Theory The National Treasure Is the Ancient Weapon Uranus

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While Doflamingo was leaving Mock Town, he said that the ‘New Age’ is coming. The ‘new age’ was stressed in the Japanese text. He further added that only the worthy pirates are allowed to ‘exist’ in the ‘New Age’ after its 'wave' completely sweeps away the worthless pirates.

Only an enormous power that far transcends the currently displayed power of the World Government itself, which wasn’t capable of stopping the ‘Great Pirate Age’, can do something like this.

After the Straw Hats brought ruin to Disco’s human trade business, Doflamingo told Disco that they are in the age of ‘smiles’.

Moments before Doflamingo finished his discussion with Disco, he had said to Disco that a ‘new age’ is coming, in the same discussion as the one about ‘smiles’.

We later discover that ‘Smiles’ are in fact artificial zoan devil fruits, and Doflamingo uses them to do business with the ‘big names’ of the New world.

We further get told that one of the four emperors has amassed several hundred ‘smile’ users through his dealings with Doflamingo, and we later discover that that emperor is in fact ‘Kaido’.

When Kaido first made his appearance after falling from a sky island, he shouted at Joker(albeit there was no Joker) and said ‘to finish the preparations’ for the final ‘battle’. He further declared that he wants the destruction of this world.
This suggests that both Kaido and Doflamingo are partners in this scheme of the ‘final war’.

Back at Dressrosa when Doflamingo was talking to Bellamy, he said that, unlike Bellamy, he didn’t care whether he was a pirate or otherwise, so long as he was able to destroy this ‘world'.
As you can see by now, both Kaido and Doflamingo share the desire of the destruction of the world. This both further supports the idea that they are partners in this destruction-of-the-world plot and explains a little about why Doflamingo was funding him with Smiles.

The only things capable of destroying the world are the ‘ancient weapons’ and Whitebeard’s ‘Earthquake Devil Fruit’. Whenever the ‘destruction of the world’ is mentioned it is 99 % of the time associated with the ‘ancient weapons’. The author even adds emphasis on this idea of ‘world destruction’.

When Doflamingo was asked by Law about how he was able to deploy CP0, he said that it was because he knows about the existence of the ‘national treasure’. He further added to his speech that the national treasure is hidden inside of Mariejois, and its very existence is enough to shake the world.

When Iceberg was talking about the ancient weapon, he said that the whole world will fight over it if it is ‘reawakened’.
Both the ancient weapon and the national treasure have this intersection point of ‘shaking’ the world.


Doflamingo further displayed a great desire of ‘using’ the ‘national treasure’ to ‘control the world’.
The only things known to us with the capability of achieving something of this scale are the ‘ancient weapons’.

Back at the War of the Best, Doflamingo was the only one brimming with excitement at the idea of a war between one of the four emperors and the marines. This was stressed by the author over and over again throughout the entire war.

When Doflamingo was asked by Whitebeard’s 13 division captain about why he was laughing, he responded that the feeling of standing right at the ‘turning point of an age’ makes him laugh. And he added to what he said that this place is ‘neutral’.
The word ‘neutral’ was stressed in the Japanese version. This signifies that Doflamingo believes that a battle between one of the four emperors and the marines is ‘neutral’ and whoever wins will be able to create a ‘new age’.

My theory is that Doflamingo was funding Kaido with Smile so as to wage a war against the marines/World Government just as Whitebeard had done, and create an opportunity for himself to reach the ‘national treasure’.

After Aokiji saved Smoker from Doflamingo at Punk Hazard, Smoker said that he must be connected to the underworld.

Being connected to underworld allows Aokiji to sniff out information that eludes the Government.

After conciliating Smoker that he is still the same person, he told him to be wary of Doflamingo. He was speaking of him as a 'threat' to Sakazuki and his new Marine HQ, and he told him to tell Sakazuki to "mobilize" the admirals because things could go from bad (which is what's happening) to worse (which is what is about to happen), and fast(without warning).

The way Aokiji spoke about the "mobilization" of the admirals was like a warning to make a preparation for war, and a war that could happen without warning.

It appears Aokiji caught a whiff of the war that Kaido and Doflamingo intento wage because of his affiliation to the underworld.

When Doflmaingo gave Monet her ‘final order’ to push the ‘switch’ that will make every life form on Punk Hazard disappear along with hers(except Caesar’s), she said that it’s going to be him who’ll become ‘Pirate King’.

This shows that Doflamingo has the intention of ruling the world as its ‘king’.

Since Doflamingo is pertinacious on becoming the ‘pirate king’, funding Kaido will not work in his favour because it is Kaido that grows stronger instead of him – stronger than Doflamingo. Furthermore, I don’t see how funding an army that is not at his command will help him in his objective of becoming the pirate king. To wage a war against the marines while he has gone through so much trouble of becoming a warlord and taking over Dressrosa so as to leisurely make Smiles for Kaido is counterproductive, unless he has a deeper objective than that. Even if the army manages to emerge victorious in a war against the marines, it will still be Kaido who has won the war. Such victory will not make Doflamingo the ‘pirate king’.
However, if the waging of the war against the marine were to give him an opportunity to get his hands on the national treasure, which is said to make a person able to ‘rule the world, it would reasonably explain how he intends to become the pirate king.

This reminds me of what Blackbeard has done to them. While the marine forces were all occupied with Whitebeard’s war, Blackbeard used that opportunity to sneak to Impel Down to fulfill his underhanded motive. Same goes for Doflamingo: while the government’s forces are occupied by a war against Kaido, he will use that opportunity to sneak to Mariejois and reach the national treasure.

After Blackbeard successfully executed his plan of sneaking to Impel Down and fulfilling his underhanded motive, Doflamingo was shown brimming with excitement at that.

Oda-sensei did this for a reason – a reason that we will discover later on as the story progresses. Doflamingo was shown being excited at both the idea of a war between an emperor and also the idea of using that war to one’s own advantage. As the story progressed, we discovered that Doflamingo was trying to execute the same thing(war) using Kaido, so it is reasonable to think that the next step is likely tol be similar to what Blackbeard has done.


When Doflamingo was talking about his past, he said that he swore to destroy the world that the celestial dragons control.
To accomplish something of this magnitude, Doflamingo would need the greatest power there is: one of the ancient weapons.

Through the destruction of the world that has been controlled by the celestial dragons, and through his ‘reign’ over the One Piece world by the ‘national treasure’, Doflamingo will have created a ‘new age’. So this stands as a decent explanation for his aim of creating a ‘new age’.

22 years ago at Ohara, when Dr Clover was deeply engaged in a discussion with the ‘five elders’ about his ‘hypothesis’ concerning the void century, he said that there existed an ‘enormous kingdom’(also known as the Great Kingdom) that prided itself on its ‘great power’, but when that kingdom ‘realized’ that they were about to be defeated by their ‘enemies’(the World Government), they engraved their ‘ideas’ on indestructible stones, known as the poneglyphs, and scattered them over the globe. In other words, the Great Kingdom was able to ‘foresee’ with great certainty their loss.
This alludes to the notion that their enemies, the world government, had obtained a ‘power’ that far surpassed the ‘great power’ of the Great Kingdom and made the World Government’s victory over the Great Kingdom predictably ensured and unavoidable.


After writing their ideas on the poneglyphs and scattering them throughout the world, the Great Kingdom was completely defeated insomuch as ‘nothing has remained of it’.
The only thing that can do something like this are the ancient weapons.


When Crocodile was talking about Pluton, he said that one of its blasts is capable of destroying an ‘entire island’ without leaving a trace.
It’s exactly the same thing that had happened with the ancient kingdom because, according to Professor Clover, ‘nothing has remained of that kingdom’, aside from information about it one the glyphs.

As Dr Clover was telling us the ‘hypothesis’ behind the void century, he said that the ‘fallen people’ engraved their history on ‘indestructible’ stones, known as the poneglyphs, because they had ‘enemies’(the World Government).
Among the things that the ‘fallen people’ left to the future generations on the poneglyphs against their enemies were the ‘ancient weapons’. The very engravings of the locations of these ancient weapons strongly imply that the ancient weapons will be ‘needed’ as a ‘countermeasure’ against their ‘enemies’, later known as the ‘World Government’. That is a strong hint that their ‘enemies’ have an ancient weapon.


At Water 7 when Iceberg was talking to Robin about the possibility of having an ancient weapon falling into the ‘wrong hands’, he said that the 'power' that can stop it is the power that can 'match it'. In other words, an ancient weapon.

When Dragon was talking to Sabo near the Gray Terminal, he said that he does not yet have the ‘power’ to change the ways of this land.

When Iceburg and Robin were having their conversation, he said that Robin is the only person capable of resurrecting the ancient weapons because of her ability to read the glyphs.
Later on in the storyline, we discovered that Dragon and the revolutionaries had been looking for Robin and calling her the ‘Flame of Revolution’.
Robin can be of only ‘two’ uses to the revolutionary army: tell them the history from the void century or resurrect the ancient weapons. We all know that Robin doesn’t know the history of the world YET, and that is her purpose in her adventure with Luffy. So the only use she could be to the revolutionaries is by helping them reawaken ‘Pluton’ and find the ‘power’ that can match the other power of the ancient weapon in Mariejois so as to make their battle against the world government on equal footings.

When Doflamingo was narrating a little of the history from the ancient world, he said that 20 kings, known as the ‘creators’, from 20 countries gathered together and formed the World Government.

He further added that the Nefertari family was one of the founders of the World Government.


However, since the Nefertari family both declined the opportunity of joining the ‘creators’ in their movement to Mariejois and ‘secretly’ went against the desires of the World Government by protecting the ‘wishes’ of the ‘Great Kingdom’ (passing on their ideas through poneglyphs) through the ‘concealment’ of a poneglyph in their own country, this signifies that the Nefertari family wasn’t an ‘enemy’ to the ‘Great Kingdom’.
Since Alabasta was ‘concealing’ the poneglyph, which was given to them by the Great Kingdom ‘before’ their demise, and which contains information about Pluton, this both further supports the idea that Alabasta wasn’t their ‘enemy’ and rules out the possibility that ‘Pluton’ was the weapon that has destroyed the ‘Great Kingdom’.


When Kalgara was telling Noland about story behind the poneglyph and its relation to Shandora, he said that Shandora was decimated for ‘protecting’ this stone.
This further indicates that anyone who protected the poneglyph(including Alabasta) is the ‘enemy’ of the World Government because the protection of the glyphs is in and of itself an act of ‘rebellion’ against the World Government. It also further supports the idea that Alabasta wasn’t the enemy of the Great Kingdom.

When Robin reached Fishman Island, she went to read the poneglyph of that island and found that it was ‘almost’ like a letter of apology by a man named ‘Joy Boy’.

When Robin privately asked Neptune about Joy Boy, Neptune responded that Joy Boy was a man who lived in the ‘surface’.
Since the scattering of the poneglyphs throughout the globe was the ‘last resort’ of the Great Kingdom, and Joy Boy was executing his part of the Great Kingdom’s plan of passing on their ideas to the future by scattering the glyphs, it logically follows that Joy Boy was a great part of the Great Kingdom.

As the discussion between Neptune and Robin was progressing, Neptune told Robin that Joy Boy apologized to Poseidon for breaking a promise he made with Fishman Island.
My theory is that the ‘broken promise’ is connected to the downfall of the Great Kingdom.


When Neptune was talking with his sons about the Noah and its connection to the promise made with Joy Boy, he described him as a ‘great man’.
Being described as such implies that Fishman Island and Joy Boy have been on good terms. If one of the patriots(Joy Boy) of the Great Kingdom was in good terms with the people of Fishman Island, that means Poseidon did not perceive the Great Kingdom as an ‘enemy’. Therefore, it couldn’t have been Poseidon that has destroyed the Great Kingdom.

When an important piece of Fishman Island’s history was revealed through Hachi, he had said that ‘up until two hundred years ago’, Fishmen were officially considered as types of ‘fish’.
In other words, from the Void Century up to 200 years ago, the World Government was discriminating against them. This signifies that the World Government wasn’t on ‘good terms’ with Fishman Island. If it wasn’t in good terms, this means that Fishman Island wasn’t part of the alliance that took down the Great Kingdom. And since Fishman Island has Poseidon, this means that Poseidon wasn’t the weapon that was used to obliterate the Great Kingdom.


When Otohime was talking about her daughter, Shirahoshi(also known as the Ancient Weapon Poseidon), she said that her power is capable of sinking the ‘world’ beneath the waves.
The word ‘world’ (世界) (sekai) was stressed in the Japanese version of both Doflamingo and Otohime in exactly the same way.


Since Poseidon’s ability is the ‘submergence’ of things through the power of the Sea Kings instead of the reduction of islands to ‘nothingness’, it couldn’t have been Poseidon that has pulverised the Great Kingdom because the Great Kingdom was reduced to ‘nothingness’. The submergence of islands still leaves practically their entire existence underwater. But Professor Clover said that ‘nothing remains of the Great Kingdom’.

Since two of the three weapons have been logically ruled out, there remains only one weapon, and that is Uranus.
Uranus is named after the Greek god of the sky. Since the ancient weapons are named after deities that coincide with them, Uranus could then be a sky weapon. Furthermore, Mariejoie is in the sky, so Uranus fits smoothly with this theme.

Back in Alabasta, Crocodile’s ultimate objective was the acquisition of an ancient weapon.
Since the parallels between Alabasta and Dressrosa are too great to dismiss, it follows that Doflamingo’s ultimate objective of the obtainment of the ‘national treasure’ must be exactly similar to that of Crocodile. In other words, the acquisition of an ancient weapon.

These are my thoughts for why the national treasure must be the Ancient Weapon Uranus.

Thank you for reading.
 
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Very nicely written and well research which made it interesting to read, I do have some things I'd like to point out.


  1. The information carried on Ancient Weapons can only be found on Poneglyphs and Robin is the only one capable of actually locating them or even activating them.
  2. Crocodile confirmed his pursuit of Pluton was merely based off following a rumour. He only believed it existed after interaction with both Nerfertari family and Robin.
  3. The WG don't appear to have any knowledge on the existence of Poseidon or have shown any interest towards it which is odd for megalomaniacs.
Poisedon wasn't awake during Roger's era, so the weapon that Roger probably found is Pluton, but whose to say it isn't Uranus either?
  1. If Pluton unlike Poseidon which is an actual object requires the likes of Robin to activate, if Uranus were an object too, surely it'd require Robin or someone like Roger who similarly can understand the Ancient texts to activate it.
  2. Why would Celestial Dragons have access to a weapon created by the Ancient Kingdom if its secrecy and existence can only be found in Poneglyphs which they can't understand?
  3. Why didn't Joker attempt to kidnap Robin or show any interest in her? She has the greatest affiliation with the Void Century and Ancient Weapons.
  4. Why didn't Joker show any interest in the Void Century or the mention Ancient Weapons or at least hint?
It would make sense if the Nation treasure was something powerful, I just doubt it's an Ancient Weapon. If they're capable of using it too, it's less likely to be an Ancient Weapon too imo because it's not something that just anyone should be able to make use of.

If Joker had at least shown some interest in Robin or they at least shared a conversation, it'd be more believable. Also, I doubt Robin wouldn't be involved in any scene that's not pertaining to the Ancient Weapons, so this is something probably different to the Ancient Weapons.
 

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Very nicely written and well research which made it interesting to read, I do have some things I'd like to point out.
Thank you , Hannibal Psyche.

The information carried on Ancient Weapons can only be found on Poneglyphs and Robin is the only one capable of actually locating them or even activating them.
Not at all. Vander Decken knew about Shirahoshi without having to read the glyphs. There are many other examples too.

Crocodile confirmed his pursuit of Pluton was merely based off following a rumour. He only believed it existed after interaction with both Nerfertari family and Robin.
Source?

The WG don't appear to have any knowledge on the existence of Poseidon or have shown any interest towards it which is odd for megalomaniacs.
No, it isn’t odd. Poseidon is a mortal creature. Even if they knew about her, they will eventually reach the conclusion that she will disappear with time.

As for why they do not know about her today, it’s because her existence has been kept secret from anyone outside the royal family of Fishman Island. Let’s also not forget that she was kept in a room for 10 years because Decken was after her, so of course the Gov won’t know about her.

Poisedon wasn't awake during Roger's era, so the weapon that Roger probably found is Pluton, but whose to say it isn't Uranus either?

If Pluton unlike Poseidon which is an actual object requires the likes of Robin to activate, if Uranus were an object too, surely it'd require Robin or someone like Roger who similarly can understand the Ancient texts to activate it.
Awaken is a more appropriate word. Robin reads the glyphs and is able to awaken the ancient weapons. In other words, find where they are. Uranus won’t need Robin if the weapon has been hidden in Mariejois from the Void Century.
Why would Celestial Dragons have access to a weapon created by the Ancient Kingdom if its secrecy and existence can only be found in Poneglyphs which they can't understand?
It was never said that the ancient weapons were created by the Ancient Kingdom, let alone Uranus. Uranus could have been created by the 'alliance'(20 kings who took down the Ancient Kingdom). Poseidon is a mermaid, so it doesn’t make sense to say it was created, let alone by the Ancient Kingdom.

22 years ago at Ohara, when Dr Clover was deeply engaged in a discussion with the ‘five elders’ about his ‘hypothesis’ concerning the void century, he said that there existed an ‘enormous kingdom’(also known as the Great Kingdom) that prided itself on its ‘great power’, but when that kingdom ‘realized’ that they were about to be defeated by their ‘enemies’(the World Government), they engraved their ‘ideas’ on indestructible stones, known as the poneglyphs, and scattered them over the globe. In other words, the Great Kingdom was able to ‘foresee’ with great certainty their loss.


This alludes to the notion that their enemies, the world government, had obtained a ‘power’ that far surpassed the ‘great power’ of the Great Kingdom and made the World Government’s victory over the Great Kingdom predictably ensured and unavoidable.
Why didn't Joker attempt to kidnap Robin or show any interest in her? She has the greatest affiliation with the Void Century and Ancient Weapons.
Because Crocodile was concealing her. Robin was using a code name back then. After being separated from Crocodile, she was with Luffy ever since. Even the revolutionaries didn’t know that she was with Crocodile. So it makes sense that Doflamingo wouldn’t know about her.

Why didn't Joker show any interest in the Void Century or the mention Ancient Weapons or at least hint?
What kind of interest? The hints are in the theory( like the destruction of the world, ruling of the world, etc). These are all things of a big scale that only the ancient weapons can achieve.
 
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Thank you , Hannibal Psyche.


Not at all. Vander Decken knew about Shirahoshi without having to read the glyphs. There are many other examples too.



Source?


No, it isn’t odd. Poseidon is a mortal creature. Even if they knew about her, they will eventually reach the conclusion that she will disappear with time.

As for why they do not know about her today, it’s because her existence has been kept secret from anyone outside the royal family of Fishman Island. Let’s also not forget that she was kept in a room for 10 years because Decken was after her, so of course the Gov won’t know about her.



Awaken is a more appropriate word. Robin reads the glyphs and is able to awaken the ancient weapons. In other words, find where they are. Uranus won’t need Robin if the weapon has been hidden in Mariejois from the Void Century.

It was never said that the ancient weapons were created by the Ancient Kingdom, let alone Uranus. Poseidon is a mermaid, so it doesn’t make sense to say it was created, let alone by the Ancient Kingdom.





Because Crocodile was concealing her. Robin was using a code name back then. After being separated from Crocodile, she was with Luffy ever since. Even the revolutionaries didn’t know that she was with Crocodile. So it makes sense that Doflamingo wouldn’t know about her.


What kind of interest? The hints are in the theory( like the destruction of the world, ruling of the world, etc). These are all things of a big scale that only the ancient weapons can achieve.
Van der Decken said only his family were aware or understood the truth behind the Legend of Poseidon.

Here King Neptune states if the Government were aware of her powers, they'd also be in search of her just as Vander Decken was, the Government haven't shown any interest in Poseidon which implies they're not aware of the existence of Poseidon or the Legend. Robin was, and it's most likely because she read the Ponegylphs moments before she saw Shirahoshi call on the Sea kings.

Also, concerning the Crocodile's knowing about Pluton, it's tacitly stated:
The Nefertari kingdom who are supposed to have kept the Pluton a secret (the king to be more specific). King Nefertari asks Crocodile where he's heard it from which implies it's not something that's found in any other historical documents or he wouldn't be asking how he heard about it, he'd just have known it's one of the historical documents out there. Implies knowledge about it is only found in the Poneglyphs which implies it was created within the Void Century or at least only used then. Also, it's something that very few people have heard, and Crocodile is one of those few people.

Also,we know this Ancient Kingdom created Poneglyphs which are indestructable, so it's even more likely that it's this Ancient Kingdom that created Pluton and Uranus if it's an object too. The Ancient Kingdom is even referred to as a great power which could imply not just power, but knowledge too, so it's even more likely that they created the Ancient Weapons Pluton at the very least. The WG are made up of 170 nations and yet they don't even know how to create an Ancient Weapon or its location, so it's more likely that this weapon was something from the Ancient Kingdom or at the very least by hands not affiliated with the World Government.

The WG at least are not the ones who created it or they'd just recreate another one of these Ancient Weapons, in one Panel we see the WG saying these Ancient Weapons will be ours and we will put an end to this Pirate Era. If they were indeed in possession of Uranus, surely they could end the Pirate Era already? it also seems they're in a rush to do something about this era, so for them to be in possession of an Ancient Weapon is unlikely at this point or they'd do something about this era already.

There's also no proof to say that What Roger found wasn't Uranus either, it's only most likely to be Pluton only because it's the only Ancient Weapon we've heard circulating around One Piece so far. Could argue that Shiki did say "your Ancient weapons and my Man power" which would imply it's requiring a lot of man power to manoeuvre which would be fit for a large ship, but we don't know if Uranus also requires a lot of man power too.

Seeing as the Government are currently not shown to have awareness of Poseidon or whereabouts of Pluton (or they wouldn't so desperately need the Pluton Blueprint) and seemingly still lack the power to end the Pirate Age, it's unlikely they're in possession of Uranus which should give them that power or any Ancient Weapon. I just can't see how the World Government would be in possession of a weapon that's kept secret and can only be found by reading the Poneglyphs.

The National Treasure could equally be a weapon too, but something that requires immortality to use. Perhaps a Biological Weapon of some sort? Something that kills both the user and target? Something that requires immunity to use at the very least.
 

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1) Pluton = a dumb object which can't do anything by itself

2) Poseidon = a crying babe

3) Uranus = something neither object or living being.

In ch 0, Dragon entered a dark cave with no tattoo on his face, one of the biggest mysteries in OP.
 

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@Australopithecus Thanks for taking the time to post this theory. I would say that it is rather predictable that the national treasure is one of the Ancient weapons, many thought that when that chapter came out. If I may add, since Uranus is the Greek God associated with the sky, it is most likely an aircraft, or an airborne creature, just like Shirahoshi is a mermaid. However I'm leaning more towards Uranus being an airship, and this is tied to the Tenryuubitos themselves.
If you have noticed, they seem to wear space gear, like the one typically wore by aliens. And their name itself "Celestial Dragons" reflects that too. So it wouldn't be surprising if Uranus was actually an airship.Its original goal then wouldn't be to destroy the world, but to be used by the Celestial dragons to go into space.
During Enel's cover story he goes into the underground metropolis and finds this:

It is thought that the three weapons are represented there, and this might be even an explanation about their origin.
Also while DD's goal is the destruction of the world, it can't be said that it is Kaido's, however like you said this might be a diversion in order to get the national treasure. However Law, or rather his fruit, are going to be key in getting it, since it seems he needs it in order to reach the national treasure.

Also I took the liberty of putting the images under spoiler tags, I suggest you do so from now on, especially if you're going to post something that is substantially long.
 
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Van der Decken said only his family were aware or understood the truth behind the Legend of Poseidon.

Here King Neptune states if the Government were aware of her powers, they'd also be in search of her just as Vander Decken was, the Government haven't shown any interest in Poseidon which implies they're not aware of the existence of Poseidon or the Legend. Robin was, and it's most likely because she read the Ponegylphs moments before she saw Shirahoshi call on the Sea kings.
That is not Neptune. That is Robin. Use the anime to confirm the authenticity of my words if you don't trust me.


Also, concerning the Crocodile's knowing about Pluton, it's tacitly stated:
The Nefertari kingdom who are supposed to have kept the Pluton a secret (the king to be more specific). King Nefertari asks Crocodile where he's heard it from which implies it's not something that's found in any other historical documents or he wouldn't be asking how he heard about it, he'd just have known it's one of the historical documents out there. Implies knowledge about it is only found in the Poneglyphs which implies it was created within the Void Century or at least only used then. Also, it's something that very few people have heard, and Crocodile is one of those few people.
He said how does he 'know' about it. Big difference.



Also,we know this Ancient Kingdom created Poneglyphs which are indestructable, so it's even more likely that it's this Ancient Kingdom that created Pluton and Uranus if it's an object too. The Ancient Kingdom is even referred to as a great power which could imply not just power, but knowledge too, so it's even more likely that they created the Ancient Weapons Pluton at the very least. The WG are made up of 170 nations and yet they don't even know how to create an Ancient Weapon or its location, so it's more likely that this weapon was something from the Ancient Kingdom or at the very least by hands not affiliated with the World Government.
There are several scenarios behind the weapon's creation. It does not dismiss the possibility that it was the Gov who created it. And by this I am not limiting it just to the Gov. It could have been the Ancient Kingdom who created it as well.





The WG at least are not the ones who created it or they'd just recreate another one of these Ancient Weapons, in one Panel we see the WG saying these Ancient Weapons will be ours and we will put an end to this Pirate Era. If they were indeed in possession of Uranus, surely they could end the Pirate Era already? it also seems they're in a rush to do something about this era, so for them to be in possession of an Ancient Weapon is unlikely at this point or they'd do something about this era already.
They could have killed the creator of the weapon, fearing he would join the opposite side and create for them another similar(and possibly greater) weapon. Like I said there is a profusion of scenarios regarding this matter. In any case, limiting it to two possibilities is the 'false dilemma fallacy'.


There's also no proof to say that What Roger found wasn't Uranus either, it's only most likely to be Pluton only because it's the only Ancient Weapon we've heard circulating around One Piece so far. Could argue that Shiki did say "your Ancient weapons and my Man power" which would imply it's requiring a lot of man power to manoeuvre which would be fit for a large ship, but we don't know if Uranus also requires a lot of man power too.
Remeber the glyph at Skypea? It had Roger's name on it. That very glyph tells about Poseidon's location. Therefore, the weapon that Roger discovered (from the glyphs) was Poseidon.



Seeing as the Government are currently not shown to have awareness of Poseidon or whereabouts of Pluton (or they wouldn't so desperately need the Pluton Blueprint) and seemingly still lack the power to end the Pirate Age, it's unlikely they're in possession of Uranus which should give them that power or any Ancient Weapon. I just can't see how the World Government would be in possession of a weapon that's kept secret and can only be found by reading the Poneglyphs.
At his last breaths, Whitebeard said that the Government is afraid of the upcoming war that will engulf the world.

To leave a weapon that is going to make another force(like the revolutionaries or Crocodile) a ‘threat’ to their reign is risky. If they obtain a second weapon, they will either greatly diminish the risk that threatens their reign or truly become ‘invincible’.

Uranus is a weapon of mass destruction. Its use on pirates will cause more harm than good to the people of the world. Since Uranus is a threat to world peace, its wielder will be considered a threat to world peace as well, and the world will start to take countermeasures against the threat to world piece(World Government).

When Spanda mentioned Pluton’s blueprint for the first time to the ‘five elders’, they said: ‘so there really is such a thing’. This indicates that they were aware of its existence, but they had doubts, and Spanda was assuring them of the blueprints' existence.

The reason they had doubts was because they have kept going after the blueprints for over 800 years, but they couldn’t get their hands on them.

When Franky was talking to Spanda, he said that the ‘designer’s wish’ was not ‘how to make a weapon’, but to create an ‘opposing power’ in case the weapon, Pluton, falls into the hands of an idiot like Spanda and starts its rampage.

In other words, this was a precaution against the worst case scenario in which the weapon, Pluton, falls into the hands of people like Spanda( Government). It implies that the designers was not against the creation of Pluton(otherwise he wouldn’t have created it), but he was taking precaution against the scenario of having the weapon acquired by people like the Gov. Aware of the blueprint’s existence, the Government couldn’t afford to be stupid enough to precipitate that which they dread through the use of Uranus.

In the Japanese raw, ‘how to make a weapon’, the ‘designer’s wish’ and the ‘opposing power’ were all stressed. The ‘opposing power’ was stressed over and over and over again. It’s like Oda-sensei is telling us,’yes, they have a weapon’. I check the raw to both see if the English translation matches with the original text and see where Oda-sensei puts his stress.

When Professor Clover was talking with Robin, he said that when the prohibition of studying the history of the Void Century became the world’s law, scholars throughout the world lost their lives. In other words, there have been a myriad of people who could ‘decipher’ the glyphs during these 800 years.

For people who dread the big war, the use of Uranus will only precipitate the war. As long as both the people who could decipher the glyphs and the blueprint exist, the use of Uranus will backfire on them. However, the use of Uranus after they get their hands on another weapon is a different argument.

When Lucci was talking to Iceburg, he said that they will awaken the weapon and make it be the ‘power of justice’.
In other words, it will become the power of the Government. The Government and justice are interchangeable terms in One Piece.

To this Iceburg answered that the awakening of the weapon will make the entire world fight over it and the suffering will increase.

It won’t matter under whose possession the weapon is(Gov in this case); everyone in every nook and cranny will set their sights on it and try to take it even if it means loosing their lives in the process because it is the ‘nature of humans’. The ‘nature of humans’ was stressed in the Japanese text. If the Government is aware of this scenario, it will be reasonable to try and avoid it through the concealment of the weapon.

The National Treasure could equally be a weapon too, but something that requires immortality to use. Perhaps a Biological Weapon of some sort? Something that kills both the user and target? Something that requires immunity to use at the very least.
When Doflamingo began talking about Law’s Ope Ope, he said that if he had had it, he would have been able to use the national treasure that day(past conditional). And he followed what he said with ‘not to mention, your personality transplant and the ageless surgery.’

The expression ‘not to mention’ is used to introduce additional information. So that means that the personality transplant and the ageless surgery are ‘additional uses’ to what he was previously talking about(the panel that you showed me).

@Australopithecus Thanks for taking the time to post this theory.
The pleasure was mine.



I would say that it is rather predictable that the national treasure is one of the Ancient weapons, many thought that when that chapter came out.
Saying that the national treasure is a weapon because it is said to be able to control the world will be ‘inductively weak.’ However, when that thought is supported by various evidence from the manga, its credibility vastly increases. Furthermore, the theory doesn’t limit itself to simply an ancient weapon; it even tells which one.

If I may add, since Uranus is the Greek God associated with the sky, it is most likely an aircraft, or an airborne creature, just like Shirahoshi is a mermaid.
The possibility of what its nature could be should not be limited to two choices. There are several possibilities as to what it could be.

Have you watched ‘Laputa: Castle in the Sky’? If not, I strongly suggest that you watch it.

You can have a good idea about what Uranus could be then.
However I'm leaning more towards Uranus being an airship, and this is tied to the Tenryuubitos themselves.
If you have noticed, they seem to wear space gear, like the one typically wore by aliens. And their name itself "Celestial Dragons" reflects that too.
I thought that they wear those ‘helmets’, which are parts of their ‘space suit, so as to not ‘breath’ the same air as the people of the ‘lowly commoners’. The suit itself could serve practically the same purpose. In other words, they wear it so as to not have their skin make contact with the same air as that of the ‘lowly commoners’.

So it wouldn't be surprising if Uranus was actually an airship.Its original goal then wouldn't be to destroy the world, but to be used by the Celestial dragons to go into space.
The fact remain, Uranus is capable of destroying the world.




During Enel's cover story he goes into the underground metropolis and finds this:

It is thought that the three weapons are represented there, and this might be even an explanation about their origin.
Not sure whether or not that represents the ancient weapons, but one thing that caught my eye was what looked like a sacrifice similar to the ‘heart removal sacrifice’ used by the Aztecs.



Also while DD's goal is the destruction of the world, it can't be said that it is Kaido's,
He has expressed here a desire to destroy the world.



however like you said this might be a diversion in order to get the national treasure. However Law, or rather his fruit, are going to be key in getting it, since it seems he needs it in order to reach the national treasure.
Explain further. As far as I know, nothing suggests that he 'needs' Law's ability to use the national treasure. If you have something that shows for certain that he needs Law's ability to use the national treasure, pleasure share it with us. It would help greatly.

Also I took the liberty of putting the images under spoiler tags, I suggest you do so from now on, especially if you're going to post something that is substantially long.
Your suggestion is noted.
 
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I've recently came up with a theory that Uranus, the sky AW, is actually where Enel is right now. The moon itself is an AW. Uranus is the Death Star.
 

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Maybe Uranus relates not to an Object, but to another Power:


If we remember: All of the 3 Ancient Weapons have the Power to literally Shake the World to its very Core and destroy it:

Maybe Oda-Sensei is letting us thinking too hard and the third Weapon, Uranus, is something we already know.

All 3 Of them bring Destruction:


1. Pluton (Earth/Surface-based) - Can literally blast a whole Island from the face of the Earth
2. Poseidon (Water-based) - Can call the Sea Kings wich will drown the lands within a massive wave and the 3rd and final
3. Uranus (Sky-based) - Maybe a Power which can break the Sky and vaporize the Heavens...

And where have we seen a Power that can affect/crack up the Heavens, can drastically change the landscape forever and bring completel devestation to a whole part of the map which then has to be rewritten? Right, at the Battle Of Marine Ford!

Hence the 3rd and final Ancient Weapon could as well be none other than the strongest Paramecia-Type Devil Fruit in Existence:


Late Shirohige's own: The Gura Gura No Mi.
 
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That is not Neptune. That is Robin. Use the anime to confirm the authenticity of my words if you don't trust me.
It's not about trust, it's still besides the point, the WG would still have come for Poseidon if they knew about it; hell, they came for Robin when all she could do was locate the Ancient Weapon, Shirahoshi is much more valuable and much more dangerous than Robin is, yet they're not even coming after her.

The WG went ahead to get Pluton because they didn't want that power in the wrong hands, and of course they want to enforce their own justice and end the Pirate Age.

If the WG truly were in possession of Uranus which you believe to be the National Treasure, then why don't they end the age already? The Gorosei here have stated they need the Ancient Weapon to destroy the age.

Again, Crocodile didn't know or wasn't sure about the existence of Pluton, he only confirmed its existence after his stay in Alabasta. Why would King Nefertari ask how he knew about that name if it's something that could just be read about? He knew it was something that was recorded on Poneglyph, in other words it's a secret that shouldn't be known. Ancient Weapons aren't things people just know about, they're heavily kept secrets which is why they're only recorded on Poneglyphs.

The Government also don't want the Poneglyphs being studied because they also carry information and whereabouts of Ancient Weapons which even they themselves can't decipher. They didn't ban any other study of history, only that of the Void Century and it's because of the information it carries.

The fact that it's the Ancient Kingdom created the Poneglyph implies they're the ones who possessed, owned and most likely created Ancient Weapons if they're not actual beings like Poseidon.

The Ancient Kingdom have not be portrayed as being violent or evil, don't forget it's 20 kingdoms that went against them, that's bullying. The 20 kingdoms then kept this victory over this 1 kingdom a secret? Surely, if this Kingdom were terrorists of some sort or a threat, they should be proud of this victory and pridefully telling the tale of how things developed. The fact they're hiding their history with their victory over this kingdom implies they're the villains, not the Ancient Kingdom, so chances are they didn't kill for this weapon, but actually created it.

The Poneglyphs carry information on the Ancient Weapons along with location and to date, that's from between 800 years ago at least. Are you implying the WG was already in possession of Uranus which is why they were able to destroy the Great Kingdom? Why would the Ancient Kingdom be giving the location to something in possession of the WG? Surely the WG would would have kept it secret even from the Ancient Kingdom?

Also, we never heard about Roger going to Alabasta so we don't even know if he read about Pluton; we know he went to Skypiea which held the Poneglyph referring to Poseidon; and we know he also went through Fishman Island, the Poneglyph mentioned Uranus. So we don't know for sure if he found Uranus or Pluton, it could be either, not enough sufficient information to substantially claim which.

It's a good theory, I made one exactly stating that Uranus was the National treasure, but there's a lot of flaws once it's clear the Ancient Weapons are most likely something created by the Ancient Kingdom and more so since it's on the Poneglyphs recorded by this Kingdom.
 

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If the WG truly were in possession of Uranus which you believe to be the National Treasure, then why don't they end the age already?
Excuse my candidness, but you are going in circles here, my friend. I have already given you an answer to this.

The Gorosei here have stated they need the Ancient Weapon to destroy the age.
The Gorosei said to Spanda to bring them the weapon, and then they'll talk again.
This suggests that they could have other uses for it.

I haven't read your entire post,; I'll read it later.
 

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Excuse my candidness, but you are going in circles here, my friend. I have already given you an answer to this.


The Gorosei said to Spanda to bring them the weapon, and then they'll talk again.
This suggests that they could have other uses for it.

I haven't read your entire post,; I'll read it later.
It's understandable, we can agree to disagree; nonetheless, nice theory. :)
 

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It's understandable, we can agree to disagree; nonetheless, nice theory. :)
I sincerely apologize if I ended up saying something bad. It was never my intention. Trust me on this.


It's not about trust, it's still besides the point, the WG would still have come for Poseidon if they knew about it; hell, they came for Robin when all she could do was locate the Ancient Weapon, Shirahoshi is much more valuable and much more dangerous than Robin is, yet they're not even coming after her.
What I meant to say regarding trust is, if you doubt that my reasoning is wrong, just consult a much more reliable source.

Regarding Poseidon, I said this before, and I will say it again.

It is perfectly reasonable for the Government to consider Poseidon 'dead' because Poseidon has indeed died. Poseidon is a living creature. It poses a threat to the government but only temporarily. It has been 800 years after Poseidon died. Even if the Government was aware of her existence, they will not come looking for her because they must have reached the conclusion 800 years ago that Poseidon will die eventually, and there will be neither a power for them to take nor a threat to their rule. That why I told you that there is nothing odd under this possibility.

The WG went ahead to get Pluton because they didn't want that power in the wrong hands, and of course they want to enforce their own justice and end the Pirate Age.

If the WG truly were in possession of Uranus which you believe to be the National Treasure, then why don't they end the age already?
Okay. I'll answer this question. Using Uranus will cause more harm then good to the citizens. It's more than using a nuclear bomb. It is an apocalyptic weapon. If that weapon was used on the pirates to try to end the pirate age, Iceburg would have created Pluton using the blueprints to create an 'opposing power'. I supported this by what I said. The Government is aware of the blueprint's existence as well as the scenario that follows their use of the weapon. That is why they think it is no good, unless they get their hands on Pluton. That way, even if they use Uranus and somehow Pluton is reawakened, they will have two weapon over 1. There won't be much threat to their rule.

The Gorosei here have stated they need the Ancient Weapon to destroy the age.
The only thing the five elders told Spandam was to bring them the weapon, and then they'll talk again( about the same subject). In other words, they haven't confirmed to him that they will indeed use it to end the pirate age.
Again, Crocodile didn't know or wasn't sure about the existence of Pluton, he only confirmed its existence after his stay in Alabasta. Why would King Nefertari ask how he knew about that name if it's something that could just be read about? He knew it was something that was recorded on Poneglyph, in other words it's a secret that shouldn't be known. Ancient Weapons aren't things people just know about, they're heavily kept secrets which is why they're only recorded on Poneglyphs.
Don't forget that Crocodile is a warlord. He was part of the Government. He could have gotten it from the Government somehow. Crocodile was certain about Pluton's existence. I don't know how he got that information, but he went to great lengths because he believed in its existence. He even knew about the glyphs and what they could do. It is not impossible for Crocodile to know somehow that the weapon is said to be in Alabasata. Crocodile could be a special case like Vanderdecken. In other words, he has known about the secret from his ancestor(s).



The Government also don't want the Poneglyphs being studied because they also carry information and whereabouts of Ancient Weapons which even they themselves can't decipher. They didn't ban any other study of history, only that of the Void Century and it's because of the information it carries.
Yes, of course. I know this.

The fact that it's the Ancient Kingdom created the Poneglyph implies they're the ones who possessed, owned and most likely created Ancient Weapons if they're not actual beings like Poseidon.
Not at all. We don't know much about the Void Century to simply limit it to this. Unless, evidence that limits it to this is provided, the possibility that Uranus was created by the 'alliance' 900/800 years ago still remains. By this, I am not limiting it only to this possibility. It could have been that the Ancient Kingdom created them as well. These possibilities should be open for consideration.

The Ancient Kingdom have not be portrayed as being violent or evil, don't forget it's 20 kingdoms that went against them, that's bullying. The 20 kingdoms then kept this victory over this 1 kingdom a secret? Surely, if this Kingdom were terrorists of some sort or a threat, they should be proud of this victory and pridefully telling the tale of how things developed. The fact they're hiding their history with their victory over this kingdom implies they're the villains, not the Ancient Kingdom, so chances are they didn't kill for this weapon, but actually created it.
'bullying'. Haha, that's cool. I mean I like your use of that word.

When Doflamingo was talking about this, he said 20 kings from 20 kingdom. It is unknown whether their kingdoms have been dragged to war or just the 20 kings themselves who did it.

He further said that the 20 kings have abdicated their thrones.



The Poneglyphs carry information on the Ancient Weapons along with location and to date, that's from between 800 years ago at least. Are you implying the WG was already in possession of Uranus which is why they were able to destroy the Great Kingdom?
Yes, that is exactly what I am implying.
Why would the Ancient Kingdom be giving the location to something in possession of the WG? Surely the WG would would have kept it secret even from the Ancient Kingdom?
It was never said whether the Ancient Kingdom gives the location of Uranus or whether they just wrote about it for their reasons. Personally, I lean to the latter. I think they wrote about it so as to warn the next generation what they are up against. All that was said was that there existed three weapons in the Ancient Times.


Unless evidence beyond any possible(or reasonable) doubt is provided, the possibility that the the Ancient Kingdom wrote about it so as to warn the next generation what they are up against still remains.

Also, we never heard about Roger going to Alabasta so we don't even know if he read about Pluton; we know he went to Skypiea which held the Poneglyph referring to Poseidon; and we know he also went through Fishman Island, the Poneglyph mentioned Uranus. So we don't know for sure if he found Uranus or Pluton, it could be either, not enough sufficient information to substantially claim which.
No, the poneglyph in Fishman Island is not known whether it tells about Uranus or not. When Robin found it, this is all she said:

It's a good theory, I made one exactly stating that Uranus was the National treasure, but there's a lot of flaws once it's clear the Ancient Weapons are most likely something created by the Ancient Kingdom and more so since it's on the Poneglyphs recorded by this Kingdom.
Thanks! So far, there have been no inconsistencies in my theory :)
 
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I sincerely apologize if I ended up saying something bad. It was never my intention. Trust me on this.



What I meant to say regarding trust is, if you doubt that my reasoning is wrong, just consult a much more reliable source.

Regarding Poseidon, I said this before, and I will say it again.

It is perfectly reasonable for the Government to consider Poseidon 'dead' because Poseidon has indeed died. Poseidon is a living creature. It poses a threat to the government but only temporarily. It has been 800 years after Poseidon died. Even if the Government was aware of her existence, they will not come looking for her because they must have reached the conclusion 800 years ago that Poseidon will die eventually, and there will be neither a power for them to take nor a threat to their rule. That why I told you that there is nothing odd under this possibility.



Okay. I'll answer this question. Using Uranus will cause more harm then good to the citizens. It's more than using a nuclear bomb. It is an apocalyptic weapon. If that weapon was used on the pirates to try to end the pirate age, Iceburg would have created Pluton using the blueprints to create an 'opposing power'. I supported this by what I said. The Government is aware of the blueprint's existence as well as the scenario that follows their use of the weapon. That is why they think it is no good, unless they get their hands on Pluton. That way, even if they use Uranus and somehow Pluton is reawakened, they will have two weapon over 1. There won't be much threat to their rule.



The only thing the five elders told Spandam was to bring them the weapon, and then they'll talk again( about the same subject). In other words, they haven't confirmed to him that they will indeed use it to end the pirate age.


Don't forget that Crocodile is a warlord. He was part of the Government. He could have gotten it from the Government somehow. Crocodile was certain about Pluton's existence. I don't know how he got that information, but he went to great lengths because he believed in its existence. He even knew about the glyphs and what they could do. It is not impossible for Crocodile to know somehow that the weapon is said to be in Alabasata. Crocodile could be a special case like Vanderdecken. In other words, he has known about the secret from his ancestor(s).





Yes, of course. I know this.


Not at all. We don't know much about the Void Century to simply limit it to this. Unless, evidence that limits it to this is provided, the possibility that Uranus was created by the 'alliance' 900/800 years ago still remains. By this, I am not limiting it only to this possibility. It could have been that the Ancient Kingdom created them as well. These possibilities should be open for consideration.



'bullying'. Haha, that's cool. I mean I like your use of that word.

When Doflamingo was talking about this, he said 20 kings from 20 kingdom. It is unknown whether their kingdoms have been dragged to war or just the 20 kings themselves who did it.

He further said that the 20 kings have abdicated their thrones.





Yes, that is exactly what I am implying.

It was never said whether the Ancient Kingdom gives the location of Uranus or whether they just wrote about it for their reasons. Personally, I lean to the latter. I think they wrote about it so as to warn the next generation what they are up against. All that was said was that there existed three weapons in the Ancient Times.


Unless evidence beyond any possible(or reasonable) doubt is provided, the possibility that the the Ancient Kingdom wrote about it so as to warn the next generation what they are up against still remains.



No, the poneglyph in Fishman Island is not known whether it tells about Uranus or not. When Robin found it, this is all she said:



Thanks! So far, there have been no inconsistencies in my theory :)
Ah no, I only meant that as to not go in circles as it'd be counter-productive and possibly put off other readers from reading further, lol. We'd need to see eye to eye or at least be on the same page, but we both have 2 opposing premises such as you believe they used Uranus to destroy the Ancient Kingdom while I believe the Ancient Kingdom were the ones who owned Uranus/Pluton, so our conclusions will end undoubtedly be different. Still, it's a great theory even if I disagree for the most part. If you read one of my latter theories, this was exactly conclusion that Uranus was indeed the National treasure, it's only been about a month since I started being skeptical about that, lol.

Inconsistencies are good, it opens up more questions and leads to more accurate answers. :)
 

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When Doflamingo began talking about Law’s Ope Ope, he said that if he had had it, he would have been able to use the national treasure that day(past conditional). And he followed what he said with ‘not to mention, your personality transplant and the ageless surgery.’
From that quote I had the impression that Uranus is a person, or something like it, who is in the possession of the World Government. Maybe a Akuma no Mi that has been passed throw generations (or staying in one person, since is strongely suggested that some people in the WG have been made immortal throw the Ope Ope no Mi Ageless Surgery).

From DoFlamingo explanation, I thought that was suggested that if he had an ally with the Ope Ope no Mi, he could swap the personalitys with Uranus, putting Doffy in the possession of Uranus Body and, therefore, being the ancient weapon itself.
 

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From that quote I had the impression that Uranus is a person, or something like it, who is in the possession of the World Government. Maybe a Akuma no Mi that has been passed throw generations (or staying in one person, since is strongely suggested that some people in the WG have been made immortal throw the Ope Ope no Mi Ageless Surgery).

From DoFlamingo explanation, I thought that was suggested that if he had an ally with the Ope Ope no Mi, he could swap the personalitys with Uranus, putting Doffy in the possession of Uranus Body and, therefore, being the ancient weapon itself.
1000% AGREE WITH YOU ,i also think URANUS IS A PERSON,
the only Ancient Weapon is not, is PLUTON, The Kickass Ship ,

Im goin to set up an scenario, in with EVERYTHING WORKS PERFECTLY BY mingo, since the day he leave MARIEJOIS,
reaching to, his goal - lets say get a hold of URANUS ,

1-Donquixote Homing and Family Abandon Mariejois,
2-everething the same, he becomes a hateful Pirate ,
3-Corazon didnt ate his fruit, and also he becomes Merciless as his Brother not a good Person
4-Law dont exist, or he get killed, by mingo once he found out he is a D
5-Mingo, get hold of the Ope Ope, Corazon Eat it
6-at some Point, maybe in the middle of a war, he Invade Mariejois
7-He reach Uranus, and CORAZON, change his Mind, and put him on the body of Uranus
8-Corazon uses, PERENNIAL YOUTH OPERATION AND DIES
9-Mingo Wins, using Uranus Power, and forever rules, since he is Ageless

another thing is, at with point does mingo discover the existence of the "NATIONAL TREASURE"
i think it was, when he came back,, to deliver his FATHER HEAD,, since in the manga
tenryubytto refer to him as "CHILD/BRAT"



cause if he did it by the time homing was there, among the rest,,
they probably , would have been killed all of thems ,,,

SORT OF:
no need to leave homing,,, WE ARE GOIN TO KILL YOUR SON AND EACH ONE OF YOU ,,
 
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Remeber the glyph at Skypea? It had Roger's name on it. That very glyph tells about Poseidon's location. Therefore, the weapon that Roger discovered (from the glyphs) was Poseidon.
Poseidon

When we meet Shirahoshi who is Poseidon, she was only 16 years old (Luffy aged 19); Roger died 5 years before Luffy was born which means that Poseidon only came into existence 8 years after Roger's death.

3 Years before Roger's execution is when the Ed war battle between Shiki and Roger took place; Shiki requested use of the Ancient Weapon that Roger found which means that the Ancient Weapon Roger Discovered dates to 11 years before Poseidon was born which eliminates the possibility that Roger found Poseidon.

Another thing to note is the Sea-Kings said they've been waiting for Shirahoshi for 100s of years, one translation says Poseidon is born every few 100 years. So, if Poseidon (Shirahoshi) was born only 11 years after Roger was found an Ancient Weapon, then Roger found either Pluton or Uranus; Vander Decken also exclaimed saying "My ancestors, I've finally found Poseidon" which means that it had been generations or 100s of years since Posiedon's last appearance.


Pluton and Uranus

It's well known that the only way to get hold of Ancient Weapons are through the Poneglyphs which only Robin is currently able to decipher besides Luffy who is yet to come to the knowledge of his ability to hear the VOAT (Voice of All Things).

Franky said some rather interesting things when he showed off the "Pluton" blueprint...


Franky: What the Shipwrights of Water Seven have passed down from generation to generation is not how to make the weapon! Listen Spandam, What Tom-San and Iceburg have protected by risking their lives...If the Ancient Weapon falls into the hands of an idiot like you and starts its rampage, there needs to be another weapon to counter and stop the first one...that was the wish of the designer! - Ocean & Genesis (Batoto) Translation
Franky: As it is, this thing that was passed down through the generations of Water Seven Shipwrights isn't just the blueprint to make a weapon! Do you hear me Spandam? The reason Mr. Tom and Iceburg would give their lives to protect this was simple! If the Ancient Weapon ever got into the hands of an idiot like you (someone who would go berserk with power), another weapon will be needed to stop you! It's what the architect planned! - Viz Translation
In other words, what Franky held in his hands was an "Opposing Force" and also refers to it as "Another Weapon". In other words, the blueprint isn't to create an exact replica of Pluton, but a weapon just as powerful if not more; this weapon in conclusion has to be Uranus as it can't be Poseidon .

Tom

Tom does and says things that also seems consistent with the belief that Pluton is not what the blueprint is building. In the panel below, Franky says "let's build this thing" and Iceberg replies "If this thing exists in our world" which implies it doesn't currently exist.

First of all, Tom should have replied to Franky by saying it already exists when Franky suggested to build it, but he didn't; Tom agreed with Iceberg's "If" statement saying "yeah it will destroy the world" which pretty much is Tom saying it currently doesn't exist.

The thing is we and Tom know Pluton exist thanks to the Alabasta arc and Tom should have said to Franky is already exists assuming it were Pluton, but as these things weren't said, it does imply again that this Ancient Weapon in blueprint is noneother than Uranus.
I also find it interesting that on seeing the blueprint, Franky or Iceberg didn't ask where is this weapon which also suggests this blueprint is the plans to create this non-existent weapon.

Implications

Finally, the implication of Uranus not being in existence would have to mean:
  1. The Ancient Weapon Roger found was Pluton.
  2. Crocodile only learnt about Pluton through rumours, and this rumours most likely spread from Shiki's fleet since they all knew that Roger was in possession of an Ancient Weapon as overtly stated by Shiki during the Battle of Ed war.

  3. It also means that the National Treasure can't be Uranus.
 
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When we meet Shirahoshi who is Poseidon, she was only 16 years old (Luffy aged 19); Roger died 5 years before Luffy was born which means that Poseidon only came into existence 8 years after Roger's death.

3 Years before Roger's execution is when the Ed war battle between Shiki and Roger took place; Shiki requested use of the Ancient Weapon that Roger found which means that the Ancient Weapon Roger Discovered dates to 11 years before Poseidon was born which eliminates the possibility that Roger found Poseidon.

Another thing to note is the Sea-Kings said they've been waiting for Shirahoshi for 100s of years, one translation says Poseidon is born every few 100 years. So, if Poseidon (Shirahoshi) was born only 11 years after Roger was found an Ancient Weapon, then Roger found either Pluton or Uranus; Vander Decken also exclaimed saying "My ancestors, I've finally found Poseidon" which means that it had been generations or 100s of years since Posiedon's last appearance.

When Shiki was talking to Roger about the weapon, he said that Roger knows the *location* of the weapon, NOT that he *acquired* it(middle panel). The glyph from Skypea tells about the locations of Poseidon.

Roger finding the weapon does not necessarily, and especially, mean that he *acquired* it because Roger is NOT interested in 'ruling' the world, much less through the weapon. He is more interested in 'freedom'. Since he is not interested in the weapon, he most likely won't bother to look for it in order to confirm whether or not it is existent at his time. Even if by some chance he did know that it doesn't exist at his time, Shiki does not necessarily have to know that.
Pluton and Uranus

It's well known that the only way to get hold of Ancient Weapons are through the Poneglyphs which only Robin is currently able to decipher besides Luffy who is yet to come to the knowledge of his ability to hear the VOAT (Voice of All Things).

Franky said some rather interesting things when he showed off the "Pluton" blueprint...



In other words, what Franky held in his hands was an "Opposing Force" and also refers to it as "Another Weapon". In other words, the blueprint isn't to create an exact replica of Pluton, but a weapon just as powerful if not more; this weapon in conclusion has to be Uranus as it can't be Poseidon .
How then do you explain this?
Tom

Tom does and says things that also seems consistent with the belief that Pluton is not what the blueprint is building. In the panel below, Franky says "let's build this thing" and Iceberg replies "If this thing exists in our world" which implies it doesn't currently exist.

First of all, Tom should have replied to Franky by saying it already exists when Franky suggested to build it, but he didn't; Tom agreed with Iceberg's "If" statement saying "yeah it will destroy the world" which pretty much is Tom saying it currently doesn't exist.

The thing is we and Tom know Pluton exist thanks to the Alabasta arc and Tom should have said to Franky is already exists assuming it were Pluton, but as these things weren't said, it does imply again that this Ancient Weapon in blueprint is noneother than Uranus.
I also find it interesting that on seeing the blueprint, Franky or Iceberg didn't ask where is this weapon which also suggests this blueprint is the plans to create this non-existent weapon.
When Franky and Iceberg were talking about the weapon as something that doesn't exist, it was *before* they were told about Nico Robin and her capability of awakening the other weapons as well as their existence(bottom panel). That's why they appeared oblivious to the existence of Pluton.
 
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When Shiki was talking to Roger about the weapon, he said that Roger knows the *location* of the weapon, NOT that he *acquired* it(middle panel). The glyph from Skypea tells about the locations of Poseidon.

Roger finding the weapon does not necessarily, and especially, mean that he *acquired* it because Roger is NOT interested in 'ruling' the world, much less through the weapon. He is more interested in 'freedom'. Since he is not interested in the weapon, he most likely won't bother to look for it in order to confirm whether or not it is existent at his time. Even if by some chance he did know that it doesn't exist at his time, Shiki does not necessarily have to know that.

How then do you explain this?

When Franky and Iceberg were talking about the weapon as something that doesn't exist, it was *before* they were told about Nico Robin and her capability of awakening the other weapons as well as their existence(bottom panel). That's why they appeared oblivious to the existence of Pluton.
That's that theory debunked, here I was thinking it was Uranus, lol.
  1. My only issue so far is while Pluton was created, the engineers of Pluton said they feared its power to the extent that they decided to pass on the blueprint down the generations just incase it fell into the wrong hands and they're most likely referring to the WG.
  2. The Ancient Kingdom must have been the ones to propose building this weapon and then passing on the blueprints, the WG are not morally conflicted; ultimate power is their absolute desire.
  3. We can also assume the Poneglyphs were written within the Void Century which would date back to 900 till the 800th year where this Ancient Kingdom were supposedly wiped out.
  4. If the information on the Poneglyph dates back to 900-800 years ago, it means Pluton which we know was created in Water 7 was created during the Void Centuries period except the Poneglyphs are psychic which would be shocking.
  5. We know Joyboy who wrote on in the Ancient Language had affiliations with Fishman and had relations with Poseidon which must have been during the Void Century; so it's understandable why Poseidon is on the Poneglyphs too.
  6. And it seems to be mentioning powers that would be useful to them in future especially if it holds their locations.

So based on this, can conclude both Pluton and Poseidon are known or created from within the Void Century. We know Uranus is an Ancient Weapon too, the question is who does it belong to?

If and Implications assuming Uranus belonged to the WG:

  1. It explains why the Ancient Kingdom needed Pluton to rival the WG.
  2. But it doesn't explain why the WG still can't end the Pirate Age.
  3. It can explain why Uranus is on a Poneglyph as possibly highlighting the Weapon owned by the WG, but Poneglyph usually gives the location and Robin never stated the WG possess such a weapon which is questionable becausee she would very likely have mentioned this already.
  4. If they already possess an Ancient Weapon, why do they need Pluton when 1 is powerful enough to destroy the world?
  5. It also doesn't explain why the builders of Pluton fear it could fall into the wrong hands if the WG already possess a rival weapon, do they just want to be dictated by the WG even though they built it to oppose them?
If and Implications assuming Uranus didn't belong to the WG:

  1. It explains why the Poneglyph would be prescribed upon the Poneglyphs giving the location; would be odd for the Poneglyphs to have the location of something belonging to their adversary.
  2. If Uranus is on the Poneglyphs too, it possibly hints as a Weapon that can be of aid to those able to read the Poneglyphs.
  3. It explains why the WG currently couldn't end the Pirate Age and are seeking Pluton.
It would also mean that since Pluton was built along with a blueprint passed on to generations incase it fell into the wrong hands:

  1. Uranus must be something like Poseidon; something that can't be explicitly controlled or is mechanical which makes it unreliable in that sense and most likely belonged to another race or was indeed of another race.
If Uranus were built, it'd contradict the purpose of Pluton which the engineers feared could fall into the wrong hands because would be like creating 2 Plutons which increases the risk exponentially.

I don't see much convincing evidence supporting that the National Treasure is indeed Uranus because it leaves really big questions unanswered and why is Joker so certain they Celestial Dragons would be thrown off their Ivory Thrones if they possess such a massive power?

---------- Post added November 16, 2015 at 06:37 AM ---------- Previous post was November 12, 2015 at 02:22 PM ----------

Was watching a video by a youtube theorist who took his entire basis from mythology without any consolidation from the manga. Of course Oda gets inspiration from external sources as we all do, but I doubt he's literally going to copy and paste the entirety of a mythology and use it as the entire basis for a concept or idea he develops; he usually adds his twist to it to make it original and different.

Anyway, to get to the point, I heard:

  • Pluton is the god that takes lifes.
  • Poseidon the god that controls life.
  • Uranus the god who gives life.
Assuming all this is true, we can draw parallels with current Ancient Weapons based on these roles:

  • Pluton in OP: Literally a ship built for destruction and more or less taking lives.
  • Poseidon in OP: Literally controls lives, Seakings to be exact.

Uranus, as we don't know much about it factually, if this pattern being spoken off is true, then it perhaps hints at Uranus being the National treasure in a sense. If Uranus the mythological god givese life, what if Oda put his spin on Uranus like he's always done that instead of Uranus literally giving life, it requires taking a life in order to be used which seems to be the case with the National treasure. It seems Immortality is imperative in making use of the NT, so it's quite possible that Uranus is indeed the NT, however I'm still uncertain atm, haha.

Simply put, you may be correct.
 
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