Chapter Tower of God Chapter 470 Spoilers & Discussion

[DDragneel]

quite hyped about the chapter tomorrow.

So, I was thinking that the Zahard and his entire army ( minions included ) know for a fact that Baam is an irregular with talent greater than Adori, that means if given enough time his rank is guaranteed above her. So, that means if the Zahard army and he himself take Baam lightly they are can pay a huge price and there is no way in hell she and Zahard aren't aware of that. I know Zahard has some ego problems so he might not show rn ( considering he never fought personally after he became the king ; please notice I am saying might because he did show up in the data world ), but there is no way that bitch can just stay in sidelines and wait for her demise if she is really loyal that is . So, this is how I think it will go from now - people fight their respective opponent(s) while Baam passes as they fight . Seeing him , random people attack him to slow him down but he is the first one to break through the second wall . Bam vs 5th squadron for one chapter and some more people from Baam's side show up. Baam goes ahead and is finally in front of the nest. Now , I think squadron commanders won't be there because they will be fighting with their respective squads , so that leaves mascheny and the snake . Cha vs snake . Kallavan vs Baam. Maschenny just watches the show . Now something will happen here , a plot twist of sort . Someone will show up or dowon will back stab idk . BUT . Baam will NOT use his full power at this point . I mean he will use thorns maybe both but he won't use souls and ignited thorns . He may use black march. Someone helps Baam to fight Kallavan and Baam goes inside that crystal to save his master ALONE. Here , I think either Adori or Zahard himself will come to eliminate him. I do believe Zahard should come himself because he is the only one who can change bam's destiny.

 

[Jedikos]

quite hyped about the chapter tomorrow.

So, I was thinking that the Zahard and his entire army ( minions included ) know for a fact that Baam is an irregular with talent greater than Adori, that means if given enough time his rank is guaranteed above her. So, that means if the Zahard army and he himself take Baam lightly they are can pay a huge price and there is no way in hell she and Zahard aren't aware of that. I know Zahard has some ego problems so he might not show rn ( considering he never fought personally after he became the king ; please notice I am saying might because he did show up in the data world ), but there is no way that bitch can just stay in sidelines and wait for her demise if she is really loyal that is . So, this is how I think it will go from now - people fight their respective opponent(s) while Baam passes as they fight . Seeing him , random people attack him to slow him down but he is the first one to break through the second wall . Bam vs 5th squadron for one chapter and some more people from Baam's side show up. Baam goes ahead and is finally in front of the nest. Now , I think squadron commanders won't be there because they will be fighting with their respective squads , so that leaves mascheny and the snake . Cha vs snake . Kallavan vs Baam. Maschenny just watches the show . Now something will happen here , a plot twist of sort . Someone will show up or dowon will back stab idk . BUT . Baam will NOT use his full power at this point . I mean he will use thorns maybe both but he won't use souls and ignited thorns . He may use black march. Someone helps Baam to fight Kallavan and Baam goes inside that crystal to save his master ALONE. Here , I think either Adori or Zahard himself will come to eliminate him. I do believe Zahard should come himself because he is the only one who can change bam's destiny.

I like certain parts of this fantasy. Baam being the one to break the second wall and facing the 5th Squad all by himself.

And right now Baam has that much of a self imposed handicap powerwise that I cannot correctly predict who and who could be his match in a fight to the death.

But will he actually do anything next chapter? With Hwa Ryun, they can walk a path with less danger and whether they do or not, who can bypass Cha? The dude looks like he would rather die than let any harm come to 'Lord Viole'.

Well we will see, anything can happen next chapter but I just hope its not like last station where no respectable Rankers died, neither generic with more Baam's allies arriving next chapter, they've not even reached Yas's army to need such reinforcements.

It would be nice too, even if it won't last, if all the chapters in the nest were released and SIU took a month or two break.

 

[hblock]

Anak without the Green April is absolutely no math for Ran

Go reread their fight at the workshop battle.

 

[Turtle hunter]

She has a firm grasp on how her ability work and all her items, she spend all that time mastering them, while most rankers with less experience have more power than her but they cant utilize their power to the utmost because they dont have that much experience.

The reason Viole is less skilled than rankers even though he is more powerful is because he doesnt have the [experience/understanding] to wield his power, that is why even weaker people than him will give him trouble e.g (Viole vs Alaine) but Alaine on the other hand is even more skilled than that, meaning people even far stronger than her will find it hard to beat her because of how skilled she is. Not far from now even though she wont even be close to ranker level with just her skills she can beat some ranker because of how much more skilled she is.

Alaine sure is still a C class regular but her actual strength should be well above that, adding her skills and power scaling would put her close to the top of B rank if not higher

Ranker with less experience than her represent a tiny fraction . Because the first ranker came when the ranker system , and until new rankers finished the climbing . And they don't die most likely .Elaine 1000 years of figting represent nothing for a ranker . Esoecially when you figth c rank regular , and i am sure she didn't figth that often because of her men . Furthemore she has that contract with administrator . But if she were to face other jahad princess she would surely loose easily .

The only thing that represent a danger is her claw . Her needle that keeps attacking in the air from all direction can't injure a ranker for what i know .

In a figth with a ranker , she would be one shotted that is simple .

 

[Shasha23]

Ranker with less experience than her represent a tiny fraction . Because the first ranker came when the ranker system , and until new rankers finished the climbing . And they don't die most likely .Elaine 1000 years of figting represent nothing for a ranker . Esoecially when you figth c rank regular , and i am sure she didn't figth that often because of her men . Furthemore she has that contract with administrator . But if she were to face other jahad princess she would surely loose easily .

The only thing that represent a danger is her claw . Her needle that keeps attacking in the air from all direction can't injure a ranker for what i know .

In a figth with a ranker , she would be one shotted that is simple .

But they are still there none the less, yes power wise a ranker is heads and sholders above her but in terms of experience and skill, she probably has more polished skills than some, since she has spend so many years training them. I doubt she would lose just like that to the princesses as your making it out to be, she would probably stomp any C rank princess.

Nope Fenryl is the most dangerous thing she has, it can injure even rankers and 1 bite from it will automatically guarantee her the win.

Nope she cant be 1 shot since her defence cant be broken and she can teleport, sure mid to high tire rankers can beat her easily but low level rankers would need to go all out to beat her, and i doubt they can because of her broken skills.

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Anyway given that the war is here and she will be fighting too, we can all put this discussion to rest when we see her fight a ranker and win, it wouldnt even surprise me at this point if Alaine, Rak, Hockney and Khun beat an advance ranker with their team work

 

[Turtle hunter]

But they are still there none the less, yes power wise a ranker is heads and sholders above her but in terms of experience and skill, she probably has more polished skills than some, since she has spend so many years training them. I doubt she would lose just like that to the princesses as your making it out to be, she would probably stomp any C rank princess.

Nope Fenryl is the most dangerous thing she has, it can injure even rankers and 1 bite from it will automatically guarantee her the win.

Nope she cant be 1 shot since her defence cant be broken and she can teleport, sure mid to high tire rankers can beat her easily but low level rankers would need to go all out to beat her, and i doubt they can because of her broken skills.

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Anyway given that the war is here and she will be fighting too, we can all put this discussion to rest when we see her fight a ranker and win, it wouldnt even surprise me at this point if Alaine, Rak, Hockney and Khun beat an advance ranker with their team work

You are overhyping , i don't what is your deal with her . But i am prrtty sure that Androssi would have defeated if not for that specail contract that i remind that she doesn't have anymore .

Androssi who didn't have her affinity , and was trained by Yuri . Now imagine 2 years later how strong she is compared to Elaine . She would beat without much difficulty at minimum .

If we assume that LPB are stronger than Androssi . We could say that they could defeat her easily .

I wanted to say her wolf not claw .

Like many people said it to you , but won't admit . She didn't figth all her ennemy , they were most likely defeated by her men . And people that she actually defeated were not better than C rank regular .

When we know that competition among ranker are fiercer than between regular . It was aid by SIU himself . And they are figting actual ranker . And actually they climbed the tower , so they likely were confronted to a lot and diverses obstacle .

Actually she is good but your are overhyping her .

The thing is that i don't believe that she would manage to bite a ranker with her Fenryl 1 bite is not sufficient to guarantee her win at all .

You can't see how a ranker can one shot her ? Let me help you .

We know that a ranker vastly surpass a regular in phisycal abilities and also in the that they use shinsoo .

So most likely they would throw a huge explosion , her and her defence would turn to dust . In case that you that . I will remind you that if you are not you can't whistand any serious shinsoo attack used by a ranker when you are only a regular .
The second way would be to just force they way through with they speed ( wich she wouldn't be able to react ) . They would destroy her defence and her with one punch .

Or they could simply use some special like that altar guy and the figth is finished .

Or maybe what you call her defence are her flying needle , wich a ranker wouldn't bother even look at , because they are ranker ,they can't be injured by things like that . Even if they wanted to not go directly in contact with her , wich they could with they speed . They could simply with they reflexes and strength just destroy her flying needle .and kill her .

Data maschenny was in another planet when it came to strength , and she wasn't capable when she was a regular to defeat a ranker . As far as we know .

You should put some respect on ranker . They can be defeated only by oke genuis in 10000 years .

And she is likely does not meet does requirement .

I think that even Yihwa is more talented than her , with her flamme . Don't put me wrong , she is likely stronger than Yihwa , but Yihwa had 1000 years she would stronger than her i think .

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You need to put some respect on advanced ranker too . The one that we saw was able to stall YHS down , a freaking HR . Again some people seems to not be able to see the evidence .

The fact that Baam defeated does not that they are not that strong .

 

[toil]

Elaine - IMO it is more important if Fenryl itself is 'ranker-level' whatever that means. I'm not sure if the animas are limited in strength to their users or not - has this ever been addressed in the story? In other words, it's possible that Elaine as an individual can't take on a ranker but if she has a weapon that is ranker-level of above, and operates on auto-pilot, that could change things, no?

Fenryl is IMHO another one of SIU’s accidentally-overpowered concepts (like Levi, for an egregious example): doesn’t need a tank, teeth can pierce ranker skin, magic wounds that never heal (and to which Baam wasn’t immune, despite his general spell immunity)?

Perhaps more charitably, there’s clearly a top-tier category of anima creature like that giant snake, and I suspect Fenryl is in that same category (albeit presumably less-developed and operated with less skill, from what little we’ve seen). Giving Elaine such a creature fits into SIU’s pattern of giving Baam’s apparent core team members plausible routes to punching far above their weight as regulars.

I think it’ll go over better if these overpowered regulars generally only manage to eke out surprise victories around the margins—10% power, 90% craftiness. SIU certainly has set them up with enough potential for that to be plausible, but obviously we’ll have to wait to see where things go.

 

[DDragneel]

I like certain parts of this fantasy. Baam being the one to break the second wall and facing the 5th Squad all by himself.

And right now Baam has that much of a self imposed handicap powerwise that I cannot correctly predict who and who could be his match in a fight to the death.

But will he actually do anything next chapter? With Hwa Ryun, they can walk a path with less danger and whether they do or not, who can bypass Cha? The dude looks like he would rather die than let any harm come to 'Lord Viole'.

Well we will see, anything can happen next chapter but I just hope its not like last station where no respectable Rankers died, neither generic with more Baam's allies arriving next chapter, they've not even reached Yas's army to need such reinforcements.

It would be nice too, even if it won't last, if all the chapters in the nest were released and SIU took a month or two break.

Binge reading would be amazing ...

 

[One Peace]

By the way, what happened to Karaka having connections? Apparently he gave the order to kill an Elder (or did it himself) and was able to cover it up. Meaning he had a hand in elder affairs. How come he didn't use his connections to have a few elders commit forces to this attack?

About Fenryl/Elaine: it may be able to hurt rankers but it doesn't mean the wolf/Elaine can touch a ranker. It's just like yihwa and her flames able to burn even high ranker. You need to be fast enough to touch a ranker. Tho with her instant exchange ability, she might be able to trump a ranker and bite them.

 

[sazon]

By the way, what happened to Karaka having connections? Apparently he gave the order to kill an Elder (or did it himself) and was able to cover it up. Meaning he had a hand in elder affairs. How come he didn't use his connections to have a few elders commit forces to this attack?

About Fenryl/Elaine: it may be able to hurt rankers but it doesn't mean the wolf/Elaine can touch a ranker. It's just like yihwa and her flames able to burn even high ranker. You need to be fast enough to touch a ranker. Tho with her instant exchange ability, she might be able to trump a ranker and bite them.

Well, everyone said preparations for this fight, so far we haven't seen anything, the fights are starting to take shape and if Karaka has any trump card he won't use it now.

 

[toil]

So my theory is that Enne is trapped inside that frozen waterfall (and that Baam will meet her when he gets inside).

A couple things are interesting here.

First is that having Cha as an escort is an interring choice: Enne is a source for a lot of secrets, but Cha was around for a lot of long-ago happenings. Really good setup for another Garam-tier infodump.

Could also go in a weird direction if Cha learns Dowon is with Kallavan (lol misunderstandings) and he hooks up with the other crazy, crazy powerful pink-haired chick.

Second is Garam: if Enne is in the rock then Garam has been in there before—and lived to tell the tale. It’s a good time for her to make another appearance, and perhaps she will.

Third is logistics: supposedly there’s only one chance to get in or out each year. It doesn’t seem like Jinsung is inside the rock yet. The easiest way to save Jinsung would be to prevent him from getting into the rock in the first place...and perhaps the easiest way to do that would be to go into the rock first, thereby shutting off access for a year (I suspect this is Hwaryun’s plan, whether or not Baam knows it).

Fourth is time dynamics: time flows differently in the rock and people live thousands of years in the tower. If Baam and at most a small team go in with him, a crazy amount could happen on the outside while they’re in the slow-time zone. Maybe even weirder, in fact, if the time disruption is from another thorn fragment, thereby allowing Baam to manipulate it once he gets the thorn.

Fifth—and final for me—is I wonder if Zahard stores anything relating to V and Arlene in the rock. I mean probably there are valuable items, but maybe there will be other “treasures” inside.

 

[King Dryst]

I just can't get behind the idea that Zahard is stupid enough to want to lure Baam (or FUG in general, really) to wherever he's keeping Enne imprisoned, regardless of how high he fancies his chances of victory. It's just begging for trouble.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Are there really people who miss Wangnan and Rachel? Lol

I'm in the minority, but, yes, me. NOT because they have been shown to be interesting (though I think both their back-stories will stay relevant and interesting) as characters or have shown to develop at all.

But it is beyond clear SIU has some big things in store for each both in the intermediate and long term.

Rachel with her total-body makeover. And her end-game. She's the protagonist and the heroine. She's not going anywhere and her final moves may yet be important. That people hate her so much just means SIU is successful with her character. She's NOT SUPPOSED to be likeable.

Wangnan is obvious and I've waxed on enough about him. I think the prince program is uber-important. There's his sword and whoever that will end up being an assassination of. The hints that he is indeed the prince making a come-back which implies he'll one day have a coronation like it or not. And whether anyone agrees he's useful or not (he's not, but that's the point - and still more useful than Leesoo) SIU has made it very clear his story is one of the 'axis' of the entire ToG story and as such he'll play an important role. He'll be useless and weak - until he isn't (probably like Rachel).

Fenryl is IMHO another one of SIU’s accidentally-overpowered concepts (like Levi, for an egregious example): doesn’t need a tank, teeth can pierce ranker skin, magic wounds that never heal (and to which Baam wasn’t immune, despite his general spell immunity)?

Perhaps more charitably, there’s clearly a top-tier category of anima creature like that giant snake, and I suspect Fenryl is in that same category (albeit presumably less-developed and operated with less skill, from what little we’ve seen). Giving Elaine such a creature fits into SIU’s pattern of giving Baam’s apparent core team members plausible routes to punching far above their weight as regulars.

I think it’ll go over better if these overpowered regulars generally only manage to eke out surprise victories around the margins—10% power, 90% craftiness. SIU certainly has set them up with enough potential for that to be plausible, but obviously we’ll have to wait to see where things go.

Yes, I'm in agreement and you kind of reiterate what I'm getting at. Accidental or not, Fenryl is a anima weapon that acts as a FORCE MULTIPLIER.

It doesn't matter if Elaine herself is fast enough, strong enough, reactive enough, or strategic enough to defeat a ranker. As Fenryl very much could be - and the fact it seems to be able to operate on auto-pilot if she just lets it loose is possibly enough. Baam was a bad person to be put up against Fenryl because of his special powers allowed him to see through the attacks and grow during the fight. Not sure low-level rankers would be so lucky, but who knows.

So my theory is that Enne is trapped inside that frozen waterfall (and that Baam will meet her when he gets inside).

A couple things are interesting here.

First is that having Cha as an escort is an interring choice: Enne is a source for a lot of secrets, but Cha was around for a lot of long-ago happenings. Really good setup for another Garam-tier infodump.

Could also go in a weird direction if Cha learns Dowon is with Kallavan (lol misunderstandings) and he hooks up with the other crazy, crazy powerful pink-haired chick.

Trading one Eurasia for another, eh?

Hell, I'm still waiting for the Cha infodump, Karaka prince infodump, Rachel infodump, Garam 2.0 infodump, 'the boss' infodump, etc. I just can't see SIU actually blessing us so soon with an Enne infodump as he likes to simply cock-tease lore for hundreds of chapters.

I just can't get behind the idea that Zahard is stupid enough to want to lure Baam (or FUG in general, really) to wherever he's keeping Enne imprisoned, regardless of how high he fancies his chances of victory. It's just begging for trouble.

I'm just not so sure. If he thinks it is so secure and impenetrable then perhaps he would. The issue with the year-long wait, the nature of the Nest requiring special gear/ships that even HR's would have trouble with, and let alone the security of TWO corps plus the LPB DD and big-ass creatures.

I mean he obvious has SOMETHING valuable enough in their to entrust the security. What would you suggest he's hiding in there if not something special like a thorn fragment, prisoner (we know the plans are to use it as a prison after all) like Enne, other OP weapons that could harm him, extra rings/princes, etc?

 

[King Dryst]

What would you suggest he's hiding in there if not something special like a thorn fragment, prisoner (we know the plans are to use it as a prison after all) like Enne, other OP weapons that could harm him, extra rings/princes, etc?

Not a Thorn or someone near the level of a Family Head, either of which would be absolutely disastrous to have fall into Baam's clutches. There's that saying about not adding wings to a tiger. I would be very disappointed if SIU has Zahard descend into that deep a level of plot-induced stupidity.

I could see high-level items of other sorts, because Zahard doesn't feel any particular threat from anyone who isn't Baam and those sorts of things wouldn't do much to make him more dangerous than he already is.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Not a Thorn or someone near the level of a Family Head, either of which would be absolutely disastrous to have fall into Baam's clutches. There's that saying about not adding wings to a tiger. I would be very disappointed if SIU has Zahard descend into that deep a level of plot-induced stupidity.

I could see high-level items of other sorts, because Zahard doesn't feel any particular threat from anyone who isn't Baam and those sorts of things wouldn't do much to make him more dangerous than he already is.

Yeah, but WHAT though? It's obviously hinted to be important.

We found out the bracelet on the data floor is super-important, and Baam had access to that in an even weaker state. Zahard thought it was safe on the data floor.

As well as the rings which can be used against him have been floating around on people that hate him.

Surprisingly, Urek's anklet was important enough for Gustang to think of it as the third gift from Rachel.





Also, I'd say his actions, or Adori's as his proxy that he certainly had to give the stamp of approval to, have already shown to lead Baam to something that will help Baam against him - arguably if the Z forces never attacked the Walls of Peace then Baam wouldn't have been caught up in that mess, or even known about it, and the elders would have moved only against Baam to keep him from waking them up...

And yet NOW Baam is aided by Cha personally. And Dowon will obviously turn to help Baam as well. That's the exact opposite of what Zahard wanted, backfire. His "I'll keep Baam from accessing this by leading him right to it" personality trait seems to be a real thing.

 

[Turtle hunter]

I just can't get behind the idea that Zahard is stupid enough to want to lure Baam (or FUG in general, really) to wherever he's keeping Enne imprisoned, regardless of how high he fancies his chances of victory. It's just begging for trouble.

Garam clearly said that Enne was trapped in a labyrinth of i remember well . So she is most likely not trapped inside . And yes making a war near the 7 ranked in the tower is , is plain stupid .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I'd also like to point out that I don't think the floor the Nest is on has anything to do with the level of importance of the contents inside. It's the NATURE of the Nest - what floor it's on is inconsequential.

Only Zarhard and his side-bitch sycophant LPB FH (just saying in prison the LPB FH would definitely call Zahard 'daddy' and be trying to impress him with favors as an enforcer) use it as a safe. It's guarded by a creature that arguably could go against the strongest anti-Zahard force in the time of Genesis. And it needs Gong-Bang level tech to even get inside, let alone the rocky shield that surrounds it or the fact that very few even know where it is. I think the floor is 'just another place in the tower' and not indicative of the level of loot that both Zahard and another FH hide in there. Apparently these eggs hold a very high value to the LPB FH so it's possible Zahard is leaving something very important to him there as well (Enne was obviously a feather in his cap at one point).

Think if even Maschenny Zahard - a top 100 HR and pretty sly individual - doesn't even know what's in there or how to get inside (and has to use this event/battle as an excuse to pry) then Zahard is confident at least someone of her caliber can't crack the safe then he's probably confident little ol' Baam can't get in.

I mean it's pretty clear Zahard thinks he'll win this battle and slaughter them all. Or at least Adori does. I can't imagine Zahard isn't in the same mind-set. We know Zahard was involved in the decision-making to have Yas at the Wall to overcome the Cage members, so he's certainly in the loop and in agreement with what Adori has orchestrated in this battle.

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Garam clearly said that Enne was trapped in a labyrinth of i remember well . So she is most likely not trapped inside . And yes making a war near the 7 ranked in the tower is , is plain stupid .

Do we know the interior of the giant crystal? Could it possibly be labyrinthine?

 

[Jedikos]

Not a Thorn or someone near the level of a Family Head, either of which would be absolutely disastrous to have fall into Baam's clutches. There's that saying about not adding wings to a tiger. I would be very disappointed if SIU has Zahard descend into that deep a level of plot-induced stupidity.

I could see high-level items of other sorts, because Zahard doesn't feel any particular threat from anyone who isn't Baam and those sorts of things wouldn't do much to make him more dangerous than he already is.

It won't happen dont worry. Zahard may be arrogant but he is not stupid. I doubt it contains stuff that can harm him. Else Gustang would have already looted it. Prized possessions at most. If its going over the top, then it would be memoirs of the GW and their climb, personal pockets and those kinda things lost to history. Aint going to be a thorn, Jahad was surprised and 'guessing' when he saw one on the Data Floor.
Maschenny is after those things anyway, they might not necessarily fall into Baam's hands for good when the war is over. Perhaps the whole implication of the treasures is to show how Jahad's army is going to be beaten. I mean it's bad enough those two armies are going to lose. Even worse still, the King's stuff get stolen as well. It would be insult to injury. I hope tho that Jahad has put in the factor that he might lose the Battle at the Nest, then of course if he expected it, he knows how to prevent such ridiculous backlash.

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Yeah, but WHAT though? It's obviously hinted to be important.

We found out the bracelet on the data floor is super-important, and Baam had access to that in an even weaker state. Zahard thought it was safe on the data floor.

As well as the rings which can be used against him have been floating around on people that hate him.

Surprisingly, Urek's anklet was important enough for Gustang to think of it as the third gift from Rachel.





Also, I'd say his actions, or Adori's as his proxy that he certainly had to give the stamp of approval to, have already shown to lead Baam to something that will help Baam against him - arguably if the Z forces never attacked the Walls of Peace then Baam wouldn't have been caught up in that mess, or even known about it, and the elders would have moved only against Baam to keep him from waking them up...

And yet NOW Baam is aided by Cha personally. And Dowon will obviously turn to help Baam as well. That's the exact opposite of what Zahard wanted, backfire. His "I'll keep Baam from accessing this by leading him right to it" personality trait seems to be a real thing.

Really? The 3rd gift was Urek's anklet? How could Rachel get hold of that? Didn't see that at all. I remember Wangnan's ring and Jahad's bracelet. Or was it said off panel?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

IMHO, yes. It's beyond clearly the anklet.

I make the argument here:

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s2: 36, S2: 43, s2:84 , s2: 152, and s2: 170 I'd like to save this chapter sequence, so I'll post It here. It's a sequence that explain the red lobster/blue demon (they are the same thing). Reading them in sequence give us a good explanation about where Baam got them and where It came from...

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(discussion about the 3 gifts starts halfway down page 77)

 

[EternalWinter]

Lol Rak and Koon facing rankers? Throughout the arc of the cage they were saved, Koon was destroyed by Paul. RaKoonBaam only managed to face Delete for two reasons: Baam, the irregular and because Delete was not behind the 2 regulars, focusing only on the candidate for Slayer, this was said by Baam himself.

Where did you get that she outlived many Rankers? Le-Ro, Yuri, Hagipherione and Urek are the only ones who were said to be rankers just over 500 years ago, so where did you get that information? And living so long does not mean NOTHING. Kaiser was 1000 years imprisoned at Name Hunt station, where she faced only a few strong enemies and always had the advantage of the station and the floor guardian's contract. It was never said that Kaiser's items were of High-Ranker levels, but that they were difficult to obtain even for a ranker and items have restrictions, why do you think Koon never used his armor inventory again? It has 2 high-level items, while a ranker has 10 and a High-Ranker 100, following the parameter given by the SIU.

And as I said, there are no guarantees that the differences you mentioned are the only ones, the 134th floor is not the top of the tower, why would the rankers be so different from regular ones? It is obvious that there is something more, at least the 134th floor contract is an absurd up in the strength of a regular who becomes a ranker, so until the SIU gives us more information or we arrive at the moment that Baam becomes a ranker, no we can say things like that. In fact, they are not regular normal, as I said here, the strength and skills of Baam teammates have always been above their regular rank, currently they will be C-ranked, many have the strength of a normal B-rank or A-rank, but they cannot face rankers, SIU has already made that very clear, even Baam, he took time to realize this.

Do you know how the war in genesis went? Do you know that Zahard's strength and any of the 10 families currently don't compare to that time? Yeah. White, a DD arie without it's peak, almost killed most of the 4th squad's HRs alone, now imagine what a DD arie from genesis can do?

The vast majority of FUG allies during the genesis died, their best soldiers were imprisoned in the walls of peaceful coexistence and their kingdoms transported there, we saw what happened on the walls of Cha and Dowon, many others were haunted by Zahard and this is the that we know on the surface. In fact, until now we have seen a small portion of the power of FUG, while we have seen nothing of the power of one of the 10 families, we have just discovered the possibility that a DD head of branch in the LPB family is stronger than most Slayers. I do not doubt that the united and organized FUG can be a threat to 1 of the 10 families, but affirming this without even knowing how the families work, does not make sense.

Would be poetic for kaiser to kill the boy who betrayed her

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So my theory is that Enne is trapped inside that frozen waterfall (and that Baam will meet her when he gets inside).

A couple things are interesting here.

First is that having Cha as an escort is an interring choice: Enne is a source for a lot of secrets, but Cha was around for a lot of long-ago happenings. Really good setup for another Garam-tier infodump.

Could also go in a weird direction if Cha learns Dowon is with Kallavan (lol misunderstandings) and he hooks up with the other crazy, crazy powerful pink-haired chick.

Second is Garam: if Enne is in the rock then Garam has been in there before—and lived to tell the tale. It’s a good time for her to make another appearance, and perhaps she will.

Third is logistics: supposedly there’s only one chance to get in or out each year. It doesn’t seem like Jinsung is inside the rock yet. The easiest way to save Jinsung would be to prevent him from getting into the rock in the first place...and perhaps the easiest way to do that would be to go into the rock first, thereby shutting off access for a year (I suspect this is Hwaryun’s plan, whether or not Baam knows it).

Fourth is time dynamics: time flows differently in the rock and people live thousands of years in the tower. If Baam and at most a small team go in with him, a crazy amount could happen on the outside while they’re in the slow-time zone. Maybe even weirder, in fact, if the time disruption is from another thorn fragment, thereby allowing Baam to manipulate it once he gets the thorn.

Fifth—and final for me—is I wonder if Zahard stores anything relating to V and Arlene in the rock. I mean probably there are valuable items, but maybe there will be other “treasures” inside.

Disagree tbh. I think blossom comes to Baan and offers him alliance if he can rescue enna. Would also be a strong marriage pact