[Round 1 - Team 11 vs Team 12 Doubles 1] Hakamada/Mitsuya vs Tachibana/Chitose

Who will win?

  • Hakamada Izou/Mitsuya Akuto

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Tachibana Kippei/Chitose Senri

    Votes: 8 72.7%

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Doubles 1Hakamada IzouTachibana Kippei
Title - Wings of Kyuushu
SchoolHigh School 3rd YearFudomine 3rd Year
Height???179 cm
Weight???67 kg
Dominant HandLeftRight
PlaystyleAggressive BaselinerAll Rounder
TechniquesVanishAbare Jishi
Abare Dama
Moujuu no Aura
Moujuu no Synchro
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- Mitsuya AkutoChitose Senri
Title - Wings of Kyuushu
SchoolHigh School 2nd YearShitenhouji 3rd Year
Height???194 cm
Weight???81 kg
Dominant HandRightLeft
PlaystyleCounter PuncherAll Rounder
TechniquesData TennisKamikakushi
Muga no Kyouchi
Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami
Moujuu no Synchro

Mitsuya serves first.


This round ends on Saturday, September 15th 8 PM GMT.


Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!
 
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Mitsuya and Hakamada.. is not enough to beat de TWoK, hs skills in individuals aren't stronger than Chitose/Tachibana pair, with the great techniques, and the MnSynchro, makes one of the most powerfull pairs.. for me Chiitose and Kippei Wins
 

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I'm going with Tachibana&Chitose. Mitsuya and Hakamada are singles players, and I don't think that would be enough to defeat WoK, since them were a doubles pair before and now in the U-17 Camp. Also, WoK should be stronger than them because of Mojuu no Synchro, maybe Vanish would be a threat but I'm pretty sure it would be defeated. I don't see Mitsuya giving much hard time tough.

So, because of the lack of cooperation between Mitsuya and Hakamada since they are singles players, and WoK are a pair of players that know very well each other and are really strong when it comes to doubles with Mojuu No Synchro, Tachibana and Chitose win this.
 

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Don't understimate this pair just because they are singles players.
Vanish is a hell of a tech, and you may say "hey, Chitose has Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami, he might see Vanish" but Saiki only works in singles.
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http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/75032-Saiki-Kanpatsu-in-Doubles
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We have heard about Mojuu no Synchro, but we haven't seen it.
It all depends in how strong is Mojuu no Synchro, but it's obviously not as strong as a real Synchro. So, I'm going with the Hs.
 

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I'm going with the ex-1st stringer here. Wing of Kyushu so far lost to 3rd court 7-6. 3rd court get completely stomp by 1st stringer whos rank is lower than these two. I'm just gonna go off that.
 

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Mitsuya is between Inui and Yanagi.
and Hakamada >>> Matsudaira.

So imagine Hakamada paired with Inui or Yanagi.
It doesn't look like so much of an ass-kicking now does it.

My only issue is the Beast SYnchro thing. Whether it will actually exist or not. Synchro is only in a pinch. We don't know if Tachibana/Chitose can even use it at will.

Also, Vanish is a Serve as well as a tennis shot.
This means, Hakamada I doubt will lose his service games.

Kamikakushi will be returned after a few games. With only Abare Dama being a big way to score. That shouldn't last too long if Washio/Suzuki went 7-6 with them.
Data Tennis's effectiveness significantly lifts in Doubles as well.

Hakamada/Mitsuya 6-3 Tachibana/Chitose
 

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Well, if Vanish is used on the serve, Chitose could use SKnK on it. He can simply predict where the ball will go for Vanish but he wouldn't be able to predict further than that since there are more players. Also, I doubt Hakamada/Mitsuya can return Abare Dama.

Since Synchro allows two minds to be connected as one, it eliminates one of the variables SKnK needs to take into account, your partner. Also it has been stated that SKnK can work with 2v1. So if Chitose and Tachibana link minds, Chitose can simply tell Tachibana where to hit or he can read his mind with ease. So if SKnK works, then Data Tennis is broken down.

Kamikakushi would probably be returned after a couple of shots, once you know the principle behind the shot, it's easily to predict.

Also, since WoK have paired up in the past and the two highschoolers are a makeshift pair, the WoK have an upper hand.

For me, Tachibana/Chitose wins.
 

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Well, if Vanish is used on the serve, Chitose could use SKnK on it. He can simply predict where the ball will go for Vanish but he wouldn't be able to predict further than that since there are more players. Also, I doubt Hakamada/Mitsuya can return Abare Dama.
SKnK is Singles only. So he can't use that.
He couldn't against Washio/Suzuki so no reason to suggest he can against Hakamada/Mitsuya.

Abare Dama will take games, but for how long? Tooyama returned it first time.

Since Synchro allows two minds to be connected as one, it eliminates one of the variables SKnK needs to take into account, your partner. Also it has been stated that SKnK can work with 2v1.
Special techniques haven't been used in Aura. I personally believe we have seen Special Movements within Aura however. But as for techniques I don't think they can be used in Synchro.
Otherwise Atobe would have brought out a variety of techniques when in Synchro with Niou against Ochi and Mouri.
Instead, he left Synchro and used World of Ice and AK.

So if Chitose and Tachibana link minds, Chitose can simply tell Tachibana where to hit or he can read his mind with ease. So if SKnK works, then Data Tennis is broken down.
SKnK seriously cannot work in Doubles unless we see it.
So Data Tennis from Mitsuya stays in effect.

Also, since WoK have paired up in the past and the two highschoolers are a makeshift pair, the WoK have an upper hand.
Shiraishi/Kirihara makeshift pair bt Miyako/Matsudaira who I doubt as a makeshift pair.

Oshitari.K/Momoshiro another example of makeshift pairs defeating Official Pairs.

You've said nothing to suggest Tachibana and Chitose can win this yet lol.
 

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Yeah, but also consider Tachibana/Chitose had more time to train since the Court 5 vs. Court 3 team shuffle. Also, their cooperation and harmony as a pair also help them, I doubt Hakamada/Mitsuya as a pair would work well. Even if Hakamada has Vanish, I see Chitose using SKNK and returning it, and Tachibana with Abare Dama and Abare Jishi getting points out of Mitsuya/Hakamada.

Also, Tachibana and Chitose didn't pair up for 1 year when they played Wassio/Shuzuki, bet they would have won if they had more time to train together. Also, they almost won, so Mojuu No Synchro is probably as strong as regular synchro. Also, even if they synchro, Mitsuya's Data Tennis won't work, as I don't think he'll predict WoK moves, much like if Chitose was also able to use Saiki as Data Tennis is useless. Tachibana/Chitose win this, as Vanish will be returned and Mitsuya's Data Tennis won't work against Synchro or Saiki.
 

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Yeah, but also consider Tachibana/Chitose had more time to train since the Court 5 vs. Court 3 team shuffle. Also, their cooperation and harmony as a pair also help them, I doubt Hakamada/Mitsuya as a pair would work well. Even if Hakamada has Vanish, I see Chitose using SKNK and returning it,
Kaoz? Sai? Can one of you type in bold capitals that as far as the readers know SKnK is Singles only?
I don't want to repeat it.
Can we please read posts before making replies? This way the tournament can only move forwards instead of going back on the same thing.


SKnK cannot be used in Doubles as far as we know. Otherwise Tezuka!Niou would have used it when paired with Atobe and Chitose would have used it against Washio/Suzuki.

and Tachibana with Abare Dama and Abare Jishi getting points out of Mitsuya/Hakamada.
That cannot compare to Vanish. Tooyama returned Abare Dama first time. It took Tooyama what must have been several games to return Vanish. He had to use clones at that.

Also, Tachibana and Chitose didn't pair up for 1 year when they played Wassio/Suzuki, bet they would have won if they had more time to train together. Also, they almost won, so Mojuu No Synchro is probably as strong as regular synchro.
We don't know anything about it. But I believe it is even better than regular Synchro.

Also, even if they synchro, Mitsuya's Data Tennis won't work, as I don't think he'll predict WoK moves, much like if Chitose was also able to use Saiki as Data Tennis is useless. Tachibana/Chitose win this, as Vanish will be returned and Mitsuya's Data Tennis won't work against Synchro or Saiki.
We don't know yet if they can use this at will. Remember how surprised everybody gets when they see a pair use it at will?
We haven't seen Beast Synchro, so we should no count it just yet since we don't know about whether or not they have it on demand.

I mean come on, it was mentioned by Washio and nobody else, and hasn't been mentioned since.
 

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Several games to Tooyama? It only looked like one game for me, not that many. Still we don't know how much, but I think Tooyama defeated Vanish quick, Tachibana and Chitose are skilled players, what prevents them for not being able to break Vanish?
 
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As your the guy who argued that sweat means several games must have taken place.

Here he is at the start:
http://www.mangareader.net/new-prince-of-tennis/56/9

Here he is again several points in three different panels have gone by:
http://www.mangareader.net/new-prince-of-tennis/59/3

Here he is, with far more sweat and stains than before, Tooyama still letting Vanish pass him:
http://www.mangareader.net/new-prince-of-tennis/62/2
So we know, some time has gone since the last time we saw him.

http://www.mangareader.net/new-prince-of-tennis/62/3
The fact that he says ''Little by little'' means that slowly he is getting there. This means he has had to go through several attempts.
I think we DO know that it has taken Tooyama some games to return Vanish.
Secondly, it required the Clone Technique. And guess what. Neither Tachibana and Chitose can create clones.

So we have Data Tennis, Vanish VS Abare Dama and Kamikakushi and Standard Muga.
Its a tight match.
I believe however now that I have rethought things,
Hakamada/Mitsuya 7-5 Tachibana/Chitose or 7-6.
 

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Tachibana used Super Rising before, can't he do it against Vanish?

---------- Post added at 04:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:31 AM ----------

SKnK isn't exactly singles only. If it is 2v1, it still works. So if Chitose is by himself and is playing against two other players, he can still use SKnK. So it is not limited to 1v1, the only requirement is that Chitose be on his own.
 

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Tachibana used Super Rising before, can't he do it against Vanish?
If he can see it.
VAnish creates a smokescreen. Don't you think Tooyama who is better than Tachibana would have hit it if he could see it?
http://www.mangareader.net/new-prince-of-tennis/56/10
Impossible to see as shown.

Vanish is impossible to see and predict until it shoots up.
He can't use Super Rising if the ball is hidden.

But yeah, Super Rising was forgotten to add in to Tachibana's techniques in this thread.
 

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Yeah, if he can't see it, but wouldn't he be fast enough with Mojuu No Aura to reach the ball before it touches the ground or before it creates the dustcloud?
 

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this one's tough for me. i like chitose/tachibana pair but they got defeated by synchro of a lower that 1st stringers

while i can see chitose and tachibana evolving their abilities, (beast synchro) ,and their teamwork. I can even image chitose opening another gate of muga.

the data guy is the one that taught renji, so he appears the master of data tennis. even if match wins are situational ,meaning.. can i say he's better than renji but suckier than inui who is generally seen as lower than renji. its troubling to rank based on data ability. data tennis relies on previous recorded data or data recorded during the match.

i would make it a very close game with chitose/tachibana pair winning barley vs Hakamada/Mitsuya,
although vanish is a good skill, in a doubles match i feel it is more easier countered than in a singles match.
I dont know the teamwork potential of Hakamada/Mitsuya.

so due to evolving abilities and team work i favor more of chitose / tachibana. even if the other guys are 1st stringers i dont know their teamwork abilities.
 
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This is a tough one. Both sides have good arguements as to why they should win. All four players have great moves, but in the end, I think the fact that chitose and tachibana can synchro will win them the game. Anytime there is synchro, synchro wins ( although I think Atobe/Nioh should definetely have lost that match). Hakamada and Mitsuya don't seem to have any penchant for synchro at all.

7-5 to Chitose/tachibanan. Hakamada will keep his serve and the data might kick in later, but Chitose and Tachibana will overwhelm them overall.
 

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Since Tachibana and Chitose have lost their match in the manga, (going by the Konomi pattern) their next match will have upgrades. They used their special synchro in the game they played but it appears to not have been controlled. Since Konomi wouldn't give them screentime and not evolution, that means it is to be "expected" for Tachibana/Chitose to have control over it now. I would also expect Chitose to have evolved to use Saiki in doubles, and possibly a new upgraded Tachibana technique. These things are LONG overdue, and I have no doubt Konomi knows this.

Basically, my argument is that of Tachibana and Chitose would not be able to play this match and not evolve.

Tachibana/Chitose wins 6-4
 

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Actually, Chitose might be smart enough to figure out the principle behind Vanish. He unlocked SKnK which requires high intelligence (or at least experience). Also he created Kamikakushi, a technique which causes the ball to disappear from sight... like Vanish. Having created a disappearing shot of his own, Chitose probably would understand how Vanish works and would be able to return it. My vote goes to Tachibana and Chitose winning.
 

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Yeah, if he can't see it, but wouldn't he be fast enough with Mojuu No Aura to reach the ball before it touches the ground or before it creates the dustcloud?
Right, Mojuu no Aura, I forgot that. I doubt he will consistently return it though. But yeah it will change things.

---------- Post added at 10:18 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:01 AM ----------

Hakamada and Mitsuya lost recently. Why won't they evolve?
Tachibana and Chitose could only win in the event that they get an upgrade, or the storyline confirms they can use Mojuu no Synchro at will.

Chitose has poor sight in one @Fuji Shusuke. If anybody returns Vanish, it won't be him that's for sure.

Also, the whole SKnK in Doubles thing is still impossible according to the storyline, so why people have been mentioning it makes no sense.

If we are going to base every argument on possible improvement then it makes the tournament pointless.
Since every MSer might get an upgrade.

I can concede that Tachibana/Chitose can defeat Hakamada/Mitsuya pair however, since Data can't last forever against guys like Tachibana and Chitose who love to hide their abilities.
 
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