Registered User英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
- Jul 22, 2017
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First, i never claimed BASE goku to be universal. He is universal in his ssg and above transformations. And as i said he was in his base form and had his guards lowered.So, everything is clear for Goku but when I mention something I always need to post proofs? It's embarrassing yes because:
What I said never changed. I said that Goku would get compressed by Urek, nerfing his abilities and so he would be easily outclassed by Urek. IT could allow him to avoid sealing potentially, but not defeating Urek when he would be probably even smaller than an ant. You claimed that DB characters can't be affected by hax, it has been proven wrong. Even the fact that UI can't be hit has been proven in this thread. Toriyama isn't that serious. You are the first one who mentioned feats of different characters. As of now, I still don't see how Goku could avoid being defeated by compression. A miniature Goku is certainly not going to defeat him.
- You claim that Base Goku is universal, mutiversal or something, he still got scratched by bullet. But you find this acceptable.
- Ki control has never been fleshed out in Dragon Ball.
- Looking at another direction? Did you miss this? And if that's enough to deal with such a martial artist, yes, it should be embarrassing.
- You want Phanta's feats, pics even, but you want Roshi's feat to be ignored in this battle. Of course, because it doesn't make DB looks as mighty as you want.
It has. Ressurection F is a great example where ssb goku who was a bit weaker than Golden frieza outlasted him. It was after that moment when goku went to base and lowered his guards when he was shot by sorbet's laser ring which injured him. Another instance was Universe 6 vs universe 7 saga where it was mentioned that ssb looses it's power very quickly due to not having better ki control.
I never missed the panel and i already addressed it in my previous post.
I mean phantaminium doesn't have a feat TBH. Only authors statement that he can do this and that. Still i don't go saying that he is weak just because he doesn't have feats. So you should also try to fo the same man. And i never ignored roshi vs jiren and addressed it properly. I clearly said that toyotaro wanted roshi to have those feats otherwise why would he let roshi fight jiren of all people. Hell people have criticized him for that. So uf you have to blame someone then blame toyotaro for his inconsistency.
First is you have to show me urek actually compressing a moving character. Has he compressed another character instead of Just a forest?? Compression doesn't means his stats will be lowered either. Vegito was turned into a tiny candy by buu yet he still kicked buu's ass. You are completely talking UI to a different direction. UI main function is to Dodge or defend against anything without thinking about it. The manga pretty much clears it. And as for the hax T. O. G works at best on continental characters whereas db has characters whose hax affects entire planets.
Hell goku himself has his own hax like hakai, telekinesis IT etc. Show me urek having survive getting himself erased from existence or getting TK'd by a being thousands of time stronger than him.