[Round 1 - Team 7 vs Team 9 Doubles 1] Inui/Yanagi vs Oishi/Kikumaru

[Kaoz]

Doubles 1	Inui Sadaharu Yanagi Renji	Oishi Shuuichirou Kikumaru Eiji
Title	- Master	Seigaku's Golden Pair
School	Seishun Gakuen Rikkai Dai Fuzoku	Seishun Gakuen Seishun Gakuen
Height	184 cm 181 cm	175 cm 171 cm
Weight	62 kg 67 kg	55 kg 52 kg
Dominant Hand	Right Right	Right Right
Playstyle	Serve and Volley Technical Counter Puncher	Technical Counter Puncher Serve and Volley
Techniques	Data Tennis Waterfall Data Tennis Kamaitachi Cicada	Moon Volley Oishi Territory Acrobatic Play Sealed Step Kikumaru Bazooka Synchro

Serve order: Oishi -> Inui -> Kikumaru -> Yanagi


This round ends on Sunday, September 23rd 8 PM GMT.

Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!​

 

[LetalHawk]

Golden Pair. I don't think data's going to be useful against a pair who uses synchro personally, so I'm going with GP.

GP if they go instant synchro 6-1, if they don't use it until later, 6-3.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

Golden Pair, controlled Synchro > Data Tennis.

There is no way you can predict the simultaneous swing.

 

[LetalHawk]

Golden Pair, controlled Synchro > Data Tennis.

There is no way you can predict the simultaneous swing.

Yes, and they would get 6-0. They can't predict all of their moves.

 

[Tsukihime no uta]

At this point in the manga, it seems like everyone is going synchro. If this trend continues, Inui and Renji should achieve synchro, and from there I think they would have the upper hand.
Even first time Atobe/Niouh Pair synchro, and first time Niouh/oishi/mutsu twins pair synchro. I am pretty sure Renji and Inui who have known each other since they were kids, and already think very similar, can achieve synchro.

In a battle between Synchros, the stronger and better technique team wins. I think Inui and Yanagi would win in this department.

If GP synchro versus data pair no synchro-- GP wins--
If Data pair synchro vs GP synchro-- data pair wins.

Overall-- my vote for data pair who should achieve synchro during the match.

 

[Hardy]

At this point in the manga, it seems like everyone is going synchro. If this trend continues, Inui and Renji should achieve synchro, and from there I think they would have the upper hand.
Even first time Atobe/Niouh Pair synchro, and first time Niouh/oishi/mutsu twins pair synchro. I am pretty sure Renji and Inui who have known each other since they were kids, and already think very similar, can achieve synchro.

In a battle between Synchros, the stronger and better technique team wins. I think Inui and Yanagi would win in this department.

If GP synchro versus data pair no synchro-- GP wins--
If Data pair synchro vs GP synchro-- data pair wins.

Overall-- my vote for data pair who should achieve synchro during the match.

That sounds logic, except for one thing: they DON'T have synchro.
Don't use plot power, use the techs they already have.
"My vote is for GP, Oishi is gonna learn Laser because he learnt it from Niou and Kikumaru will use Fuji counters."

 

[Tsukihime no uta]

I am just saying it is not far fetched to say they will gain synchro during the match.

I am slightly confused about which part of my arguement is the plot power section. Is it the part to where I refer to everyone else getting synchro in the story so easily?

I think in the chitose/ tachibana doubles match of this fan tournament, people kinda figured the two prolly have control over the mujou synchro or w/e, although at the time of their last battle they did not have control. I know the difference is between learning a new technique and mastering one is different, but I am just saying.

I guess I am just trying to defend the data duo since no one is giving them much credit. I mean, everyone says that no one can predict synchro, but Inui has been able to gather data in every single "doubles" match he has played, whether win or lose. Oishi and Kikumaru are also people that Inui has known for the longest time and has seen them play two synchro matches already.

Also, there are two data players, so it might increase the effectiveness of their data tennis since it is a similar technique. But this is just speculative and not cannon. Maybe only semi cannon when they were doing the mountain training and battling on the irregular bouncing surface.

People say that synchro cannot be "data'ed" but the Data guys have never gone against synchro, so we do not know for sure yet.

 

[Hardy]

I am just saying it is not far fetched to say they will gain synchro during the match.

I am slightly confused about which part of my arguement is the plot power section. Is it the part to where I refer to everyone else getting synchro in the story so easily?

I think in the chitose/ tachibana doubles match of this fan tournament, people kinda figured the two prolly have control over the mujou synchro or w/e, although at the time of their last battle they did not have control. I know the difference is between learning a new technique and mastering one is different, but I am just saying.

I guess I am just trying to defend the data duo since no one is giving them much credit. I mean, everyone says that no one can predict synchro, but Inui has been able to gather data in every single "doubles" match he has played, whether win or lose. Oishi and Kikumaru are also people that Inui has known for the longest time and has seen them play two synchro matches already.

Also, there are two data players, so it might increase the effectiveness of their data tennis since it is a similar technique. But this is just speculative and not cannon. Maybe only semi cannon when they were doing the mountain training and battling on the irregular bouncing surface.

People say that synchro cannot be "data'ed" but the Data guys have never gone against synchro, so we do not know for sure yet.

I do think that synchro can be "data'ed". Everyone thinks that synchro means auto win. I don't.
If GP goes synchro in the first games, I think that they would lose (yeah me, the guy that has "Eiji Kikumaru"as his nickname). I do believe though that if they are able to win games wihout synchro (Oishi starts serving, Australian Formation, I formation and Oishi territory might be enough to win some games) and then end the match with synchro, GP wins without a doubt (although not 6-0, 6-3 would be better).

These are (in my opinion) the 2 best Ms pairs in this series, it's a pity that one of them is eliminated so soon.

 

[Fayte]

I don't believe GP is in the same league as Inui and Renji. There is a fine line between doubles ability and united ability. GP has a great doubles ability but they are not great when it comes to individual overall ability which makes a lacking united ability. Renji could take out both of them easily, and so could Inui. If you take the two best data players in the entire series and add the fact they are even better if they play doubles with one another, that automatically makes them on a higher tier than GP even though they don't have synchro. It is kind of like if Sanada and Yukimura played doubles against GP. GP would get destroyed easily. I'll see if a chart would make it easier to understand:

(IA = Individual Ability, DA = Doubles Ability, UA = United Ability)

Yukimura:
IA - 30
DA - 20

Sanada:
IA - 28
DA - 20

UA - 98

Oishi:
IA - 5
DA - 30

Eiji:
IA - 7
DA - 30

UA - 72

Renji:
IA - 23
DA - 23

Inui:
IA - 18
DA - 23

UA - 87

This is just an estimation and is in no way saying these are the right numbers. I'm just using this as an example. If my chart system is accurate, and I believe it is, then Inui/Renji pair wins.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

I reckon Golden Pair will win because of their ability to control Synchro.

A pair without Synchro must make sign plays or use plays and formations they had in the past which can make it predictable. However, a pair with Synchro can exchange thoughts in an instant and can switch plays on the fly. Even though Inui and Renji have better stats, if Oishi and Kikumaru can communicate without physical means, Golden Pair wins.

You cannot deny Oishi's analysis skills as well. He was able to detect an out shot from the net and figured out the speed behind Niou's Laser was slower than they initially thought.

Waterfall would be a problem for the pair, considering they could not return Neo-Scud even in Synchro. However there is a drawback since Inui can only serve every fourth game.

I reckon Utsusemi and Kamaitachi can simply be volleyed by Kikumaru.

Finally, data does not work due to Synchro. As a said before, being able to change tactics without ruining the play can be done easily through Synchro. The simultaneous swing and the apparent random movements they make could not be predicted by just data. So far in the series we've only seen data predicting the ball path and predicting the movement of another. However, we have not seen data predict the movement of two people at once. There has never been a situation where data had to predict, "is this guy going to hit it this way or is his partner going to hit it the other way?" Even SKnK can't be used in doubles due to the massive amount of variables two extra players bring.

I reckon Golden Pair wins 6-2.

 

[Ninomiya]

"My vote is for GP, Oishi is gonna learn Laser because he learnt it from Niou and Kikumaru will use Fuji counters."

Enough of this.
Too far-fetched lol.

Considering GP couldn't react to Neo Scud Serve while in Synchro, I assume Waterfall will take all of its games.
Let's face it, Kikumaru and Oishi aren't Yanagi or Kirihara.

Waterfall will take its games.
You really think Synchro beats everything? The highest doubles pair of the HSers we have seen ourselves is Kimijima/Tohno pair.
2nd is Ochi/Mouri pair.
3rd is Date/Ban pair.
Mutsu twins are FOURTH lol.

This manga can't be all about Synchro. Konomi has been appalling in SPoT with his explanations, but I don't blame him since he doesnt have as much panels a week to donate to In-Match Explanations like he did in PoT which was a 17 page weekly.
But I have faith in that he will eventually show us that Synchro can be beaten by non-synchro users with some kind of method besides a super fast serve.

Oishi:
IA - 5
DA - 30

Eiji:
IA - 7
DA - 30

UA - 72

Renji:
IA - 23
DA - 23

Inui:
IA - 18
DA - 23

UA - 87

This is just an estimation and is in no way saying these are the right numbers. I'm just using this as an example. If my chart system is accurate, and I believe it is, then Inui/Renji pair wins.

I don't know the accuracy of any numbers myself, but you have Yanagi 5 points above Inui. That is pushing it greatly if its in the current storyline.
They can't be anything but equal.
Especially after Inui defeated the creator of Data Tennis and Yanagi couldn't.
Kikumaru can't be just 7 if Oishi is 5 either.

Yanagi I expect has an even higher DA than Inui, but IA can't be as big as 5 points right now.

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I am just saying it is not far fetched to say they will gain synchro during the match.

I am slightly confused about which part of my arguement is the plot power section. Is it the part to where I refer to everyone else getting synchro in the story so easily?

I think in the chitose/ tachibana doubles match of this fan tournament, people kinda figured the two prolly have control over the mujou synchro or w/e, although at the time of their last battle they did not have control. I know the difference is between learning a new technique and mastering one is different, but I am just saying.

I guess I am just trying to defend the data duo since no one is giving them much credit. I mean, everyone says that no one can predict synchro, but Inui has been able to gather data in every single "doubles" match he has played, whether win or lose. Oishi and Kikumaru are also people that Inui has known for the longest time and has seen them play two synchro matches already.

Also, there are two data players, so it might increase the effectiveness of their data tennis since it is a similar technique. But this is just speculative and not cannon. Maybe only semi cannon when they were doing the mountain training and battling on the irregular bouncing surface.

People say that synchro cannot be "data'ed" but the Data guys have never gone against synchro, so we do not know for sure yet.

Thank you. Nowhere does it say Data cannot take effect against Synchro.

 

[Hardy]

You really think Synchro beats everything?

I do think that synchro can be "data'ed". Everyone thinks that synchro means auto win. I don't.
If GP goes synchro in the first games, I think that they would lose (yeah me, the guy that has "Eiji Kikumaru"as his nickname).

No I don't
You didn't say which pair do you think that should win this match...

Too far-fetched lol.

It would be cool though. (I'm not being serious lol)

Considering GP couldn't react to Neo Scud Serve while in Synchro, I assume Waterfall will take all of its games.
Let's face it, Kikumaru and Oishi aren't Yanagi or Kirihara.

Waterfall will take its games.

That's something I never understood. Kikumaru has one of the best (if not the best) motion vision in the series. He has one of the best (again, if not the best) reactions. He is fast enough to make a freaking doppelganger. How isn't he able to return a high speed (not a power one) serve? That's just Konomi saying "Chotarou's serve is invincible, Silver Pair rocks".

 

[Ninomiya]

That's something I never understood. Kikumaru has one of the best (if not the best) motion vision in the series. He has one of the best (again, if not the best) reactions. He is fast enough to make a freaking doppelganger. How isn't he able to return a high speed (not a power one) serve? That's just Konomi saying "Chotarou's serve is invincible, Silver Pair rocks".

It is what it is lol.
That's just what we got from GP VS Shishido/Ootori.
I honestly think this match will be extremely tight and that gradually Data will kick in.

Since Yanagi and Inui don't have to speak to each other and know each other frighteningly well.
While Synchro lets Kikumaru know Oishi's next move, Yanagi knows Inui's next move naturally.
Whilst Oishi knows when Kikumaru is going in for a poach without thinking in Synchro, Inui knows the same for Yanagi.

I don't think Synchro's advantage is necessarily that big against Inui and Yanagi.
Who can predict each other's freaking habits lol. Their opening conversation in their match was crazy haha.

 

[ashore]

is circada technique another name for Utsusemi?

also what about kikumaru beam.

i'm not going to vote on this match. this depends on my understanding on the snychro abilities. so both players know each other's thoughts?
that means their teamwork and reaction timing is infinitely fast.

but i still think u can cause people to react or manipulate the situation on the tennis court with data trial and error. both yanagi and inui have witnessed
golden pair's play style and their movements in synchro. if there is a way to defeat synchro those data guys may come close.

as there is still action and reactionary tactics.. and unless synchro gives more power like super speed or str, then even people in synchro can get tired.
if u injure kikumaru's hand, the synchro will stop or his partner will stop the match, to prevent his partner from injury.

 

[Kaoz]

is circada technique another name for Utsusemi?

also what about kikumaru beam.

It's the drop shot that doesn't bounce, so if it's that, then yeah.

Didn't list it because if memory serves, there's no reason to use it over Bazooka.

---------- Post added September 23, 2012 at 10:02 PM ---------- Previous post was September 21, 2012 at 08:15 AM ----------

Inui Sadaharu/Yanagi Renji: 4 votes
Oishi Shuuichirou/Kikumaru Eiji: 5 votes

Winner: Oishi Shuuichirou/Kikumaru Eiji