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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #32 - BOTH WAYS OF VOTING!

The poll for issue #32 is now open HERE!

Alongside the release of Ghost Reaper Girl, the extra series besides these two releases are:

-Jigokuraku 104
-Kaiju No.8 2


Good Votes!
 
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Haikyuu!! (Cover & LCP)
Jujutsu Kaisen
Mashle
Me and Roboco (CP)
Chainsaw Man
Magu-chan: God of Desctruction
Dr. Stone (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai (Extended Chapter)
Mission: Yozakura Family
Moriking (CP)
Undead Unluck (Extended Chapter)
Act-Age
Ayakashi Triangle
We Never Learn
Black Clover
Time Paradox Ghostwriter
Agravity Boys
Hachinin Ninja no Saishuu Shiken (One-shot)
Bone Collection
Mitama Security

Issue #33-34
Cover & LCP: One Piece
CP: Haikyuu!!, Mashle, Gin Iro no Seven (One-shot), KochiKame (One-shot)
Extended Chapter: Me and Roboco


 
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Even from 30 million and up it would be a nice numer for My Hero, it is the same manga figure as Reborn or Nanatsu

While for Black Clover the 20 million I think is the maximum aspirable.
Honestly, at this point I can't see it going past 15 million, unless it goes for a really longe time. For comparison, Black Clover hit 9 million with the release of volume 21 in July last year and hit 10 million with the release of volume 23 in January this year. It should hit 11 million with volume 26, but that's a considerable gap between volumes and it just shows Black Clover's downwards trend.
 

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I always knew Mashle could do it. That’s my boy!

So lately, something about Bone Collection has been bothering me. Now that Tamura has returned to the magazine, I think I’ve realized what it is.

Bone Collection is ugly. Without hesitation I’d say it’s the ugliest manga in the magazine right now. I hope the artist improves. There’s nothing wrong with having a different art style but not only does Bone Collection feel mediocre, but the character designs and art just feel so poor...
 

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How many copies did Yozakura and Undead sell this month?
 

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Honestly, at this point I can't see it going past 15 million, unless it goes for a really longe time. For comparison, Black Clover hit 9 million with the release of volume 21 in July last year and hit 10 million with the release of volume 23 in January this year. It should hit 11 million with volume 26, but that's a considerable gap between volumes and it just shows Black Clover's downwards trend.
Ouch, in this volume we will see if the anime postponement affected the sales?
 

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It depends on how long the manga will last of course.

If, for example, it will last another 2-3 years, it could perhaps reach 20 million.
 

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Ouch, in this volume we will see if the anime postponement affected the sales?
If the sales decrease, it still won't make it certain that the anime's break had an influence, unless we see an increase in sales with volume 26.

It depends on how long the manga will last of course.

If, for example, it will last another 2-3 years, it could perhaps reach 20 million.
It hasn't even managed to add 2 million in circulation after an entire year. There's no way it can hit 20 million in that short amount of time.
 

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Honestly, at this point I can't see it going past 15 million, unless it goes for a really longe time. For comparison, Black Clover hit 9 million with the release of volume 21 in July last year and hit 10 million with the release of volume 23 in January this year. It should hit 11 million with volume 26, but that's a considerable gap between volumes and it just shows Black Clover's downwards trend.
A thought just occurred to me: do you think if BC just ended after the Demon arc, it would’ve gotten more sales than we have right now, at a slightly higher number? One of the reasons why KNY blew up the way it did is because the series was about to end. And BC had less volume count at that point.
 

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A thought just occurred to me: do you think if BC just ended after the Demon arc, it would’ve gotten more sales than we have right now, at a slightly higher number? One of the reasons why KNY blew up the way it did is because the series was about to end. And BC had less volume count at that point.
Probably not. Black Clover was already decreasing in sales when the Reincarnation Arc finished.
 

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A thought just occurred to me: do you think if BC just ended after the Demon arc, it would’ve gotten more sales than we have right now, at a slightly higher number? One of the reasons why KNY blew up the way it did is because the series was about to end. And BC had less volume count at that point.
This is a complete headcanon lol, who exactly is to say KNY blew up like that because it was ending? There is literally no proof of it whatsoever.

Also, BC won't reach 20mln by the end, not even if it runs for another 5 or 6 years at this point. And MHA's peak was never anywhere near high enough to allow it to get close to 100mln without running for an insane amount of time.
 

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If it is true that My Hero increases by one million for each volume, experience that will probably reach 40 volumes could very well reach 40k copies in the end.


Also, BC won't reach 20mln by the end, not even if it runs for another 5 or 6 years at this point
But wasn't it supposed to last another 15 years? XD
 

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This is a complete headcanon lol, who exactly is to say KNY blew up like that because it was ending? There is literally no proof of it whatsoever.

Also, BC won't reach 20mln by the end, not even if it runs for another 5 or 6 years at this point. And MHA's peak was never anywhere near high enough to allow it to get close to 100mln without running for an insane amount of time.
He said one of the reasons not the only reason lol. Of course KnY blew up for many reasons and that's one of them.

A thought just occurred to me: do you think if BC just ended after the Demon arc, it would’ve gotten more sales than we have right now, at a slightly higher number? One of the reasons why KNY blew up the way it did is because the series was about to end. And BC had less volume count at that point.
I dunno, bc for some reason doesn't appeal to Japanese folks, I mean, it doesn't even have that many fan arts or something that it can tell you, this has an established fanbase. You can only say that to the western fandom who always bring amazing colorings of the manga every week
 

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I dunno, bc for some reason doesn't appeal to Japanese folks, I mean, it doesn't even have that many fan arts or something that it can tell you, this has an established fanbase. You can only say that to the western fandom who always bring amazing colorings of the manga every week
Honestly if it wasn't really liked by the Japanese, they probably would have axed it years ago.
 

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The bizarre thing with MHA is how they don't include overseas despite doing so for other series like TPN. I'd understand if they weren't impressive figures but by all means they should be so I don't get this approach.

He said one of the reasons not the only reason lol. Of course KnY blew up for many reasons and that's one of them.
Semantics, the point is the same. We don't actually know the reasons KNY blew up and considering series don't normally get a particular boost when they're ending I don't see why this reason gets tossed around so much for KNY. Unless you have a significant sample size of people saying "I got into it because it was ending" it's just a complete headcanon that doesn't find much justification in reality; series don't normally sell more because they're ending.
 

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I would leave Kimetsu alone, it is something never seen before.

To think that the Jump continues Black Clover because of its success abroad is laughable for me, evidently they think that the following it has at home is enough.


Of course though, if Masle ends up seeing more of him despite having the same story as a base, there will be laughter.
 

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It’s a bit of a shame though. If this stays until the end, then I don’t think we’ll ever see it cracking the hallowed pantheon of the 100M club.... At best, it’ll reach 50-52M depending on how long it lasts. Which is a number most manga would kill to have, but underwhelming for a series of its stature.

If we want to add global sales, it should be at 32-37M right? I forgot what number Viz’s numbers were last year (I know Viz isn’t “global”, but at least it’s a good measuring stick given what little resources we have).
Viz did say that it has 5 million copies in print:

So MHA's worldwide numbers are at least 32 million.
 

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Honestly if it wasn't really liked by the Japanese, they probably would have axed it years ago.
But overall isnt the anime more profitable than the manga, and that's why the manga continues because it needs more content to adapt?

The bizarre thing with MHA is how they don't include overseas despite doing so for other series like TPN. I'd understand if they weren't impressive figures but by all means they should be so I don't get this approach.


Semantics, the point is the same. We don't actually know the reasons KNY blew up and considering series don't normally get a particular boost when they're ending I don't see why this reason gets tossed around so much for KNY. Unless you have a significant sample size of people saying "I got into it because it was ending" it's just a complete headcanon that doesn't find much justification in reality; series don't normally sell more because they're ending.
Fugg, now I'm aware that many ppl didn't even know it was ending, they just went with the flow and that's it.

Right, makes sense.
 

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But overall isnt the anime more profitable than the manga, and that's why the manga continues because it needs more content to adapt?
I don't know, has this ever happened before?
 

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Viz did say that it has 5 million copies in print:

So MHA's worldwide numbers are at least 32 million.
Considering the french numbers are supposedly around 2.5mln IIRC, the total is probably around 36mln WW (although we won't ever really know until they reveal them). The fact that they don't just use the worldwide number like they do for TPN instead of the japanese one is something that I find quite puzzling.
 

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I always knew Mashle could do it. That’s my boy!

So lately, something about Bone Collection has been bothering me. Now that Tamura has returned to the magazine, I think I’ve realized what it is.

Bone Collection is ugly. Without hesitation I’d say it’s the ugliest manga in the magazine right now. I hope the artist improves. There’s nothing wrong with having a different art style but not only does Bone Collection feel mediocre, but the character designs and art just feel so poor...
Same, it bothered me too. I'll be honest, I dropped Bone Collection because of the art. The manga is quite boring for me, and the art doesn't help it. Only good chapter for me was chapter 2 because of the brother but that is it. If the art ever gets better, I may pick it up again.
 

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Unless the art will magically improve over the years like Yumetamago did for Kinnikuman's run (Lets be honest, the art style pre-Dream Tag Tournament Arc did not age well), then I can't say Bone Collection's art style is enjoyable.
 
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