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Does anyone else find "Wano", the country of samurai disappointing? For a country the marines don't want to touch it's been a very poor showing. Perhaps if the country was fed and healthy they would seem better but the strongest power should be Asura Doji, Denjiro Kiku and Kawamatsu.

I'll do a better analysis after the whole arc and the reread but even with their geographical advantage they don't seem too capable without a Ryuuma or Oden level figure. Perhaps I'm overestimating the marines while underestimating them but we'll see how it goes.
 

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Does anyone else find "Wano", the country of samurai disappointing? For a country the marines don't want to touch it's been a very poor showing. Perhaps if the country was fed and healthy they would seem better but the strongest power should be Asura Doji, Denjiro Kiku and Kawamatsu.

I'll do a better analysis after the whole arc and the reread but even with their geographical advantage they don't seem too capable without a Ryuuma or Oden level figure. Perhaps I'm overestimating the marines while underestimating them but we'll see how it goes.
I get where you are coming from, but it depends on if the information Marines have is up to date.

If they are going off from the legend of Ryuma, then there is all the reason as to why Marines haven't invaded Wano.

20 years ago, Wano still had tremendous power in the form of Oden.

After Oden's death, there is Kaido in Wano at all times. Even though he isn't a Samurai, Marines still can't get in. Since information doesn't pass into or out of Wano, Marines really have no idea of which power is ruling Wano (remember that from the outside, Orochi is the Shogun....while Kaido is supposed to be his support).

But even with no Kaido, we have the scabbards. Out of all the countries SHs have visited, Wano has the strongest fighters overall. They have multiple YC level fighters who are still alive. But like you said, Wano has been weakened for 20 years due to Orochi and Kaido.

Elbaf on the other hand is something I am looking forward to. Apparently, they have the largest/strongest military force in the world (iirc).
 

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Does anyone else find "Wano", the country of samurai disappointing? For a country the marines don't want to touch it's been a very poor showing. Perhaps if the country was fed and healthy they would seem better but the strongest power should be Asura Doji, Denjiro Kiku and Kawamatsu.

I'll do a better analysis after the whole arc and the reread but even with their geographical advantage they don't seem too capable without a Ryuuma or Oden level figure. Perhaps I'm overestimating the marines while underestimating them but we'll see how it goes.
The marines don’t watch to touch wano because of the unknown
They don’t know how strong or weak it is and it’s well isolated
And honestly if oden was still alive I’d understand completely
Imagine oden + scabbards and the all the samurai Allies , that’s a force that could defeat a yonkou in combat , and now kaido is there
It’s not really worth it if goes wrong
The marines only go all out when they absolutely have to
Again just because the marines could probably body a yonkou in a war , is it worth the cost of throwing off all the balance , or potentially getting them to ally up to face off against them ? Nope
 

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Lol why can’t he? Imo there is a gap between yc2 and YC1

example kaido can mid diff YC1
Kaido can low diff yc2 luffy imo was inbetween yc2-yc1 lvl at that time.

law currently is yc1+ lvl back at the beginning of wano was yc2 lvl like I said imo that 2 week TS was a huge boost for every1
By your own logic, Kaido low-mid diff'd beginning of Wano Luffy since he was borderline YC1

But nah, it was a one shot, no diff. In his base

Like I said, outlier
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Does anyone else find "Wano", the country of samurai disappointing? For a country the marines don't want to touch it's been a very poor showing. Perhaps if the country was fed and healthy they would seem better but the strongest power should be Asura Doji, Denjiro Kiku and Kawamatsu.

I'll do a better analysis after the whole arc and the reread but even with their geographical advantage they don't seem too capable without a Ryuuma or Oden level figure. Perhaps I'm overestimating the marines while underestimating them but we'll see how it goes.
They do have 7 characters (discounting 2 minks) who range from YC2-YC4 levels.
Characters like peak Hyogoro, Shimotsuki Ushimaru etc also seem like YC tier characters

If you add in Oden and the samurai forces, peak Wano is basically a Yonko + his fleet level force.

So, invading Wano is basically like invading WCI, a Yonko force in their home turf. Plus it being near unreachable due to it's geography.

Right now, Oden replaced by Kaido. An even bigger threat!

Yeah, it makes perfect sense that nobody Fs with Wano lol
 

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Wano was protected By Ryuma 800+ years ago….

Then Oden another special individual…After Oden’s demise you have an outsider Kaido…

Marines was not approaching..Aside from Oden other strong Samurai were in the country

I don't think anyone on that roof (Big Mom excluded) is withstanding a CoC infused attack.
I get where your coming from.

However Luffy was already fighting sustaining blows before he received the 8 Trigrams K.O

Zoro broke all his bones stoppping 2 Yonkou’s attack before he was put down.

Law did survive by defending with his DF ability “Curtain”

ACoC surely will give you a K.O but I’ll say at least 2 attacks are needed for YC1 to go down.
 

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I don't think anyone on that roof (Big Mom excluded) is withstanding a CoC infused attack.
Pretty sure Law took a COC infused Thunder Bagua irrc.
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Kaido is significantly weakened and burnt out
Kaido's power has dropped, Yamato has confirmed this but you're overstating it. The fact him and Luffy split the sky means Kaido is still probably operating at an extremely high level.
 

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Does anyone else find "Wano", the country of samurai disappointing? For a country the marines don't want to touch it's been a very poor showing. Perhaps if the country was fed and healthy they would seem better but the strongest power should be Asura Doji, Denjiro Kiku and Kawamatsu.

I'll do a better analysis after the whole arc and the reread but even with their geographical advantage they don't seem too capable without a Ryuuma or Oden level figure. Perhaps I'm overestimating the marines while underestimating them but we'll see how it goes.
Not really, when you think about the effect that Kaidou and Orochi had on the country, especially given their fear of a powerful samurai rising again. Plus as someone said, outdated information on Wano, and Kaidou being there would certainly make anyone wary, given Wano was likely super powerful back then.
 
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