Spoiler Tower of God Chapter 525 Spoilers & Discussion

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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin
Translated chapter(by Alpha scans)
 
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I hate this.... but
Cinera right Mas has more to offert than Traum..

traum is a old head that reached his top..
Everything he do is not going to impress us a lot..

Shit here we go 🤦🏽‍♂️
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TBH
There’s family head with more popularity than others

i know people can live without never see
Yeon hana
Ari han
Arlene
Tu perie tperie.

TBH
Family heads more people wanna see are the top 3
Arie hon
Edhan
Yurin
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Uncomming comment: arlene is not a family head lol
We call them like that now but they was 13GW.
 

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I want to see all of them actually. I hope everyone of them are impactful.
 

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Somehow i know Mas goal is kill Adori.
I want to see all of them actually. I hope everyone of them are impactful.
they will be just saying there’s FH popular than others
But i doubt SIU use them all to a important part in this story but in case that some never make a appearence i mention few i know people are not so crazy about.
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Ok there’s certain people in every royal family that you as part the zahard and 10 GW system you just can’t kill like nothing going to happens is the case of HJ, Yuri, Enne.. etc and im sure Mas is one of this special people that the enemy prefer to take hostage before try to kill. Like JH state before old heads of the tower dont want any war is the new gen who want to do this.
 

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A top 300 High Ranker like Lefav wasn't even a Branch Leader. She implied that she needed to make it to the Top 200 to become a Branch Leader:


Considering that, of those you mentioned, only Cha (and maybe Dowon) can defeat even the weakest Branch Leader.
probably, my fear is SIU doesn't show all of them, which is perhaps the most likely, some could be shown against FUG or PB if it happens.
 

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Source: voices from Cinera's head.

There is absolutely nothing that says this, your statement is completely crazy.

You're simply basing yourself on one character who's had more screen time than the other and distorting everything.

Maschenny isn't even the protagonist princess of ToG and you tell me she's more important than an FH? For God.

The Lo Po Bia family has been antagonists to Baam since season 1 and Traumerai has just been introduced, how do you have the audacity to say that he is less important than her?

And at what point did SIU say which FH is more important or not for the story?

Honestly, I don't understand your illness for Maschenny.
Cry harder.


There's a very long rebuttal to everything you said, but I don't think that typing it out would accomplish anything.

So just cry.


Traumerei is one of the earliest Family Leaders to go down. If he doesn't fall at the Nest, he'll eventually fall to Gustang.
 

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probably, my fear is SIU doesn't show all of them, which is perhaps the most likely, some could be shown against FUG or PB if it happens.
I'm not interested in seeing the others (except Yorari and the BH of the elaine branch), I want to see members of the main family (more than 100 chapters and we only know 2 of them by God)
 

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I'm not interested in seeing the others (except Yorari and the BH of the elaine branch), I want to see members of the main family (more than 100 chapters and we only know 2 of them by God)
I want to see as much as possible
 

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I'm very pleased with the direction TOG is taking at the moment. After a somewhat transitional period, it's become quite interesting again.

I think that the Colorless December or something related to Enne Zahard is likely Maschenny's goal here. It's a treasure that would make sense as something that even a Family Head could covet (though I haven't checked scans to see the exact phrasing with regards to whatever's sealed within the suspendium). Otherwise it will be something new that we haven't seen referenced before, perhaps?

I'm also very interested to see what happens when Traumerei inevitably encounters Baam.

Also, who do we think is his friend that is interested in YHS?
 

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From the blog posts infos and everything, we can assume Traumerei was refering to Hendo Lok Bloodmadder, one of the 10 family leaders.
 

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The FH's only action at the nest has been akin to that of a literal god descending - taking away all the light in an area on a whim.

Yet people think Maschenny can fight him.

🤦
 

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I hate this.... but
Cinera right Mas has more to offert than Traum..

traum is a old head that reached his top..
Everything he do is not going to impress us a lot..

Shit here we go 🤦🏽‍♂️
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TBH
There’s family head with more popularity than others

i know people can live without never see
Yeon hana
Ari han
Arlene
Tu perie tperie.

TBH
Family heads more people wanna see are the top 3
Arie hon
Edhan
Yurin
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Uncomming comment: arlene is not a family head lol
We call them like that now but they was 13GW.
Will it be weird if I say that the family and FH I'm most curious to see is Ari Han?
 

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Per Khell Hellam's profile in TOG wikia:
"Khel Hellam's had also encountered the 10 Family Heads during Genesis, as he included the 10 Great Family Heads along with Zahard as the ones he deemed "masters of time and destiny itself".

Any schemes that happened in the Nest are just a mere trifle (seen in Rei's case) for them. Due to them being a master of time and destiny itself.
 
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I hate this.... but
Cinera right Mas has more to offert than Traum..

traum is a old head that reached his top..
Everything he do is not going to impress us a lot..

Shit here we go 🤦🏽‍♂️
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

TBH
There’s family head with more popularity than others

i know people can live without never see
Yeon hana
Ari han
Arlene
Tu perie tperie.

TBH
Family heads more people wanna see are the top 3
Arie hon
Edhan
Yurin
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Uncomming comment: arlene is not a family head lol
We call them like that now but they was 13GW.
Maschenny has something to offer right now ....

We are just starting to enter story , it is normal that there aren't that much thing going for him .

By you guys logic , arie han can also die in the following arc .

Being introduced earlier and have more plot point earlier only mean you will likely get rid of the plot earlier . That is all .

In fact GW can't die so i don't see why anyone talk about any off them dying .

The worst part si that Maschenny little trick will be far less effective now that a GW is here and with they deducing power she can really die in this arc or the following one .

if anyone has to die in the coming arc , it will be maschenny her dream is constant figting after all , her dying would make sense .

There is a very chance that any irregular dying in the story , given most are immortal , only baam can kill them and baam don't really kill people .

I don't even think zhard will die , so another FH even less .

A FH won't die when he didn't no anything really sufficient .

Maschenny is nothing in the grand scheme , while LPB is way more important and could do much more later .

@Cinera stop the maschenny adoration .
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Cause Maschenny never fought seriously.



Asensio's hype within the Khun Family is second only to Eduan:
  • He was one of only three children who passed through the Hidden Floor that Eduan acknowledged.
    • "Tons" of Khun children passed through the Hidden Floor in its several tens of thousands of years history.
    • The other two were "special Regulars".
      • Icardi was a Sorcerer whose ability even Zahard noted.
      • Maschenny was a Princess.
        • She became the only 13 Month Princess in the history of the Khun Family.
        • She became one of the most powerful 13 Month Princesses.
  • AA called him "the Spear Master".
  • Kiseia said that he formed his own faction within the Khun Family.



Maschenny clearly took very good care of him. She requested medical attention for him in the immediate aftermath of the Kallavan battle.

She bought him his favourite clothes.



Do you mean "but Eduan's"?

There's zero indication that Maschenny is working with anyone else so far. She speaks of her actions, her desires, her motives, her expectations and her plans.

She may be working alongside Irregulars, but it seems really unlikely that she's working for them.




Maschenny did seem to go out of her way to help Baam reach her:
  • She removed the Hybrider from Baam's map.
    • The Hybrider coincidentally ran into one of the Division Commanders chasing after Baam.
  • She sent Asensio to help Baam and his allies.
    • Asensio said that he came to help AA and Co.
    • Asensio said that he needed to send them to Maschenny.
    • Asensio showed up on Baam's field expecting to face White.
      • Maybe he was her plan to deal with anyone that was too strong for Baam to handle.

Making it through the 1st Wall under his own power might have been one of Maschenny's many tests for Baam. From the Second Wall onwards though, she went out of her way to assist him.



This was most like retconned. AA said that she seemed to have certitude about what was inside.


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Whether she fight seriously or not , it doesn't change that he has better feat as a fighter , same as lyborik , even if he is not a full koon .

So basically the only real info you have about ascencio position in eduan family is edhuan floor , something we debunked again and again , that most people won't go in it .

Maria khun jahad , that floor ruler of the khun family didn't go in it .

so being called the spear master means you are only after maschenny .

Why would i care about elaine , a fodder regular ?

You want to create this hype that maschenny is that strong and has top 100 subordinate , but it is wrong , and even Maschnenny didn't proove that she was top 100 , yet ascencio is ?

Maschenny is unironically more important to the plot than Traumerei:
  • To the Khun Family
    • The only 13 Month Princess in the history of the Khun Family.
    • Eduan's favourite child.
    • One of the Khun Family's Faction Leaders (Asensio) is her subordinate.
      • Asensio is also one of Eduan's favourite children.
  • To the Zahard Family
    • One of the most powerful 13 Month Princesses.
    • One of the Princesses that helped capture Enne Zahard.
    • An ultra high ranking officer of the Army.
      • She's the Commander of the Nest Operation.
  • Others
    • A mastermind that's driving the plot forward.
      • Miscellaneous schemes of hers:
        • She's behind the Name Hunt Station.
      • She's responsible for the current war:
        • Jinsung's battle with Kallavan
        • Baam's battle with Kallavan
        • Baam rallying FUG to storm the Nest
        • The entire Nest battle itself
        • Sending Baam into the Frozen Waterfall
        • Jinsung confronting Traumerei's escorts
        • Jinsung regarded her as one of the main actors behind the Nest (along with the Great Families and Zahard Army).
      • Other war relevant schemes she has
        • She's backstabbing the Lo Po Bia Family.
        • She's trying to incite a Tower wide war.
        • She said that she'll make the Tower a bloody mess.
        • At the Nest:
          • Whatever her Third Minion is up to.
          • Whatever designs and expectations she has for Baam.
          • Whatever she's up to with the Ha Family.
      • Princess schemes she has:
        • Her bet with Yuri.
        • The Lo Po Bia twins are working for her.
          • SIU said that they hold the key to one of the two big upcoming story arcs.
        • Maria is working for her.
    • Yuri's arch-rival
    • Ran's end goal

If they fight, she's not going to die. She definitely wouldn't win, but it's most likely that SIU would have her put up something of a fight before she gets defeated.

I expect that SIU will respect her as a combatant (especially after hyping her so much).


If someone between Maschenny and Traumerei is dying at the Nest, it'll be Traumerei. Because Maschenny just offers so much more to the story.

Traumerei is no Zahard, Eduan or Gustang . He's an Irregular, but he's not one of the more important ones.


SIU meanwhile keeps reinforcing that Maschenny is a far bigger deal than she initially appears to be on the surface.

In Season 3 Episode 85, Jinsung listed the main actors behind the Nest:


They are:
  • The Zahard Army
  • The 10 Great Families
  • And Maschenny Zahard

That Maschenny Zahard merited being listed as a separate force by herself is pretty incredible.


In Season 3 Episode 99, Jinsung said that he initially thought that Maschenny was just a baby water snake, but she turned out to be a python too big to remain in the sea:


This is Jinsung admitting that he grossly underestimated her and that she's a far bigger deal than he could ever imagine.

And Jinsung doesn't even know the half of what she's up to.


In Season 3 Episode 103's blog post, SIU said that while Yuri is like an angry sea, that Maschenny is so deep and dark that she feels like a dangerous lake.

Again, it reinforces the notion that for SIU Maschenny is someone with hidden depths. Beneath the facade she dons lurks a terrifying monster.


SIU is not afraid to have Maschenny outmaneuver a Family Leader.

For example, even at the Nest, she managed to fool the entire Lo Po Bia Family. Traumerei and his servants believed that she had captured Baam and sealed Jinsung.

She made an entire Great Family and its Leader look like a bunch of clowns.


Maschenny has no hope of beating Traumerei in combat, but after this match is over, she'll be the one to emerge victorious.

Traumerei's objective is to capture Baam and use him for his own ends.

Maschenny hasn't told us what she wants yet, but she's made it clear that:
  • She doesn't want Baam to be captured or killed by Rei.
    • She said that she doesn't want the story to have a boring ending and wants to see it continue to become even more interesting.
  • She has very high expectations of Baam.
    • In Season 3 Episode 48 she wondered aloud what the Irregular could even accomplish on the battlefield. She further said that she wanted to see him become a vast wave of anger like the Tower has never seen before.
    • In Season 3 Episode 65 she commented that he reminded her of Zahard.
    • In Season 3 Episode 97 she wondered aloud if Baam could satisfy her expectations.
      • In response, Jinsung warned Baam not to come because the person waiting at the end of this was far too high for them.
      • It sounds like Jinsung was replying to Maschenny's expectations for Baam.
      • It sounds like Jinsung was warning Baam about Rei.

My current best guess is that Maschenny intends to drive Baam into conflict against Traumerei (perhaps using Jinsung), and her expectations are for him to prove himself in combat there.

Whatever her expectations are, Baam is going to blow them out of the water, and he'll leave the battle triumphant.

That's a win for Maschenny.


Traumerei would:
  • Fail to capture Baam
  • Lose whatever he sealed in the Frozen Waterfall.
  • Lose several of his strongest children

That'll be a massive loss for him.
You make lot of point but like most off the time when it come to maschenny they are wrong or overexgerated .

Rei , is one of the 13 , who is responsible for how the tower is .

Again , you keep saying she is the only 13 months princess in the story when it was never said , and it is likely false , given how much princess there .

The worst part is that we know most princess died , because they were figting each other a lot .

I know you will bring a text from SIU , but if it isn't marked in " HISTORY " it isn't a proof . Show me where he use the term only khun princess and history . If not it is pure headcannon .

SHe is important to another FH edhuan , another FH which don't matter given REi is a FH .

I mean all off this doesn't matter at all , whether she is Edhuan favorite daughter or not , Gustang lost is daughter and had to shut is mouth , yurin too , there is some tension but nothing more .

Her being a 13 months princess is also irrelevant , there was so much in history .

Her strenght doesnt' matter to the jahad family , given we know Jahad don't give a shit about any princess , he didn't give a shit about enne , much less her .

She is responsible for nothing and here you are lying , you attribute most off those thing to her , when it was actually zahard , and if you a fool enough to think she can influence Zahard behavior , you need to reread Khell elham story who tried to play with zahard . At least elham was able to see the future not her .

All FH can do the same , and she is not exempt off it . She is responsible for no war , only zahard .

If zahard didn't want any off it , she could have done nothing .

Jinsung never put along , the GF and zahard .

All her other little scheme and her trying to spread war , also don't matter , given as long as FH don't allow it , it will never happen .

You hyped her , not SIU , not only that SIU hyped lot of combatant , such as White and ended as dissapointment .

Maschenny is a bug and don't deserve to be counted as a party .

Yeah you are exagerating Jinsung word , he clearly recognize her ability , and that she is way bigger than he tought off her but not what you said .

You don't even know if LPB is looking at her little scheme and laughing , yet you say all off this .

Did you consider that LPB could be looking at her scheme and letting her playing herself .

You know there was another fool , who tough he could fool a irregular and he was more talented than her in that , you should look at how he ended up .

You have no proof that SIU will make maschenny outmaneuver a FH .

You gotta chill with maschenny .

Last week , it was Maschenny , icardi and ascencio can stall Rei , and now he is less relevant than her and he can be outmaneuver by her ?
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Per Khell Hellam's profile in TOG wikia:
"Khel Hellam's had also encountered the 10 Family Heads during Genesis, as he included the 10 Great Family Heads along with Zahard as the ones he deemed "masters of time and destiny itself".

Any schemes that happened in the Nest are just a mere trifle (seen in Rei's case) for them. Due to them being a master of time and destiny itself.
I really wonder how he will act when Rei will laugh at Masch scheme .
 

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Mmm what’s so crazy about arie dying next arc?
They are not gods Baam is.
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people forget that this story is about a new generation led by baam defeating the system imposed by zahard and the 10 leaders lol.
 

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Mmm what’s so crazy about arie dying next arc?
They are not gods Baam is.
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people forget that this story is about a new generation led by baam defeating the system imposed by zahard and the 10 leaders lol.
Yeah that is so wrong .

That new generation bullshit is composed of regular who will never be relevant in the manwha and Zahard opposition who are as old as him .

There is literally no chance that most irregular are defeated , beaten or killed .

At most 1 2 will die that is it .

The new generation is basically Baam .

It it almost guaranted that some GW are gonna rebel . We know it is will most likely Ha Yurin , Gustang , and likely Eurasia and maybe Edhuan .

So basically irregular vs irregulars .

No i want to ask how are they gonna die ? Who will kill them ? Who can kill them ?

How can any irregular die , when they basically showed anything ? So according to some off you guys , the biggest existence in TOG , those who the world turn around them , those who have been shrouded in mystery from the beginning will die in one arc without that much preparation on previous arc ?

Make no sense .
 

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That’s a easy question

baam, khun and rak

they going to do it.

they are not the biggest existence.
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Will it be weird if I say that the family and FH I'm most curious to see is Ari Han?
You know eveybody have different interest in this comic is a vast world in TOG
I just mention that ones who the most of the people like it..
 

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That’s a easy question

baam, khun and rak

they going to do it.

they are not the biggest existence.
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You know eveybody have different interest in this comic is a vast world in TOG
I just mention that ones who the most of the people like it..
Baam is right, khun AA and rak? No, this isnt fairy tail
 

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You know eveybody have different interest in this comic is a vast world in TOG
I just mention that ones who the most of the people like it..
well it's normal because they are the strongest families, I also want to see these a lot but I feel that people underestimate the Ari family a lot because of the Arie family as if the Ari family was a version 2, and Ari Han is probably at the bottom of the FH in the ranking for being a pacifist
 

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well it's normal because they are the strongest families, I also want to see these a lot but I feel that people underestimate the Ari family a lot because of the Arie family as if the Ari family was a version 2, and Ari Han is probably at the bottom of the FH in the ranking for being a pacifist
The thing is that Ari han is a talented swordsman from birth like Arie hon.. BTW they use needles..
What i mean is that even if he is a Pacifist he’s a beast... to be a pacifist you first need to be strong to maintain the peace.

ranking is based on achievements not just raw power
 

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I don't think you can actually pinpoint what the Ari family or head is capable of when we only have 1 character from that family and she's yet to be seen doing something relevant again ever since Lyborick had the ship blow up.

Being a pacifist probably won't probably influence the ranking much (the ranking is judged by different stuff and even then it's not always equal or fixed). Enne had a pacifistic nature atleast before she went crazy and I think she's in a considerably more than average rank, if not a very high one, even before the incident.
well because he's a pacifist and doesn't fight a lot is that i think he's below ranking and people underestimate him, i don't underestimate him, i'm sure he's very strong, the only person we saw was an incredibly talented and skillful HR
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The thing is that Ari han is a talented swordsman from birth like Arie hon.. BTW they use needles..
What i mean is that even if he is a Pacifist he’s a beast... to be a pacifist you first need to be strong to maintain the peace.

ranking is based on achievements not just raw power
yes i totally agree, he is definitely in a lower position for not having so many done just that
 
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