and steam-rolled multiple alliance members.

Bellamy - So what if he lost to Luffy. This version of Luffy is one hitting Lucci, meanwhile, I don't know if Lucci is getting through Luffy's haki like Bellamy.

Hajrudin - Once again, the version of Luffy he lost to is wiping the floor with Lucci. Hajrudin was able to beat one of Doffy's top commanders which involved a feat of him sending a man who weighs 10,000 tonnes flying.

Any top fighter in a prominent figures crew will most likely smoke characters who can't even stand up to Pacifstas. Pre ts Luffy and Lucci by extension ain't much in the NW. There's a reason he had to go train. People forget how potent haki is against people who can't use them. All of Enel's crew was damn near unhittable to characters on paradise because they knew standard observation. The ago between note-worthy paradise and new world pirates are huge.
What separates NW Pirates & others from the earlier half of the grand line is that they are stronger Pirates, more than likely under a Yonkou’s crew or the knowledge & usage Haki.

Pre TS Luffy with G2 has hurt and defeated Haki users pre TS.

So we forgot about Coby’s growth?!
Lucci is def above Who’s Who’s. Maybe nigh admiral lv. But no way can he be Yonkou lv
 
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To me it's a pretty big stretch that current lucci is anywhere even near admiral level or YC1-3. That would amount to a growth rate comparable to luffy's... To me it makes sense that lucci's growth has been closer to smoker's than to luffy's. Probably about comparable to the VAs (the ones that weren't candidates for admiral at least).
 

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To me it's a pretty big stretch that current lucci is anywhere even near admiral level or YC1-3. That would amount to a growth rate comparable to luffy's... To me it makes sense that lucci's growth has been closer to smoker's than to luffy's. Probably about comparable to the VAs (the ones that weren't candidates for admiral at least).
All we need is for Lucci to make Zoro wince one time and we'll have people scaling him to Yonko level so we just gotta wait 😂
 

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All we need is for Lucci to make Zoro wince one time and we'll have people scaling him to Yonko level so we just gotta wait 😂
Did people do that to Apoo when he knocked out Luffy*?


* IF HE KNOCKED OUT LUFFY, BEFORE ANNOYING FANS GET UP MY ASS FOR NOT REMEMBERING CORRECTLY
 

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Did people do that to Apoo when he knocked out Luffy*?


* IF HE KNOCKED OUT LUFFY, BEFORE ANNOYING FANS GET UP MY ASS FOR NOT REMEMBERING CORRECTLY
Yes they did lol
 
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