Chapter Tower of God Chapter 526 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

Shin’s translation is out!!
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[Sanity Check]

Did I miss the Shin or alpha trans or is it not out yet?

This chapter is long and has more dialogue than normal.

Should take longer to translate / scanlate.

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Dumb Headcanon Time. During the war V caught Traumerei unawares and gave him a Glasgow smile.

The term headcanon missed its calling in a title for a pornographic film.

What's the etymology of the term btw... still trying to figure out what it means.

 

[brzytki]

What's the etymology of the term btw... still trying to figure out what it means.

Urban Dictionary: Canon

/ˈkanən/ (canonical, canonically, canons) NOUN A word to describe something that is true to the original story. Things considered “canon” are basically considered “true” (in the story). -Similar Words: Not Canon; Something that isn’t true to the original story. Head-Canon; Usually used when...

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[sazon]

Cha says hello.

Plot convenience? (to shoehorn more shit into Baam)

Or maybe has something to do with the 'sealing' of the ancients that Zahard was said to do - they are too hard to kill and it's just easier to seal their powers?

Maybe as it has been speculated they CAN'T be killed? Or if they are they will just regenerate? (the tower has an auto-spawn feature somewhere lol)

Or maybe Rei simply can't let go of a test subject even after its use is over with. FOMO?

Owl seems to indicate their goal is there to capture, not kill. If killing is even possible.

Cha case has an explanation: to end any hope of the rebels. As much as the FH didn't care, FUG at that time made noise and annoyed the other members of the 10 families. Killing him would be worse because it would turn him into a martyr

 

[EternalWinter]

I like the middle ground of an immortal Slayer, or one that's undead or undying.

Gedo Mazo for FUG.

I’m not sold on the idea the slayer is dead personally

 

[Cinera]

Wang wang feels pretty much like not a person, at least early in his life. Just a puppy looking for a master. I can honesty see why yaratcha turned on wangwang at this point. On one hand, wangwang is an idiot. I suppose the implication here is that wangwang was content being a servant to the LPB family head until he met yama's mother... at which point he fell in love and finally knew a feeling other than a master. At which point he was a dog that would bite it's master and the family head lost interest and yaratcha saw his chance to get one of wangwang's fangs so that he wouldn't be dominated by others. The flashback makes yaratcha seem like a weirdly sympathetic character. Forming an unlikely relationship with wangwang, being unable to get anything out of him, eventually becoming fed up and making a move against the newly in love wangwang to get a fang an attain freedom for himself... Granted that yaratcha is still a dick though. And he definitely should have been a lot kinder to doom and his siblings. I suppose in a way yaratcha was sort of being kind to doom and the others. Allowing them to escape, telling them to not show up again. He was a dick about it but still.

Uhm, no. Wang's death was ordered by Traumerei. Yasratcha says it in no unequivocal terms before he begins the flashback. That Traumerei led Wang to his death, and that to Traumerei he and Wang were nothing but mere trifles swept up by fate.

Yasratcha did not make any move to acquire Wang's Fang. Wang willingly gave it up to Yasratcha. He also charged Yasratcha with protecting his children.

 

[Fun]

The ranker contract stops you from aging right? If so, then Hendok got a worse contract than even typical ranker gets?

If you give your children and your children's children the curse of a short life, you alone will be able to live an eternal life through the life you've taken from them. (100th Floor Guardian proposition's to Hendo)

Taken from TOG wikia, a short life is roughly a 100 hundred years, though for typical Rankers it could be longer.

Hendo the FH has a unique contract with 100th Floor Administrator which trades the lifespan of his children and other descendants in order to continuously extend his own life.

His children and descendants share a similar trait that they can't be immortal.
Even if they're aging slowly from the ranker contract, assuming they live long enough.
Their lifespan is still limited. Due to being Inflicted by the curse of a short life.

Blodmadder's Ranker IMO they have a shorter lifespan than average ranker. Because of this the rankers that uphold the Hendo family are adopted.

 

[sazon]

Still confused. The point I made that was maybe the reason HL wasn't given a contract is that he would be too OP due to his specific skillset. As he would be an unkillable defender, effectively making him a literally indestructible wall to pretty much everything in the tower. I suppose his current immortality limits his influence as it comes as the cost of his blood relatives.

But if you take into account the assumption that Arlen can't kill himself, that means the other 13GW can't kill each other so they're all invincible, but without the tanking power.

Not to mention that an ADM must be able to exceed the 100th floor contract and an irregular can still kill him, that is, it wouldn't change anything in relation to the other 13GW and finally, I think we can count on the fingers of one hand, or maybe less, someone capable of hurting the best defender of the tower, obviously I'm not counting the ADM and the other 13GW.

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I like the middle ground of an immortal Slayer, or one that's undead or undying.

Gedo Mazo for FUG.

What if Imort is a Necromancer? I feel like SIU has been flirting with this for a while, with both White and Daniel.

 

[Turtle hunter]

What @ivaannom said, plus the timeliness of this flashback. It's tying together what's going on with Yas/Yama, the sealed creature/being that was JUST accessed/is being accessed, the fact that it is indeed a seal by Rei (SIU has gone out of his way to show this), and I'd also add that Owl at the end seems to indicate the hunting party is there to 'capture' not so much destroy.

I'm not sure anyone is saying anything with certainty as in it has been confirmed, but we're talking about it in degrees of certainty.

I'd say it is north of 90% to be one and the same, whatever condition it is currently in. Even you concede it's probably the the same!



OK, well I agree and disagree. My point was that Owl is - more than likely - not going to solo this ancient creature. Which is what you actually say at the end after saying 'no' lol, so, agreed?

As to the size of the army, meh, disagree.

We both know that what REALLY matters is individuals - yes, only the likes of Owl and Yas and whoever move the needle in battle. The rest are unknown red-shirts, duh.

That said, this event was enough to move Zahard. Even if only in holo-form, he's still interested enough to come 'in person' - which indicates it's a bigger deal than any run of the mill drill.

That and the fact you have several HR's on scene - at least Yas and Owl (rank unknown then of course), possibly many more. We see giant creatures below, so there are several anima present as well.

And, Yas was in awe with not only Zahard's appearance but it was made a big deal about how this was a joint operation of two FH armies - not an everyday even and also speaks to the scale. Yes, the rando ships and red-shirts are effectively useless, but there are certainly much more of them than at most times events is what is being conveyed.

Alllllll this to say that the creature, the fucking size of a mountain, isn't going to go down easily.

IF Owl is central to taking him down - which is what I had originally responded to your posts about, IMO that either downplays the ancient being the size of a fucking mountain or overplays Owl - or both really.



This. All this and what I said above. But, certainly your last point.



I don't generally disagree, but I will say this: what COULD be done that wasn't done doesn't mean it couldn't be done (does that even make sense?).

In other words, let's say GongBang has the TECH to take on Zahard. Only, they don't need to as Zahard 'lets' them operate as they please and a Tower government system actually makes the tower run more smoothly for their purposes. I personally think it is not Zahard 'letting' GB continue to operate, but the opposite.

Same with the Thorn.

Same with Gustang making moves.

The point is there seem to be powers in the tower biding their time. The time was waiting for Baam. I think FUG knows this - at least the higher ups. If only Luslec at least (the rest seem to be useful idiots of sorts). Maybe some elders, maybe some first gen slayers. But at least Luslec, and he's the one that set it up the way he did for good reason.

There's also a reason Gustang waited potentially tens of thousands of years to make his move. Same as why FUG had waited to consolidate the thorn. Or Headon's manipulations behind the scenes. Or any other convergence that seemed to be waiting for Baam's arrival.

Baam is the linchpin that will allow others to act, but that doesn't mean they don't have merit in varying forms of strength. They just couldn't use it until Baam was on the scene. IMO.



This lol. I tried explaining that at least per the translation that we have it does in fact not necessitate the Slayer being dead and gone, but in fact shows a surprise at where the creature that was/is in the Slayer HAD been (all this time/after all - implied, possibly). We don't know if the language is meant to be definitive; it is actually pretty vague, and there are various real-time usages for past-tense phraseology that mean the past-tense condition is still intact. Similar to your Cairo example.

We just can't say yet - too soon, and I'm OK being wrong thinking he might still be around/living (or even a husk a la Gedo Mazo/undead), but it's not CERTAIN that the Slayer is gone. It would also be odd to make a reference to a Slayer as a host and not explore that at all. Why not "oh, the ancient power is still alive!" (irrespective of host as the host in that scenario is dead). It's extra, unnecessary information if the Slayer is no longer a part of the story as his role is long over. Now, maybe as I said before there is something about that particular Slayer that allowed the creature to live in his dead husk even after death unlike other hosts, but that's just a guess of sorts at this point and not definitive all the same.



Random speculation - Traum is, um, traumatized so he can't' be looked at directly and it's less about being a FH (for instance, Gustang still thinks bugs are bugs but doesn't seem to mind being looked at) and more about his trauma.

Maybe his face is scared and that explains him not wanting to be seen AND the usage of a mask which seems at the very least... extra/unnecessary (lol @ the notion of useless masks... ) [maybe he's a Tower Karen]



I think you're both right. Rei DOES seem to be wanting a dog to be treated like a stereotypical dog and a cat to be the same. He wants pets - a cat and a dog.

But what Cin doesn't seem to get yet, and I think it's in the story though subtle, is that Rei is an observer.

I think he wants to see what plays out if he treats them like their respective creatures.

IOW, I don't think his desire ENDS at treating Yas like a cat. 'Hey, play in this tower. Done'

He seems morbidly curious what their moves are. Like how he responds to Yas' suggestion just to kill both BH's.

Rei probably knows what Yas is doing, same as he's watching WW amass a doggo following.

It's like the notion of a god playing with his creations. It supercedes a pet-owner just wanting a pet to only be a pet. Or, it is at least complimentary.

These are in fact EXPERIMENTS for Rei. He's not going to end it at Yas playing in a tower...



Whoa whoa whoa. Whoa. Let's not.



Disagreed. WW is following his very strong instincts. A dog's bred desire to please is ingrained its genes. It's actually pleasing to them to please their owners, and WW is half dog - so this is going to be a very strong instinctual drive for him. He finds his role sufficient as a lapdog, and is pleased as such. Not everyone can be CEOs, we still need foot-soldiers. Not everyone can be independent cats (same as Yas - is he being stupid for not living like a dog?). Yas can't grasp WW's motives as a cat - known to be independent. That doesn't make either 'stupid' it just makes them individuals and stereotypes of their respective creatures. Even Yas remarks this is due to them being from different stock after all.



This is your typical response. Come in a day late and just repeat a thought as novel (it's not) when that's literally what has been being discussed for 10+ pages now. What's the point? Why not read up if you're going to participate many pages later?

Ummm, yes, that's exactly what's been said since, eh, page 1?



Interesting theory, it certainly seems like that.

For instance, FoD guardian was 'killed' yet revived.

Maybe that's what Rak is, a reincarnation of the original rock user, or even the main Native One.

It certainly seems that life-cycles of creatures reincarnating or reviving seems to be a possibility.

Though too soon to say as a fact.



Cha says hello.

Plot convenience? (to shoehorn more shit into Baam)

Or maybe has something to do with the 'sealing' of the ancients that Zahard was said to do - they are too hard to kill and it's just easier to seal their powers?

Maybe as it has been speculated they CAN'T be killed? Or if they are they will just regenerate? (the tower has an auto-spawn feature somewhere lol)

Or maybe Rei simply can't let go of a test subject even after its use is over with. FOMO?

Owl seems to indicate their goal is there to capture, not kill. If killing is even possible.

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I think a lot of us agreed seeing all the LPB acting on behalf of Zahard that it at least seems like Rei is an ass-kisser to the king. 'Friends' can mean a lot of things, but he seems particularly comfortable cozying up to to Zahard.

Case in point their joint operations in capturing the ancient power.

Or how they both have shared the Nest.

I think it's safe to say that Rei is a lapdog of sorts.

While they are both irregulars and Rei is still a FH as a 'god' of the Tower, there's STILL a hierarchy among the OG13, and Zahard came out on top as the defacto Tower King. Rei seems more of a brown-noser. Contrasted to Arie who didn't want to admit defeat or acknowledge Zahard unless he had to by being bested.

If Zahard is king then even the other FH's are subservient to him (to a point).

Rei could be both a contemporary (as an irregular) of Zahard AND a follower/subordinate of sorts.

His Yama also a pet of Rei , and playing the mad dog who will bite back his master hand .

Why are you comment so long ?

 

[sazon]

Come to think of it I think Doom's mother is also one of the experiments, being that she's a female bird, it's the only sense I see of him having wings.

I hope in the future we will have more explanation about the transformations, Yas and WW apparently didn't use it as a regular one, well Varagrav only came to awaken as a C rank, maybe they woke up later during the climb.

Still, I think it's too variable an ability to involve just "simple" beastmen. So I can think that in addition to animal genes, the workshop used the power of the old 43rd floor ADM and Traumerai gene. That's why all the transformations are so different (chimeric ADM) and they have the ability to control other people (Traumerai gene).

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Why are you comment so long ?

Dude, I wish I knew.

Put me on the payroll.

 

[Jyu viole grace]

Shin’s translation is out!!
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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom Please pin this

 

[Jack Van Burace]

No, this is the translation in the pins:

And the translator responsible already confirmed on Discord that its past tense.

• Traumerei said that it's too bright before turning off the lights.
  • This is canon, it's not my headcanon.
• The Branch Leaders are the ones saying that no one should look at Traumerei.
  • Traumerei himself has shown no indication that he actually cares about people looking at him.
  • He did not react to Lyborick looking at him and refusing to bow.

This is just sheer headcanon.

Traumerei said that letting Yasratcha play around and laze about is the everyday life of a cat.

Everything else you said is sheer headcanon.


Traumerei treated his (hunting) dog like a dog (training, discipline).
And his cat like a cat (leisure, play).

Ok, so "had a Slayer as its host" might just mean he broke free and that they're no longer together. We can't say the host died. He might have faked the Ancient One's death and let it stay hidden in this Volcano safely. There could be a lot of scenarios where this line holds true and the Slayer didn't get offed. I say we wait before judging.

 

[Big-Bird]

I would like to add one thing about Kirin:
He is a senior officer in the LPB army, so it makes sense that if the LPB has an army, then there should be officers in it.
What I mean is that it's never said that he's one of the regents of the family. it's highly probable that he's one of the 2 but if later we're told he's not one of them it wouldn't be illogical

 

[O_n_Sly]

So Kirin must be 1 of the 2 staying back on the mothership according to Perseus! Perseus, WGW, Owl can’t overcome a taming, interesting!

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Just my guess here the Roby setup Wangwang. Wangwang probably disrespected his tamer, he was probably given an impossible command like murder his 2nd wife

 

[kkck]

Something which I forgot to comment on.. Before season 3 we had some very specific lore regarding baylord yama, the bayroad and even with imort. We also learned of imort having something to do with yama. Seeing this chapter though I think we do see what siu did with that old lore. The bayroad was basically written of but instead we have a very similar setting to the old lore with the beastkin and the workshop where they were made.

I suppose whether imort has a role here is up in the air for the time being but it seems unlikely.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Crazy how Yama, Doom, and Yas resort to the same exact brutal treatment of subordinates, that they supposedly hated.

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The 2 High Rankers Yas had executed, probably came back to bite him in the ass!

 

[Sanity Check]

Good chapter.



I think something critical about Yasratcha's future may have been revealed here:

Spoiler

Theory

1. We know Yasratcha can control dogkins in the future

2. Chapter 526 revealed all furry army personnel can be controlled except for Wangwang.

Can both points be reconciled?

...

Two of the most obvious possibilities:

1. Yasratcha is later promoted to a higher ranking where he is granted the ability to control dogkin.

2. Wangwang gives Yasratcha a fang which makes him immune to LPB mind control and grants him the ability to control dogkin.

Owl's trump card ability may also have been revealed.

Spoiler

Owl may have captured the giant ancient species as if it were a pokemon.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Good chance EVK and Hidden Garden are connected to this flashback battle!

 

[Lo Po Bia]

LPB army officer great tamer, LPB Kirin, we've never seen a presentation like this, 100% that he is one of those who can replace FH?