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Yet he faints hard when it comes to Killer and couldn't take out Hawkins and Kyoshiro, but your convince he is 'Admiral' lvl? You really want to use a non-canon movie to say he is Admiral? You do realize Luffy defeated those he shouldn't like right now with Shiki, Zephyr, and now Bullet and by that logic he should be Yonko lvl or already more than enough for many characters, but yet he still struggles and loses especially Kaido by one-shot and barely beat Katakuri. So yeah, not gonna use movies as evidence as power scaling when they don't make sense. It's all for show and entertainment, not for what it's like in manga right now.
The best part of it is that you know very well that Zoro clashed 2 times with Fujitora in manga and didnt faint once. :hip
Doing the same in the movie is nothing new, it already happened in canon environment.
 

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If Zoro's feats are great I'll personally be counting them as canon.
According to source's comments Zoro goes all out but he mentions nothing about Asura or something new that is result of two years training so our boy is still holding back. :smile-big
 

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No surprise Zoro Dai Senpai continues to impress, what a man

Sanji on the other hand is out of the monster trio, and not surprised at all. Being trained by Okamas is different than being trained by Mihawk, deal with it

Guess Jinbe will be the new member of the monster trio
 

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No surprise Zoro Dai Senpai continues to impress, what a man

Sanji on the other hand is out of the monster trio, and not surprised at all. Being trained by Okamas is different than being trained by Mihawk, deal with it

Guess Jinbe will be the new member of the monster trio
It is sad for Sanji fandom but it was obvious. The suspense of Jinbe could mean that Oda plans to do something with Sanji to keep him in M3 but I dont see what for now. Sanji will grow in Wano and Jinbe remains the same if he doesnt participate.
 

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No surprise Zoro Dai Senpai continues to impress, what a man

Sanji on the other hand is out of the monster trio, and not surprised at all. Being trained by Okamas is different than being trained by Mihawk, deal with it

Guess Jinbe will be the new member of the monster trio
Ivankov is the Head of Commanders of RA and Sanji is only one among Trio to defeat their own Teacher as it was heavily hinted on due to needed all recipes on the island and must defeat the Masters of them. These aren't no joke especially him with the importance of RA for series.

He fighting with Lucci and Smoker? How's that bad and out him out of Trio? Lucci is as strong as Sabo if we are going by movie aspects as they fought evenly last movie. Sabo is shown to fight with a Admiral pretty well in the series. For Sanji to fight Lucci is pretty amazing.

Jimbei hasn't shown anything at all in NW to put him in there it even stronger than Monster Trio (Though actually Zoro might be under after his performance in Wano right now especially between the 2, Jimbei got more durability and stamina than him). Idk where you getting at along using non-canon movie on power scaling when it's all for show and entertainment while manga is true source of what's going on.
 
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Ivankov is the Head of Commanders of RA and Sanji is only one among Trio to defeat their own Teacher as it was heavily hinted on due to needed all recipes on the island and must defeat the Masters of them. These aren't no joke especially him with the importance of RA for series.

He fighting with Lucci and Smoker? How's that bad and out him out of Trio? Lucci is as strong as Sabo if we are going by movie aspects as they fought evenly last movie. Sabo is shown to fight with a Admiral pretty well in the series. For Sanji to fight Lucci is pretty amazing.

Jimbei hasn't shown anything at all in NW to put him in there it even stronger than Monster Trio (Though actually Zoro might be under after his performance in Wano right now especially between the 2, Jimbei got more durability and stamina than him). Idk where you getting at along using non-canon movie on power scaling when it's all for show and entertainment while manga is true source of what's going on.
Dude Iva got 1 shot by an admiral while Ray-san is equal or above an admiral and Mihawk is above a yonou BIG DIFFERENCE!

He is fighting them 1 at a time, no one in the movie is fighting multiple people except for Bullet who fought 5th yonkou, 2nd in command of RA, CP0, ex shichibukai and a GOD!

When will you stop with your nonsense of trolling and talking BS while talking up Sanji and forgetting what makes Sanji great?
You trolling at every turn makes people hate Sanji on this threads when will you see this?
 

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Dude Iva got 1 shot by an admiral while Ray-san is equal or above an admiral and Mihawk is above a yonou BIG DIFFERENCE!

He is fighting them 1 at a time, no one in the movie is fighting multiple people except for Bullet who fought 5th yonkou, 2nd in command of RA, CP0, ex shichibukai and a GOD!

When will you stop with your nonsense of trolling and talking BS while talking up Sanji and forgetting what makes Sanji great?
You trolling at every turn makes people hate Sanji on this threads when will you see this?
Wasn't compare the all 3 in a fight, talking that Ivankov is stronger than he looks. Ivan also bested against Kuma who Strawhats couldn't withstand each time they face him. Mihawk isn't above Yonko. We know he is equal with Shanks, but no proof if he is stronger if they tie a lot. That goes with other Yonko too as doubt Mihawk is stronger than Whitebeard (Didn't Mihawk couldn't even get past his Division Leaders? How Mihawk stronger?), Kaido, Big Mom, and possibly BB with his new abilities.

I know. Though still for Sanji to able fight off with Lucci is big feat if we are going 'movie logic'. He equals with Sabo so that is impressive on Sanji.

Nah, just stating the facts. Only you doing that on your end right now. Besides nothing to be serious on. Not taking it serious since end of the day this movie is non-canon. We shouldn't waste time seeing it as 'legit' when we know manga is the canon. Just saying.
 

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Mihawk isn't above Yonko.
Ill ignore the other BS you said and address this, Oda has already stated Mihawk is stronger!
Mihawk is hoping Zoro can beat/surpass Shanks so he can be a challenge for him, please stop talking BS and think before you post!

p.s if you didnt get what i just said, since Oda says Mihawk is stronger than Shanks this means Mihawk is greater and stronger than a yonkou
 

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Ill ignore the other BS you said and address this, Oda has already stated Mihawk is stronger!
Mihawk is hoping Zoro can beat/surpass Shanks so he can be a challenge for him, please stop talking BS and think before you post!

p.s if you didnt get what i just said, since Oda says Mihawk is stronger than Shanks this means Mihawk is greater and stronger than a yonkou
When was this stated?
 

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Ivankov is the Head of Commanders of RA and Sanji is only one among Trio to defeat their own Teacher as it was heavily hinted on due to needed all recipes on the island and must defeat the Masters of them. These aren't no joke especially him with the importance of RA for series.

He fighting with Lucci and Smoker? How's that bad and out him out of Trio? Lucci is as strong as Sabo if we are going by movie aspects as they fought evenly last movie. Sabo is shown to fight with a Admiral pretty well in the series. For Sanji to fight Lucci is pretty amazing.

Jimbei hasn't shown anything at all in NW to put him in there it even stronger than Monster Trio (Though actually Zoro might be under after his performance in Wano right now especially between the 2, Jimbei got more durability and stamina than him). Idk where you getting at along using non-canon movie on power scaling when it's all for show and entertainment while manga is true source of what's going on.
Commander of VA means nothing compared to strongest swordsman in the world and first mate of Roger.

Jinbe at least was more impressive during WCI and did more than Sanji ever did since the NW, this is a fact. Canon feats easily favor Zoro Dai Senpai and Jinbe, and not Sanji, these are the facts. This movie is the nail in the coffin for Sanji
 

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Commander of VA means nothing compared to strongest swordsman in the world and first mate of Roger.

Jinbe at least was more impressive during WCI and did more than Sanji ever did since the NW, this is a fact. Canon feats easily favor Zoro Dai Senpai and Jinbe, and not Sanji, these are the facts. This movie is the nail in the coffin for Sanji
RA are very notorious, so it does mean something especially Ivankov has more achievements than that. Also doesn't mean Luffy and especially Zoro are at that lvl. Teachers are teachers, not them. How Oda portray Monster Trio has been quite different.

Like what? Only thing he did was beat the cream guy and share opponent with Sanji who they were playing around like it was kickball. Not counting Yonko strike as Big Mom was unaffected. Jimbei done nothing to put him as or over strong than others except maybe Zoro as his performance in Wano hasn't been stellar unlike Sanji who defeated PO and handle Drake off if we are going by recent canon performance.

Movie is non-canon. If you taking it canon than explains why Zoro never defeated Hawkins and Kyoshiro if he can 'take' on Admiral. He also tied with Killer too and fainted and thus ended his durability he no longer has. Doesn't make sense especially Luffy taking on Bullet who said to be strong as Rayleigh. If Luffy that strong, why he barely survive Katakuri and lost easily to Kaido? Plus Sanji fighting Lucci too so by 'movie logic' he nows equal Sabo who last movie fought evenly with Lucci. Don't see how this make Sanji looks bad. It makes him even better. Trying too hard on your 'opinion' as fact.

Movies are for show and entertainment. Oda knows that as if he add movie stories canon would make plot holes. Manga is true scaling is at.
 
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RA are very notorious, so it does mean something especially Ivankov has more achievements than that. Also doesn't mean Luffy and especially Zoro are at that lvl. Teachers are teachers, not them. How Oda portray Monster Trio has been quite different.
Are you saying Oda is lying?
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When was this stated?
viver card databook
 

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Are you saying Oda is lying?
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viver card databook
Can you share the link
 

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Might be this?
Not sure I can take this as Mihawk being stronger than a Yonko, but I have no doubt Mihawk can duke it out with any Yonko 1vs1
 

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Not sure I can take this as Mihawk being stronger than a Yonko, but I have no doubt Mihawk can duke it out with any Yonko 1vs1
So it doesn't mean he is stronger than a Yonkou... That is all I wanted to see. Him being as strong has always been a prediction on this forum.

Cheers for the link
 

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Not sure I can take this as Mihawk being stronger than a Yonko, but I have no doubt Mihawk can duke it out with any Yonko 1vs1
That means probably strongest when it comes to his sword, but not overall strongest that he us stronger than a Yonko. That make no sense given how 2 of Whitebeard's Division Captain could stop him and hold him off despite 'stronger' than a Yonko. Think it's misconception other reading it. Especially he ties with Shanks. Gives hint he could be close or equal if he uses his weapon, but doubt he is stronger than all of them.
 

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Mihawk is not Yonko level.

Does Shanks only have his sword on his arsenal? We have seen people like Garp who are crazy strong with his fists alone, or using weird abilities that are not Devil Fruit users.

Strongest Swordman:

Mihawk can be the Strongest Swordman without being the strongest man. If Kaido held a sword on his hand for a few seconds, would be momentarily be the Strongest Swordman? Big Mom, Aokiji and a few others also use swords, is Mihawk stronger than them? Mihawk admitted that Whitebeard was stronger than him, despite Whitebeard using a bladed weapon. "Strongest Swordman" would be a shitty title if the only reason he had it was because Whitebeard's weapon was technically not a sword. Being the Strongest Swordman only means Mihawk would defeated anyone in a combat of bladed weapons.

Exibit A: The Admirals and Yonko are stronger than the Shichibukai

We have several instances which the Yonko or Admirals were implied to be superior to the Shichibukai. There were multiple instances which we were told that Luffy must surpass the Yonko and Admirals to become Pirate King.





The Admirals are called the World Government's greatest military power. This means they are stronger than the Shichibukai and Cipher Pol.


Exibit B: Mihawk vs Vista

Marco trusted Vista could handle Mihawk. And indeed Vista fought equally with Mihawk.



The databooks confirm Vista was not behind Mihawk.

"Vista showed his swordmanship which is equal to superior to Mihawk's in this fight."


Exibit C: Mihawk's own words

Mihawk told Luffy becoming Pirate King is harder than surpassing even him, because there are people even stronger than him. As we were told a few times already, in order to become Pirate King you must overcome the Yonko and Admirals.


According to Garp, the Yonko are the strongest pirates, along with Whitebeard. This implies the Yonko are somewhat close in strength. Mihawk admitted Whitebeard was stronger than him in Marineford, and that he wanted to see how big the difference between them was.


 
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Screenshots are out, will post them soon!

if i get enough likes :)
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Mihawk is not Yonko level.

Does Shanks only have his sword on his arsenal? We have seen people like Garp who are crazy strong with his fists alone, or using weird abilities that are not Devil Fruit users.

Strongest Swordman:

Mihawk can be the Strongest Swordman without being the strongest man. If Kaido held a sword on his hand for a few seconds, would be momentarily be the Strongest Swordman? Big Mom, Aokiji and a few others also use swords, is Mihawk stronger than them? Mihawk admitted that Whitebeard was stronger than him, despite Whitebeard using a bladed weapon. "Strongest Swordman" would be a shitty title if the only reason he had it was because Whitebeard's weapon was technically not a sword. Being the Strongest Swordman only means Mihawk would defeated anyone in a combat of bladed weapons.

Exibit A: The Admirals and Yonko are stronger than the Shichibukai

We have several instances which the Yonko or Admirals were implied to be superior to the Shichibukai. There were multiple instances which we were told that Luffy must surpass the Yonko and Admirals to become Pirate King.





The Admirals are called the World Government's greatest military power. This means they are stronger than the Shichibukai and Cipher Pol.


Exibit B: Mihawk vs Vista

Marco trusted Vista could handle Mihawk. And indeed Vista fought equally with Mihawk.



The databooks confirm Vista was not behind Mihawk.

"Vista showed his swordmanship which is equal to superior to Mihawk's in this fight."


Exibit C: Mihawk's own words

Mihawk told Luffy becoming Pirate King is harder than surpassing even him, because there are people even stronger than him. As we were told a few times already, in order to become Pirate King you must overcome the Yonko and Admirals.


According to Garp, the Yonko are the strongest pirates, along with Whitebeard. This implies the Yonko are somewhat close in strength. Mihawk admitted Whitebeard was stronger than him in Marineford, and that he wanted to see how big the difference between them was.


Funny how Oda says Mihawk is stronger and hopping Zoro can surpass his old rival so he can be strong enough to challenge him, but you refute this because you dont want Mihawk to be strong, man your whole argument is a joke and shows the level of denial and lack of plot and story understanding on your part.
Im so disappointed in you, given your understanding of the story was starting to improve since 2016 but looks like you relapsed to being ignorant and spreading lies and fake facts!
 
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