Canon PTS Monster Trio vs Aokiji

[Pirate Queen]

You know what it is...

 

[nik87]

Pre-ts? They get their asses frozen back to the ice age.
Post-ts? They still get their asses frozen but put up a good fight.

 

[Takuan]

Pre-timeskip isn't a contest, so i'm assuming yu're talking about Post timeskip.
I believe Aokiji loses against the Monster Trio post timeskip.

 

[afromarco005]

Luffy is the strongest of Aokiji's opponents here.

His gear 4th is the strongest thing the group have in their arsenal, but even that couldn't make big mom flinch.
His greatest endurance feat is WCI which includes 10+ hours fights while Aokiji can fight for 10 days straight.

Armament Haki wise, Aokiji is very likely superior as he could badly injure sakazuki whereas marco and whitebeard's haki specialists couldn't.

There is also a big chance that Aokiji posesses the same technique/observation haki as Katakuri where he opens up holes where he is about to be hit to nullify damage.

when it comes to DF powers, Aokiji has one of the strongest fruits in the verse he can even permanently change a medium sized island's weather when he gets serious. His ice attacks can freeze, cut or trap limbs easily.
He can make the floor slippery, make spikes come out of it etc
He can also make infinite ice weapons that are only limited by his imagination and imbue them with haki.

Zoro is physically strong but he has nothing on Aokiji and even without tricks and just ice weapons I dont see him besting or injuring the former admiral.
Even if he is a tank there is no way that zoro can survive for up to 10 days of fighting at subzero temperatures heck in punk hazard he had trouble with the cold.

Sanji is the weakest of the 3 and unless his fire or raid suit tricks help him melt the ice (which I highly doubt it can) then he is the first to go down.

Sanji is the smartest fighter so he could try to find some sort of strategy or plan to fight more effectively but I doubt it would make a difference against a monster like Kuzan.

Results The trio turn into popsicles

 

[Takuan]

Kuzan couldn't beat Jozu until he got distracted. I agree that Admirals are still above Luffy despite his growth, but not THAT far away that Luffy + Zoro + Sanji wouldn't be able to defeat an Admiral.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Its no coincidence that our monster trio never had a real tagteamfight post TS. Its because they would wreck shit. Only instance was against the PX and they went down in one hit each. Otherwise they are always separated.

So jeah. I dont see Aokiji defend himself against all 3 at the same time and all have access tohaki to actually hurt him, just be honest: Do you think anyone except the Yonkous can withstand a Gear4 attack + Zoro and Sanji going all out at once?

 

[XXGenesis]

....Damn, I remember the days when you may throw a lil shade at a character and the forum would just make jokes for about a page and then move on...but sorry Sanji lack a to much for them to beat them.

Luffy would lose 1 v 1. But will and can put a a very good fight. But probably get mid diff. ADD Zoro, who's shown to be able to resist an admial, his attacks will have low effect because of Akojis higher haki lv...but what is Sanji suppose to do? No feats to say he can damage emoji enough to ehere the trio can win.

So as much as I would like the trio to be = to a Yonkou or Admiral. They just arent.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I believe the Admirals and Emperors are in the same field of power, with the Emperors being slightly stronger than the Admirals as a whole. That being said, Aokiji oneshots Zoro and Sanji. The only real threat here is Gear 4th Luffy and even then I don't believe Luffy in that mode is Admiral Level. Even if he was, the Admirals can fight against each other for 10 days straight, while Gear 4th hasn't even shown to last one hour. Kuzan low diffs overall, IMO.

 

[Takuan]

Last chapter showed us how big of a gap there is between a Yonko and a Yonko Commander. While during Marineford, Admirals and YC were fighting equally, until YC got distracted. I don't believe Yonko and Admirals are on the same level, at all.
Even Akainu, arguably the strongest Admiral, was fighting "equally" (in my book WB won but yeah) against a dying WB. Aokiji is not Yonko level, he's probably somewhere between Yonko and YC. I don't see him winning against Luffy, Zoro and Sanji combined.

 

[Shadowlord123]

The difference between Yonko commanders and Admirals is that an Admiral can actually get blindsided by their attacks and they're still going to take little to no damage. This is showed when Marco and Vista (both top Yonko commanders, one of them being a first mate) attacked Akainu while he was off-guard and they did no damage at all to him. Aokiji took Jozu's diamond tackle off-guard and it only did a bloody lip to him, Marco's kick also did no visible damage on him when he caught him off-guard before that.

What happened when an Admiral attacked them or took them off-guard? Jozu got oneshotted, lost an arm and nearly was killed by one of Aokiji's attacks. Akainu killed Ace in one hit and pretty much oneshotted Jimbei too. Even after tanking two of Whitebeard's bloodlusted quakes (one of them is by feats far above a King Kong Gun, since it split the entire island as colateral damage), Akainu recovered in one/two chapters and went to the surface to fight literally against all of Whitebeard's commanders (except Jozu, but at this point I don't think it would have made much of a difference) + Crocodile. And guess what? They still weren't able to beat him at all. In fact, from the little panels we saw of the fight Akainu still had the advantage since he incapacited multiple of them.

Marco may be the exception because of his OP Devil Fruit, but if a casual Admiral can potentially end the fight against top Yonko commanders in one hit, I can see a bloodlusted Admiral actually oneshotting a first mate like Katakuri.

Again, from a feat standpoint, Yonko commanders can't even hurt the Admirals at all, let alone Zoro and Sanji. Those two are getting oneshotted. Luffy in Gear 4th is probably the only "threat" to Aokiji in this fight and even if you see him on Admiral Level, it only has shown to last like an hour or less. Admirals can go at each other for 10 days, so chances are that Luffy's Gear 4th is not going to be even a warm up for Kuzan.

I also see the Admirals between first mate level and Yonko Level, but much more closer to Yonko level than first mate level, going by feats.

 

[Takuan]

What admirals and YC can do to each other under cheap shot circulstances is irrelevant. Aokiji fought Jozu for a while during Marineford and didnt manage to get an edge over him before Jozu got distracted. If admirals were as close to yonkos as you're thinking, Aokiji would have ended the fight very fast indeed, like you're saying they shiuld be able to. That did not happen, neither with Jozu nor with Marco.
Kizaru also pussied out when Ben Beckman appeared. Why would he react like that to his presence if he was yonko level, yonkos being able to one shot YC?
Fujitora faced both Luffy and Zoro, 1v1, and both of them werent ridiculous at all. Those werent bloodlusted fights of course, but then again, Luffy improved tremendously. And we're talking about a 3v1.
Akainu faced a bunch of them indeed, that imo made no sense. Felt like Akainu was really Yonko level. Like really, him being strknger than all of them combined, after Kizaru was shown to not be able to so shit to Marci until he got handcuffed. That makes zero sense. But if we consider that legit, then i guess i can agree with you.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Both groups get underestimated, but admirals especially.

Akainu and Aokiji are shown to be more or else equal. But somehow I get a feeling that Akainu has gotten decently stronger during the time-skip, due to his rank.

Some admirals are closer to Yonko level than other. It's definitely the case with Akainu and possibly Aokiji.

The thing is, when you put an admiral in a vast uninhabited area and let him go all out I don't see any of the commanders putting up a good fight.

Their strongest weapon is their AoE imo. In Marineford they were restricted because of the soldiers. But imagine them having the freedom to shoot lasers/freeze stuff/shoot lava in any direction and in any quantity...

None of the commanders stands a chance.

 

[Holt]

I don't really see the monster trio defeating an Admiral. Maybe if we see something good from Zoro and Sanji soon. Gear 4 luffy can likely hold off Aokiji, but his time is too limited for that to be a decent threat. Zoro and Sanji as they are currently are essentially non-issue in this fight.

Aokiji still wins this, albeit with quite some difficulty.

 

[jaymizzo]

I don't really see the monster trio defeating an Admiral. Maybe if we see something good from Zoro and Sanji soon. Gear 4 luffy can likely hold off Aokiji, but his time is too limited for that to be a decent threat. Zoro and Sanji as they are currently are essentially non-issue in this fight.
Aokiji still wins this, albeit with quite some difficulty.

It feels like by the end of the arc, we will be revisiting this thread. Quick note, Luffy doesnt seem bound by the G4 limit anymore, when he was in snakeman (which i think will be his go to form unless whatever he learns during this arc significantly enhances his base form... Snakeman looks damn epic though).

Given what we have seen of the Emperors and what Aokiji and Akainu did in their fight, its safe to assume that non of these guys would be able to tolerate such weather effects for a prolonged period. If the 3 have prep time or give Aokiji no chance to divide them then maybe I can see them overwhelming him. Otherwise, Aokiji could simply play a waiting game and let them freeze to death.

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Monster trio can certainly win after the latest powerups. There is no doubt that Luffy and Zoro can hurt Aokiji with haki now, and Sanji could always hurt him with fire. So the biggest roadblock they had is removed.

 

[Holt]

It's still a bit too early to revist this, but things are certainly getting interesting. Considering the rate of improvement (especially with Luffy), it's obvious this would be quite a battle. The question now is the stamina. Aokiji can fight for 10 days. None of the SHs so far seem to have even half that stamina.
Right now, I still say Aokiji takes this, but perhaps after the fight where we see their full power, the answer might change

 

[Sachsenhesse]

The question now is the stamina. Aokiji can fight for 10 days. None of the SHs so far seem to have even half that stamina.

Our two giants on little green fought for centuries. We dont know how those both fought... they could have taken a break every 3 hours or something like that. So that staminafeat is questionable at best .