Who say it wouldn't? This is simply a guess. From what we've seen. It works against Yanagi. And that's cannon. So unless you can prove it doesn't, I'm going with the manga rather than you. Thanks.
I think it's wrong to assume Kaidoh > Yanagi based off of a few points.
Again, opinion. Not proven. My point is.
How have you proven that Gyro Laser will work for the duration of a whole set? If Yanagi worked out how to return Waterfall and Tornado Snake so quickly why shouldn't he eventually handle Gyro Laser?
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/prince_of_tennis/c357/11.html
Actually, it's suggest that Tornado Snake is also fairly quick along with the laser here, hence invincible.
It was never said it was anywhere near as fast as a Laser. Also, Curving Laser is the same speed as the actual Laser. So really, Tornado simply isn't as fast.
Also, Yagyuu curve is say by Kaidoh during the their match with random schooler that it is WEAKER than his. And I don't find anymore comment that Yagyuu curve shot has improve in chapter 7 of Shin Prince of Tennis.
This is silly. Your comparing the Snake that Yagyuu hit Prior To Nationals, to the Curving Laser that Yagyuu hit at the U-17 Camp?
Just the fact such a long time has passed since then, and that Yagyuu can now combine it with his Laser means it obviously must have improved.
That should be obvious to everyone.
Hence, again, I'm just gonna go with the manga. And it doesn't have to be slow with all the turn. It's fast enough that it leaves after image that we saw as in tornado. It's not a slow shot by anymeans. I give you a page that highly suggest Kirihara is given data by Yanagi to return Tornado Snake before, that's why Kirihara can return it on first try.
An After image is what indicates to you it must be fast? I can't take this statement seriously. It's stupid.
Oishi's Moon Volley does the same thing.
Kai's Viking Horn does the same.
I can find plenty examples as to why your example means nothing.
Also, if Yanagi has data on it as you say, why do you think it will work on him for a whole set?
I don't think Gyro Laser is faster than Waterfall personally. Serve's should be faster.
But again, If Tornado Snake is as slow as you say, Kirihara, with his half step tech (it is shown that he have it at beginning of the series), can try to cover all move as Gyro laser and use half step to close in on Tornado snake. He doesn't.
Irrelevant. He cannot use Split step if he doesn't know whether Gyro laser or Tornado Snake is coming.
This proves nothing.
I shouldn't just take thing you say as fact. It's clear that you can't prove tornado snake to be slower. However, I can't prove that it is fast either. And the same thing with curve beam. So that's why I'm going off what is harder to do here.
I can. The Curving Laser, is just a Curving Laser. The Laser is said to be extremely fast. And the curving laser is the exact same speed as the Laser.
While the Tornado Snake has never been called ''fast''. Ever.
So it's you who needs to prove why you will go against the manga and say Tornado Snake is fast like Laser has been said to be fast.
Tornado Snake look harder to do. So I'm saying that it should require high tech. OTherwise, we can both try to find real life video to see which one is closer to the one people can do in real life.
Your using Real life? for PoT Logic? You know that makes no sense.
Neither are possible in real life so good luck in trying.
Again, Tornado Snake is high tier enough of a tech once it's used together with Gyro Laser. Kirihara+ Yanagi is raped by it. I'll echo myself again, can Yagyuu beat Yanagi? I don't think so.
Tornado Snake is only high tier once combined with Gyro Laser.
Kirihara and Yanagi could not handle it for 1 game. making it 4-1.
That one game is all we saw it in.
Despite having it, Kirihara managed to control the game and take it to 5-1.
So when they said Kaidoh is invincible, I think somebody somewhere was exaggerating.
And it seemed like you give Yanagi free pass that he can return the shot given couple more game. I'm not doing that. I'm going off what the manga says. So unless you can show me PAGES from the manga that prove otherwise other than simply wall of texts that's fill with opinions and not fact from the manga, don't bother replying anymore. This is getting too long for my taste.
You're also doing the same thing. Don't try to be clever here.
You are judging a whole set off of one game.
The game after, Kaidoh was involved in the rally but Kirihara was still able to play how he wanted. Kaidoh isn't invincible.
Unless you want to run away without proving your point.
We're not? But because they do that, they destroy Golden Pair morale. And it forced the golden to adjust to 2 laser speed instead of just 1. It's a trick they use to win, not play around. I'm pretty sure you're the one I say this to before, because back then, you used this same argument too. And I've shown you the exact page already. I can dig the page out if you want.
Either way, Golden Pair weren't crap at the time. They have been a strong pair for a while. I don't know why you're saying they sucked without Synchro. They didn't.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/prince_of_tennis/c128/3.html
Yeah. Jimmy. Any other notable win? And Jimmy also is a pretty weak player team all together. And no, it doesn't look like they would have beaten Yuushi+Makahi for me. Unless you're saying the character themselves are wrong.
I'll admit I was wrong about the latter.
K. insert this in your quote about Yagyuu can return Gyro laser and Tornado snake being slower. Thanks. You're giving undue credits that Yagyuu doesn't deserve BECAUSE you think he is high tier. I don't think he is.
Well, I'll say it again. Laser is known as fast. Curving Laser is the same speed as Laser.
Tornado Snake has never been called ''fast'' by Konomi.
Its been called fast by you, and YOU are NOT Konomi.
You are giving Tornado Snake undue credits.
I'll change this then. Any players invited to U-17 can do it. That's why I say anyone. I thought that was clear. Apparently, it isn't. It's a freaking random players. How about you prove this statement of yours.
It wasn't clear at all. You said
Random.
Saying any player invited to U-17 is a bit off too.
K. So prove that base Niou without Illusion can get a point of Fuji. Right. You can't. So,
http://www.mangareader.net/422-27257-2/prince-of-tennis/chapter-360.html
There is his teammate, knowing full well that Niou isn't playing seriously.
So how on earth can you judge Niou on that performance if it is proven Niou wasn't playing seriously?? I have PROOF Niou wasn't serious.
Sanada didn't even know about Illusion.
Niou needs Illusion to get point off Fuji. And EVERY SINGLE POINT he get off Fuji is when he used Illusion.
http://www.mangareader.net/422-27257-2/prince-of-tennis/chapter-360.html
Maybe. The readers do not know. We only know Niou cannot win against Fuji without it. We don't know about getting points though.
So mental Yagyuu> Kaidoh. Stamina Kaidoh>Yagyuu. And in the end, Yagyuu>Kaidoh, where did that came from? At least, in the manga
-Gyro laser is faster than Yagyuu own laser
-Yagyuu curve IS NOT stated to be faster than tornado snake. So since it is not stated, it's pretty useless to keep going back and forth about this, as this one shot is purely opinion-based.
Common sense tells you that if Tornado Snake has never been called ''extremely Fast'' yet Laserbeam has been called fast, then Laserbeam is the faster one.
That's common sense though. I guess we don't all have it. I guess I have at least a bit of it to notice this obvious thing.
It's not my opinion, its Konomi. Konomi says laser is fast, he doesn't say Tornado Snake is ''extremely fast''. You don't believe Konomi?
Yagyuu knows laser. Not Gyro laser. Gyro laser is obviously harder to hit back. Yanagi can probably return laser fine, too. It's kind of like how Kikumaru get used to Niou laser speed and fail with the real one.
Yeah, so because the two of them can do the straight or curve tech, so they're even on that. But Kaidoh stamina will actually be better for this than Yagyuu. The number of set match will also decide this. It's unknown if Kaidoh stamina is enough to kick in in 1 set match, but I think the advantage is definitely Kaidoh in a 3 set match if they're both going for 1st stringer position.
Your first valid point I can accept.
Kaidoh has more stamina. True. Kaidoh has Gyro, not Curving Laser though.
Your free to run away from this Ken.