Hangout Tower of God Hangout & Q/A Thread

[MonsterBaam]

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Animation feels a bit off but super hyped about it

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I am hearing it will be split cours. This sucks. Now we have to wait another year at least for cour 2. They can't even give us 24 episodes after 4 years huh.

 

[Demonspeed]

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S2's OP:


Nothing special IMO but it's much better than the first one obviously. I love the parts with Urek though, they are hype .

 

[King Dryst]

I, for one, cannot wait to see the new adventures of Frank Bohm.

 

[Lonatian]

The prophercy said thorn is for "baam", enryu only send it/place it on FoD as messenger of god from outside.

Tower people name it enryu's thorn, doesn't meant it own by enryu.

Is that really important here?
Thorn was something Enryu left behind, no matter who it was for, it was the ultimate item.

Unless Baam was the one who created it, it was originally a gift.

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How does any of this matter? You fight with what you have. Wave Controllers have weapons too, they usually use Orbs or Wands. But we haven't seen many.

They fought, used their strongest attacks and their clash ended in a draw. Then Zahard forfeited. It's that simple.

Okay, if you say so then I'll say that Baam forfeited with data of young Zahard. But he is weaker than young Zahard.

We're not even talking about the same scope.

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And I still maintain that the only reason why Baam can fight on par with Zahard (data) is thorns.

 

[Justpassingbypassingby]

Is that really important here?
Thorn was something Enryu left behind, no matter who it was for, it was the ultimate item.

Unless Baam was the one who created it, it was originally a gift.

Yes cause you said "the thorn was enryu's", but the case's enryu only delivered the thorn.

 

[Ignorant]

Data Zahard forfeited but they drew during their final clash. Baam only had the Thorn back then.

Data never fought serious
Baam was gassed out at the end
And data zahard don’t even use his transformation.

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Is that really important here?
Thorn was something Enryu left behind, no matter who it was for, it was the ultimate item.

Unless Baam was the one who created it, it was originally a gift.

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Okay, if you say so then I'll say that Baam forfeited with data of young Zahard. But he is weaker than young Zahard.

We're not even talking about the same scope.

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And I still maintain that the only reason why Baam can fight on par with Zahard (data) is thorns.

Not gonna lie you could’ve easily win this debate without talking about the thorn. The thing is that data zahard never fought Baam seriously he was testing him little by little let him grow just to have a fun fight, he can also transform which is probably a stronger form of his but never used it, at the end of the match baam was gassed out but Datat Zahard still has his leviathan needle form and he was ready to keep fighting adult zahard while baam froze up.

 

[Justpassingbypassingby]

Data never fought serious
Baam was gassed out at the end
And data zahard don’t even use his transformation.

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Not gonna lie you could’ve easily win this debate without talking about the thorn. The thing is that data zahard never fought Baam seriously he was testing him little by little let him grow just to have a fun fight, he can also transform which is probably a stronger form of his but never used it, at the end of the match baam was gassed out but Datat Zahard still has his leviathan needle form and he was ready to keep fighting adult zahard while baam froze up.

Yeah data zahard underestimated baam, he take damage without wary when iirc black shinshu launch to him and take one of his hand, but as long as we take the conclusion that data zahard concide that he lost, because he wants the real zahard take the challenge from baam, I take it that he lost, even when it can be draw or one of them lost if there isn't interfere from real zahard cause hwang stupidly wants to become human.

 

[Ignorant]

Yeah data zahard underestimated baam, he take damage without wary when iirc black shinshu launch to him and take one of his hand, but as long as we take the conclusion that data zahard concide that he lost, because he wants the real zahard take the challenge from baam, I take it that he lost, even when it can be draw or one of them lost if there isn't interfere from real zahard cause hwang stupidly wants to become human.

In term of the game they were playing Baam was about to win because he luckily woke up near the black sphere to end the game, the victory was granted by Zahard not because Baam was stronger
If not because at that point it was useless to keep playing the game Baam was literally right besides the black ball.

but in term of who would win the fight
Data Zahard still can use transformation
And he still got his leviathan sword-needle
Baam was almost dead!

 

[Demonspeed]

In term of the game they were playing Baam was about to win because he luckily woke up near the black sphere to end the game, the victory was granted by Zahard not because Baam was stronger
If not because at that point it was useless to keep playing the game Baam was literally right besides the black ball.

but in term of who would win the fight
Data Zahard still can use transformation
And he still got his leviathan sword-needle
Baam was almost dead!

No reason to think that Zahard could transform back then. He was giving his all against Baam and used his weapon's ultimate form.

 

[Ignorant]

No reason to think that Zahard could transform back then. He was giving his all against Baam and used his weapon's ultimate form. VERY WRONG

This is Data Zahard fully transformed
When he met baam for the first time
And this is Adult Zahard using Transformation
To kill this guy through the mirror

Zahard accepted the proposal from the demon inside him in the Rev. Pot clearly the data world was after he accepted the deal to be king and reign above everybody in the tower. How we know Zahard accepted the deal because he was asking Baam what he saw and what he was told inside him in the Rev. Pot
And after baam denied he showed him the Transformation and as we all know Baam was offered a deal to be Emperor as well by the Blue Thryssa so Zahard was trying to confirm if Baam was really a threat to him.

 

[kkck]

I didn't take that transformation to be literal at the moment. Since we saw zahard after that and he looked normal. Add to that, data zahard didn't use the red tentacles at all during his fight, it was the real zahard that eventually unleashed them within the data world.

It's unclear if zahard has a demon within him to begin with. What bam went through his own revolution is not necessarily the same as with other family heads. Bam talked with a demon creature during his revolution but it is worth remembering the identity of the demon in question is actually the blue thrysa. Which is something which bam collected through his climb in the tower. And I would maintain one of the greatest mysteries in the series as unlike the red thrysa there's no obvious origin to the blue thrysa as an admin fragment. Imagine if bam had done his revolution without collecting the blue thryssa. He obviously would not have talked to it in that scenario. Bam's revolution would have been quite different. The GoG iirc did suggest something to this effect in regards to zahard but even if zahard has a demon it's unclear what it's origins are, what it's agenda is or if he even offered the same sort of deal to zahard. It's not something the GoG can know in full detail either. To me it's a bit confusing that the stuff inside bam could offer him deals like some sort of genie. What bam ultimately rejected in his own revolution was the temptation and allure of power over others so to speak, iirc at least. It wasn't a wish type thing.

 

[Justpassingbypassingby]

And I would maintain one of the greatest mysteries in the series as unlike the red thrysa there's no obvious origin to the blue thrysa as an admin fragment.

Isn't enough as RT said when see blue thyrssa inside baam it said "that's administrator's power"? RT himself is "administrator's power", both have similar skill "external mimesis" that baam can used even one for offence and another for defence, I don't know why you maintenance this obvious hints as still mystery.

 

[Ignorant]

I didn't take that transformation to be literal at the moment. Since we saw zahard after that and he looked normal. Add to that, data zahard didn't use the red tentacles at all during his fight, it was the real zahard that eventually unleashed them within the data world.

It's unclear if zahard has a demon within him to begin with. What bam went through his own revolution is not necessarily the same as with other family heads. Bam talked with a demon creature during his revolution but it is worth remembering the identity of the demon in question is actually the blue thrysa. Which is something which bam collected through his climb in the tower. And I would maintain one of the greatest mysteries in the series as unlike the red thrysa there's no obvious origin to the blue thrysa as an admin fragment. Imagine if bam had done his revolution without collecting the blue thryssa. He obviously would not have talked to it in that scenario. Bam's revolution would have been quite different. The GoG iirc did suggest something to this effect in regards to zahard but even if zahard has a demon it's unclear what it's origins are, what it's agenda is or if he even offered the same sort of deal to zahard. It's not something the GoG can know in full detail either. To me it's a bit confusing that the stuff inside bam could offer him deals like some sort of genie. What bam ultimately rejected in his own revolution was the temptation and allure of power over others so to speak, iirc at least. It wasn't a wish type thing.

Humans can’t turn into a monster grow up is chapter 650+ are you blind I literally posted the image LOL

 

[kkck]

Isn't enough as RT said when see blue thyrssa inside baam it said "that's administrator's power"? RT himself is "administrator's power", both have similar skill "external mimesis" that baam can used even one for offence and another for defence, I don't know why you maintenance this obvious hints as still mystery.

Not sure of what about this refers to the obvious origin of the blue thrysa

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Humans can’t turn into a monster grow up is chapter 650+ are you blind I literally posted the image LOL

wat

 

[Demonspeed]

This is Data Zahard fully transformed
When he met baam for the first time
And this is Adult Zahard using Transformation
To kill this guy through the mirror

Zahard accepted the proposal from the demon inside him in the Rev. Pot clearly the data world was after he accepted the deal to be king and reign above everybody in the tower. How we know Zahard accepted the deal because he was asking Baam what he saw and what he was told inside him in the Rev. Pot
And after baam denied he showed him the Transformation and as we all know Baam was offered a deal to be Emperor as well by the Blue Thryssa so Zahard was trying to confirm if Baam was really a threat to him.

It makes no sense for Data Zahard to hold something back when he was overjoyed to see how strong Baam was. Zahard had a monster inside but only his adult self used the horns for attack.

Isn't enough as RT said when see blue thyrssa inside baam it said "that's administrator's power"? RT himself is "administrator's power", both have similar skill "external mimesis" that baam can used even one for offence and another for defence, I don't know why you maintenance this obvious hints as still mystery.

He got the Mimesis ability from Doom. Which allows him to manifest the power of the Thryssas externally.

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Is that really important here?
Thorn was something Enryu left behind, no matter who it was for, it was the ultimate item.

Unless Baam was the one who created it, it was originally a gift.

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Okay, if you say so then I'll say that Baam forfeited with data of young Zahard. But he is weaker than young Zahard.

We're not even talking about the same scope.

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And I still maintain that the only reason why Baam can fight on par with Zahard (data) is thorns.

It doesn't matter if he needed the Thorn to do it. Why would he not use his weapon? Some characters fight without weapons even because that's their style. Zahard had Lecalicus too.

 

[Justpassingbypassingby]

Not sure of what about this refers to the obvious origin of the blue thrysa

It obivious because only few people/things know why it called administrator's power iirc data eduan, data zahard, and administrator itself even RT just fragment from admin it itself is still had admin's power, so BT is admin's power that has a high chance that BT is same with RT.

He got the Mimesis ability from Doom. Which allows him to manifest the power of the Thryssas externally.

Yes he got that from doom but I think only by admin's power (RT & BT) he can manifest the external mimesis, because of that iirc baam always has horn when he used external mimesis to represent that he used admin's power (RT & BT).

 

[O_n_Sly]

My only point is that the FH climb was lame asf. The glory and overhype over it was written by Gustang. Gustang admits himself via AA in S3ch155 “a bunch of lies”.

 

[kkck]

It obivious because only few people/things know why it called administrator's power iirc data eduan, data zahard, and administrator itself even RT just fragment from admin it itself is still had admin's power, so BT is admin's power that has a high chance that BT is same with RT.



Yes he got that from doom but I think only by admin's power (RT & BT) he can manifest the external mimesis, because of that iirc baam always has horn when he used external mimesis to represent that he used admin's power (RT & BT).

The series has never evidenced the blue thrysa coming from the hell floor admin. Bam didn't even pick it up at the hell floor, it was at an indeterminate point earlier.

 

[Justpassingbypassingby]

The series has never evidenced the blue thrysa coming from the hell floor admin. Bam didn't even pick it up at the hell floor, it was at an indeterminate point earlier.

Yeah that never stated, even RT confused there is someone has admin's power like itself, but there is only one admin that dead, if RT is admin's fragment from the dead admin had admin's power, and when RT dead by urek and RT admin's power comes to baam, it can be BT is the same? BT can be from the dead admin on FoD it can be someone (I suspect workshop and fug do this, even karaka has special way to come inside FoD without give up his soul) carry it from FoD, it dead like RT dead some place on lower floor and comes to baam.

 

[Demonspeed]

SIU said Baam got it randomly while climbing and getting the Thorn. I remember discussing about this with @Big-Bird before and he said that BT is the fusion of the red lobster or something.

Still skeptical about this because I doubt they can use an Admin's power like this. Even the Red Thryssa's power was absorbed randomly by Baam. I think the same thing happened. Baam simply ended up absorbing a BT fragment during his climb.

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Yes he got that from doom but I think only by admin's power (RT & BT) he can manifest the external mimesis, because of that iirc baam always has horn when he used external mimesis to represent that he used admin's power (RT & BT).

That's because he only had them. Now he can do it with Leviathan too to an extent.