Intl Translator有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
- Aug 2, 2011
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That isn't true. Don't change things. I myself said that I don't require a technique to see improvement.As you said, we've been through this before. I don't really want to repeat myself either, the thing is that you don't seem to consider anything an improvement that can't be shown by a technique or whatever, which I don't agree with for the purpose of this discussion.
There isn't enough time to show 30 or so improvements and there can be improvements outside of special moves (even significant ones). That being said, he doesn't need a significant improvement because...
At least three people repeated what you said and it was annoying repeating myself.
The point still stands that they ''improved'' in the Mountains, and you're a liar if you can tell me specifcally how Hiyoshi improved. Since we haven't been told a thing in detail where he improved. All we know is he can hit irregular bounds, so we're talking about a slight boost in Technique.
Therefore, if he doesn't get a significant boost, he shouldn't really do well against Matsudaira.
So he returned THS that he has seen nearly everyday from after Regionals right through til the Camp invitation.
Nationals!Shiraishi who broke down the counters of Fuji had to remove a weight to return it. Nationals!Shiraishi > Hiyoshi right now.
Don't see Hiyoshi beating Nationals!Fuji (No CE/6th Counter included).
We don't need to see 30 improvements to judge on other BJB members improvement.
Tooyama, Momoshiro, Kawamura, Niou, Kabaji clearly improved.
Oishi and Kenya also improved. But you can't prove they improved by much.
Going by that, only the Higher level players showed good improvement.
Don't see why we should suggest Hiyoshi improved much. We just know he improved, and he wasn't that good to begin with.
Richard Sakata and Shishido Ryo were also in that scene. On this, are we going to assume they can handle the Flower serve while Nationals!Shiraishi couldnt?I don't think Nationals!Shiraishi is weaker than Hiyoshi, however, as Kaoz said, the irregular court where the losers played, there the ball bounced much like flower, and everybody was able to play normally there by the end of the training. Hiyoshi would definitely return flower after some tries, don't underestimate the guy, he has potential.
Hiyoshi does have potential, but he isnt beating Matsudaira.
If Matsudaira was taking games from Nationals!Shiraishi with just a serve, although I don't think in Singles he would beat Nationals!Shiraishi, I know it has to trouble Hiyoshi.
Since when did returning a shot you know so well mean you can return every other serve?
Flower Serve and THS have completely different concepts.
Flower Serve is more along the lines of Twist Serve, Knuckle Serve and Kick Serve while Tannhauser Serve lands like Tsubame Gaeshi.
Exactly what we went over in like one of the first matches Ken.He has potential. But we don't see it yet. So he possibly could win. But from what we've seen, I don't think he can win.
I ask this before in Tachibana/Chitose thread. Are we counting possible improvement+plot power? To quote the exact word, "So, improvement and plot seem to be a legit assumption for everyone? I know whos winning when it's Ryoma vs anyone then. "
Hiyoshi shows no reason to be at that level.
I don't see him beating Marui or Hirakoba for starters.
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What about Nationals!Shiraishi? Try and tell us how Hiyoshi is as good as Nationals!Shiraishi.Normal!Kirihara isn't that good, he had like 13.5 total. And both Normal!Akaya and Hiyoshi were defeated by Echizen back during Kantou by what seems to be an equal amount (remember that Hiyoshi only lost 4-6 against an Echizen who was supposed to play at his best).
What's REM!Kirihara?From what I can gather, AM!Kirihara (the version that returned Flower) is the same as REM!Kirihara without the mental drop, and while that's definitely an improvement, it's not a gap that you can't reasonably overcome in this timeframe.
Why?Adding to that, Hiyoshi is prepared much better for this than Shiraishi or Kirihara were. Remember the court on the cliff where every shot had an irregular bounce? Any serve that's as fast as Flower requires the same reaction speed there, and we got to know that everyone was able to return that stuff by the end.
We don't know if its the same time.
I doubt we should really be assuming everybody from the Mountain training is suddenly immune to sudden-movement-style serves like Knuckle Serve and Flower Serve.
Since your now implying Richard Sakata can now handle Flower Serve after Mountain training. Since Hiyoshi partnered up with Sakata during that scene.