I feel like the numerical bar for success has gotten lower because a lot of the newer series have just been selling less than the old. Though I don't think the way Jump does things have changed. S8 and RxL were declining by the volume, so they were cancelled. And yeah, I agree that the only reason there's a lot of new series that seem to stick around is because WSJ badly needs new hits. A lot of the manga pre TPGW might've been already cancelled if WSJ had more established series.
Yeah, the highest selling Champion manga right now is only doing slightly better numbers than We Never Learn. Remove the long running Conan from Sunday (and maybe Zettai Karen Children?), and I'm pretty sure Chainsaw Man has already outsold the magazine's entire lineup. Same with Magazine, barring Ace of Diamond Act II. It's crazy. Manga getting to six figures in other magazines I treat as an accomplishment. Here? It's just nice to see it grow. Kind of expected, though.
God, people keep using Robot x Laserbeam or Samurai 8 like the sole mention of these series could explain the origin of the universe, want to make a point? "RoBOt aNd SaMuRaI 8 wErE aXEd" but ofc, just forget the context behind these 2 cases.
Shokugeki didn't drop drastically, it was a slow and steady decline, much like the one Black Clover is showing. Not to mention Black Clover had numbers way smaller than Shokugeki's for a really long time. If volume 25 sells short of volume 24 then it probably won't cross 200,000 before November.
Most recent volumes for each series.
22. Shokugeki no Souma #31 (27,739 / 265,804)
Its decline started way before that. Also, Kimetsu no Yaiba taking over the top 50 just means we don't get to see Black Clover's numbers, not that it makes Black Clover sell less. However, what we have seen just shows that Black Clover is declining and it needs to hit a plateau quickly. The circulation numbers have barely increased in a year and we barely hear of any reprints. Jujutsu Kaisen has already surpassed it, Chainsaw Man is pretty much on par with it and Dr. Stone is slowly catching up. It's being left behind and should Act-Age catch up to it, it would leave the series in a pretty awkward spot.
Why are you focusing on those 3 volumes when shokugeki had been dropping for years before then?
The "decline" you're talking about is the same "decline" that every long running series who reach their climax in sales faces sooner or later, the decline that i was talking was the one when a series faces backlash by it's own readers fanbase and start to drop in sales and overral perception, BC isn't facing this, also it's a series with over 5 years of serialization, pointing out that series with 2 years at most are growing in their most prolific time and reaching it doesn't make Black Clover embarrassing at all, this is just the "comparing who has the biggest thing" i talked about, and honestly, it just sounds like you're letting your personal view of the series get mixed in your comments since you're just throwing series out of nowhere in order to make BC looks bad.
Damn, you had the bravery to post all of this and still miss the entire point of the discussion? Props to you. Also, the Last Jedi and the Terminator: Dark Fate are both written solely by a males and the rest is written by a joint effort of males and females, with the exception of She-Ra.
And what is my personal view of the series? Please, enlighten me.
Taking in count that every time you mention this series is in a negative way saying chapter was boring, i don't like this, i don't like that, it doesn't seem much positive to me, so you go and i don't know why, throw a bunch of series to say "look, this series is reaching it sales or is probably going to do, it's looking awkward to BC", it doesn't give any positive vibe at all, which i don't have a problem, it's your personal opinion if you're not liking the current arc, but this "look at my chart" thing is just like i said, comparing who has the biggest thing as if it's all of what matters in the end.
I don't have a problem understanding anything, I didn't even bother joining the BC discussion aside from correcting you on the fact that soma did indeed have a slow and steady drop for years. Maybe you missed that?
The comment was about you asking why i only posted that 3 Souma volumes when it was quite obvious that i was talking about the drastic drop in sales from Souma due to the backlash of blue arc, it wasn't about BC.
Yeah, sure. I mean it's not like I was huge Black Clover fan for a big portion of its run and my interest in the series just started to dim. And I don't actively comment on Black Clover chapters, I only do when I expect something out of them. Also, maybe I know when to separate my personal opinions and just showing facts. If I wanted to make Black Clover look bad, I could word my posts in a much different way but I don't because I have no strong feelings against the series and that wouldn't be the point.
What matters in the end is the percental decline and not the actual numbers. A decline of nearly 100k sales matters far less for a series that sells 600-700k than for a series like BC that only sold 250k at its peak. In BCs case, it lost nearly 40% of its sales in the first month compared to its peak. For a series that sells 700k, it would only be 14.3%, for a series selling 600k it would be 16.7%, both being far below 40%. Not forgetting to mention that BC has a long running anime, while most other Jump manga have seasonal anime, so their sales usually get at least a small boost again once they get another season.
It seems just like Yadayada you got things completely wrong from the comment, i was never talking about western but the japanese readers when it comes to sales, backlash and stuff lol
