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It is not like Trump knows anything about anything.
Yeah but Pence still needs to put some work before he´s put as POTUS, he needs to get how do I put it? More of a presence by himself, he needs to build on that.
 

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Yeah but Pence still needs to put some work before he´s put as POTUS, he needs to get how do I put it? More of a presence by himself, he needs to build on that.
None of these terrible people SHOULD be Potus, but trump is one of the worst possible choices after ppl like betsy devos.
 

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None of these terrible people SHOULD be Potus, but trump is one of the worst possible choices after ppl like betsy devos.
Betsy DeVos is waaaay down on the list. I doubt that, if anything were to happen, she would ever become POTUS.
 

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I dont know pence sounds weak for presidential material, right now if he got a few more time as vice president it would be a good thing, plus he wont know what to do about obamacare except repealing.
Well, pence's only real merit is how presidential "he looks" so far. Remember the VP debate? Pence lied through his teeth about trump and yet the only comments about it was how presidential he looked.... I am not so sure of what more time as VP would do for pence to be honest. As far as republicans pence is probably their idea of a perfect president. As for repealing obamacare, no republican really knows what to do about it. Just look at their current situation with the party... Trump during his campaign basically offered universal health care. And in the past few weeks he went ahead threw his people under the bus and is more or less behind ryan's plan. And the moment the plan got out the party basically shattered. You have the faction that thinks trumpcare is too socialist, then the faction that thinks it is merely a watered down obamacare, then the faction that does not want to see 20 million people lose health care. And of course, ryan appearing on tv telling people with a straight face that he does not actually care about all those people loosing health care coverage and that that is even a good thing. No republican knows what to do about health care. Not 3 weeks ago trump said "nobody knew healthcare was so complicated". If trump, the absolute leader of the party does not know health care is complicated, let alone anything about it, what hope is there for the suckers that he leads? Fact is, republicans in general do not know anything nor care about anything nor even care about knowing about health care. Republicans are the only major party of any developed nation to whom "universal health care" is an intrinsically bad thing. Which actually explains why the party knows and cares so little about health care as a whole. Universal health care for them is intrinsically evil.
 

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Yeah but Pence still needs to put some work before he´s put as POTUS, he needs to get how do I put it? More of a presence by himself, he needs to build on that.
Why do you care more about style over substance? Regardless of what you think of Pence's views, he at least has experience in the executive branch of government. Trump has zilch.
 

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Why do you care more about style over substance? Regardless of what you think of Pence's views, he at least has experience in the executive branch of government. Trump has zilch.
Style? Things like charisma are good substance "style" is one of the things what made trump having shots at being POTUS because most people watching tv watched one his add vids or shows once or twice.

When I say building "presence" is making sure pence gets his act together when the pressure comes in and not go golfing like obama.
 

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Style? Things like charisma are good substance "style" is one of the things what made trump having shots at being POTUS because most people watching tv watched one his add vids or shows once or twice.

When I say building "presence" is making sure pence gets his act together when the pressure comes in and not go golfing like obama.
But Trump isn't running for election now, and Pence wouldn't either if he was appointed in such a scenario. Governance is the only thing that matters in that moment.

But getting his act together in what way?
 

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But Trump isn't running for election now, and Pence wouldn't either if he was appointed in such a scenario. Governance is the only thing that matters in that moment.

But getting his act together in what way?
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Pence would do well do try and fix this sort of behaviour or he will be weak in negotiations, if he gets to be POTUS, last thing America could wish for is weak president in negotiayions, not saying he´s necessarily bad, but he´s way too diferent from Trump and their relation clearly showcases Pence would need to change if he was POTUS instead of trump, like instead of being the Right hand of the lion in the room, Pence would need to actually become the new lion, if he gets the POTUS position and the adaptation process wouldnt be easy, so a scenario where something unexpected happens with Trump and Pence goes to POTUS without being confortable with it, can cause bad results.

I personally think he´d be a much better POTUS material by the time the trump presidency is near it´s end, because by them he might start getting a better grasp on how to handle the POTUS position and not necessarily from experiencing Trump´s presidency as whole (because there are gonna be things, I´m sure he wont like about Trump´s presidency), but by capitalizing the Trump attention to build himself up, for it and lets not get started on the "economic presence" thing because thats a whole other thing to address as well, which I dont believe Pence could do as well as Trump, no matter how much experience he gets unfortunately.
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Well, pence's only real merit is how presidential "he looks" so far. Remember the VP debate? Pence lied through his teeth about trump and yet the only comments about it was how presidential he looked.... I am not so sure of what more time as VP would do for pence to be honest. As far as republicans pence is probably their idea of a perfect president. As for repealing obamacare, no republican really knows what to do about it. Just look at their current situation with the party... Trump during his campaign basically offered universal health care. And in the past few weeks he went ahead threw his people under the bus and is more or less behind ryan's plan. And the moment the plan got out the party basically shattered. You have the faction that thinks trumpcare is too socialist, then the faction that thinks it is merely a watered down obamacare, then the faction that does not want to see 20 million people lose health care. And of course, ryan appearing on tv telling people with a straight face that he does not actually care about all those people loosing health care coverage and that that is even a good thing. No republican knows what to do about health care. Not 3 weeks ago trump said "nobody knew healthcare was so complicated". If trump, the absolute leader of the party does not know health care is complicated, let alone anything about it, what hope is there for the suckers that he leads? Fact is, republicans in general do not know anything nor care about anything nor even care about knowing about health care. Republicans are the only major party of any developed nation to whom "universal health care" is an intrinsically bad thing. Which actually explains why the party knows and cares so little about health care as a whole. Universal health care for them is intrinsically evil.
My problem with the VP debate was that Pence has that "smooth talking", but I wish we could´ve gotten more from him, it´s interesting to adress the Pence/Trump dinamic, though, I after that debate I thought that as far dinamic political duos were going, Kaine/Hillary was a mess and that Trump/Pence was "diverse" to say the least and how boy did the internet make those Trump/Pence memes a actual thing...:XD

Well the whole skyrocketting premiums with Obamacare were a real bomb and while it´s true that the republicans have proper idea on what to replace it which, they do have some valid points as well, I´d say the initial Obamacare remodelling Trump proposed is bad and that repealing it completely is bad as well, first I´d say try and get rid of the premiums if nobody wants them, dont enforce any uneeded things into the population as well, make it more optional the rest yeah, keep it as long as it´s something that can be managed and not spiral out of control like the premiums and for gods sake pls prevent any radical like negotiations to get any results from both alt right and alt left, it´s a bound disaster waiting to happen.
 

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Of course trump has something against germany. If anything, it would be kinda ridiculous that he didn't have something against them. Policy wise germany and trump are polar opposites on many fronts after all.

A country without it's own currency manipulating it's currency? Now that is something lol....The guy should at least do a better job explaining what he is talking about.
 

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Trumps' approval rating might not be high but still republicans are expected to gain seats in the next senate election. I wonder what does it mean for the democratic party :lmao
 

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Trumps' approval rating might not be high but still republicans are expected to gain seats in the next senate election. I wonder what does it mean for the democratic party :lmao
How exactly are senators elected? If it's an electoral college thing that is by no means impossible. That said, an accurate forecast of al election well over a year away is probably not a thing.
 

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How exactly are senators elected? If it's an electoral college thing that is by no means impossible. That said, an accurate forecast of al election well over a year away is probably not a thing.
They are elected by states afaik. Each state has like 2 senators. They run for election in every 4 years. So there are 100 senators. Democrats have to defend tough states at places like Indiana and some other red states.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...27c98455440_story.html?utm_term=.01201c4c996e

This is something that plainly weirded me out. Shouldn't this be terrible, if not terrifying, news for trump? For one thing, it in no form or context would validate trump's comments on obama spying on him. Since Nunes is talking about intelligence agencies doing work legally. So far. In any case, this does not constitute evidence of illegal stuff going on. Then you have the comments that this does not relate to the FBI's investigation on trump colluding with Russia. So... what the hell does it relate to?

Now, they speak of incidentally getting people on the trump investigation. That would mean that in a presumably legal intelligence investigation there were a bunch of people from the trump administration who had contacts with the people involved in said investigation.

Another comment here which caught my attention is the bit about the information being widespread in the intelligence community... Which made me think about what was reported earlier regarding obama making sure intelligence regarding russia's interference in US elections would be preserved and passed on to as many people as legally possible. Could this be where the incidental collection came from? If it isn't, then what the hell were those guys involved in that they just so happened to have been incidentally spied on for a completely different case?

the alternative would be that the US has a tenth of the institutinality venezuela has and this is actually the result of god knows what... but that seems like a fair stretch. At least until now anyways.
 

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One thing is for sure: Once all the facts lie on the table and Trump is gone, history channel will have hell of a time going through allt he oddities that will be revealed by then.
 

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One thing is for sure: Once all the facts lie on the table and Trump is gone, history channel will have hell of a time going through allt he oddities that will be revealed by then.
Well, at some point there will definitely be some interesting material to read and watch. Unfortunately once it goes through history channel's lenses the conclusion will be orange illuminati socialist aliens lizards from mars.
 

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Well, at some point there will definitely be some interesting material to read and watch. Unfortunately once it goes through history channel's lenses the conclusion will be orange illuminati socialist aliens lizards from mars.
If nothing else, if america gets through the Trump era mostly unscathed (except for the obvious horrors like healthcare cuts and screwed up foreign relations), it is a testament to your checks and balances working properly.
 

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If nothing else, if america gets through the Trump era mostly unscathed (except for the obvious horrors like healthcare cuts and screwed up foreign relations), it is a testament to your checks and balances working properly.
Unless you are among the people who think trump is having trouble getting things done because of obama.... I don't think the number of people who think that is that small tbh.
 

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A country without it's own currency manipulating it's currency? Now that is something lol....The guy should at least do a better job explaining what he is talking about.
How can a person who speaks with authority on so many things he at BEST has a cursory knowledge/impression of do that?

They are elected by states afaik. Each state has like 2 senators. They run for election in every 4 years. So there are 100 senators. Democrats have to defend tough states at places like Indiana and some other red states.
No, Senatorial terms are 6 years. Elections are staggered among three groups so that a third of the 100 seats are up for election every 2 years. This is compared to members of Congress who must run every 2 years.
 

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How can a person who speaks with authority on so many things he at BEST has a cursory knowledge/impression of do that?


No, Senatorial terms are 6 years. Elections are staggered among three groups so that a third of the 100 seats are up for election every 2 years. This is compared to members of Congress who must run every 2 years.
Hmm...democrats aren't expected to pick up any seat in the senate though, they might lose a few.
 
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