Weekly Shonen Jump #26 (2023) Sakamoto Days (Cover, Lead Color Pages)
Mission: Yozakura Family
Jujutsu Kaisen Blue Box (Color Page) Do Retry
Witch Watch Kill Blue Kimi to Gyoza to Alien (One Shot by Okada Chikara, Color Page) Fabricant 100 (Color Page) Nue's Exorcist
Akane Banashi
Undead Unluck Tenmaku Cinema
Mashle
The Elusive Samurai
Me & Roboco
The Ichinose Family's Deadly Sins
Black Clover
Cipher Academy One Piece (Absent)
My Hero Academia (Absent)
Weekly Shonen Jump #27 (2023) - Information
Witch Watch (Cover, Lead Color Pages, Popularity Contest Results)
Mashle (Color Page)
Me & Roboco (Color Page)
One Shot (Color Page)
Black Clover (Absent)
Jujutsu Kaisen (Absent)
I think Goto gets a lot of unnecessary flack, people always say Matsuura should get a better writer, but I personally found Iori really fun and interesting as a main character, and I think they handled him being a prodigy really well without making the fights boring. Also during its last arc I thought he had some real cool ideas and if gotten room to let the story breathe he could have really fleshed them out.
So I personally hope to see them work together again in a full series and fingers crossed for it possibly happening this year.
I agree I do think Goto does have talent, it just needs some focus, and the last arc of Phantom Seer is the thing that I was glad that I got. I want to see them again but I hope what Goto learned from Phantom Seer and apply that to their next series.
That Komi one shot would make a pretty good series. Is it common for a year old one shot to get a VComic? Seems kind of random if its not setting up Komi’s return.
That Komi one shot would make a pretty good series. Is it common for a year old one shot to get a VComic? Seems kind of random if its not setting up Komi’s return.
Sorachi's 13 got one a few months ago (published in 2008). This was back when people were anticipating a romcom from a veteran so that really fueled speculation but it didn't lead to anything
That Komi one shot would make a pretty good series. Is it common for a year old one shot to get a VComic? Seems kind of random if its not setting up Komi’s return.
Probably because of the new Nisekoi edition, the "13" vomic from Sorachi was posted because of the last Gintama event, but it could also be a sign of serialization, Sakamoto Days started shortly after the one shot vomic was posted on YT.
Probably because of the new Nisekoi edition, the "13" vomic from Sorachi was posted because of the last Gintama event, but it could also be a sign of serialization, Sakamoto Days started shortly after the one shot vomic was posted on YT.
Wouldn't it be something if the next serialization round was another batch of 4, but this time we had both Komi and Sorachi? I mean it happened the last two times with Taizen and Nisoisn, and Tsukuda & Saeki and Fujimaki.
Wouldn't it be something if the next serialization round was another batch of 4, but this time we had both Komi and Sorachi? I mean it happened the last two times with Taizen and Nisoisn, and Tsukuda & Saeki and Fujimaki.
Would be cool, but both series are a mix of romcom with other genre, and we still have Blue Box, so i think it would be a waste having 2 big authors doing similar type of series and potentially killing one or the other
Would be cool, but both series are a mix of romcom with other genre, and we still have Blue Box, so i think it would be a waste having 2 big authors doing similar type of series and potentially killing one or the other
Everything you've said is correct. Phantom Seer did dip toward the bottom before that arc. High School Family is estimated at 3K with its first volume (on Shoseki, the exact numbers are likely closer to 5.5-6K). It would be outlandish to think High School Family would ever rise above 20K. My speculation was written with all of that in mind.
Phantom Seer had terrible TOC ranks, showed signs of an impending decline, and (seemingly) did not have much longevity. Meanwhile, High School Family had acceptable TOC ranks, had few signs of decline, and could run for 5, 10, or 2000 volumes depending on what the future held. One may have seemed to be a better investment than the other, even if it sold 3-4 times less.
Weekly Shonen Jump is not solely a numbers game. The editorial does not robotically axe the lowest-selling work. And the difference between what Phantom Seer and High School Family may have earned in their lifetime doesn't even compare to one volume of Mashle. The manga that sell 20K tend to survive because they tend to be well-received, not because WSJ is desperate for 20K-sellers. There is a lot more that goes into a young manga's success than Oricon numbers.
If you want to go into why HBC&D or Magu-chan ended before HSF, that's an entirely separate discussion, also with reasonable answers. But at the same time, I'm not trying to explain why Phantom Seer was axed instead of HSF, I'm just providing evidence for a timeline that explains why Phantom Seer was axed at all.
Eh, I'm not sure whether I agree with these points:
1. In regards to the ToC, I think that pointing to the TOC is self-circumferential. At the end of the day, Jump editorial is who decides the rankings as seen in the latest TOC where Black Clover and Mashle are ranked at the bottom. I don't think reader surveys in this case are the sole driver between the low ToC rankings that Phantom Seer had. The ToC rankings historically are pretty well correlated with sales. Just off the current series alone you can see a clear stratification of the rankings based on the sales on sales.
Here's the ranking of the series since the year started:
There's a clear correlation between the overall rankings/likely reader surveys and the volume sales. The top 4 sell between 2 million to 100k units. The next 4 (with the exception of Roboco whose position is clearly due to editorial pushing) sell from 100k to 55k. From Undead Unluck down it sells in the 80k to 40k. With the exception of Black Clover, the next 4 sell from 40k to 15k. The very bottom of the chart is full of series that consistently sold 10k or less (with the exception of PPPPP). It’s not a perfect one to one of course, but that can be explained by editorial decisions based on factors such as a series in decline (Black Clover which has been declining in sales consistently since volume 15 and it in its final arc and so unlikely to grow any more popular), a series that stays on hiatus for several years (HxH), vs a series that is selling less but still growing (WW and Akane) and well even then you typically don’t see series really cross those TOC ranges. You for instance don’t see a 6k in top for instance (with the exception of HSF).
It's hard to think that there was such a discrepancy between the reader surveys and the sales such as for Phantom Seer. It’s TOC positions feel like they were more likely due to editorial pushing.
2. As for sales, I don't really buy that stagnating sales are the reason for it either. Considering that the same editorial team was fine with the stagnant sales for HSF for 2 years. It’s hard to believe that they would care about stagnant sales for one series and cancel that within in a year but not care about the stagnant sales of a series that sells several times less but still keep it for several years. Phantom Seer was being pushed to the bottom of the TOC rankings even before the 2nd volume was even released.
3. I'm also not sure that longetivity actually works as an argument. Phantom Seer was already at the bottom even before the fight with the final villain. In addition, it's also not like fighting the expected final villain early is that unusual in Jump either. Shigaraki invaded UA on chapter 14 in MHA. Yuuji and Sukuna was killed in chapter 9 for JJK. Train fought and defeated Creed in chapter 16 in Black Cat. And well, these are all stories to begin with. There's really nothing that prevents the authors from introducing a villain after the current one was defeated (like here's the character who even Shudonji feared/freed her) considering the number of series that did not even introduce a major villain till over dozens of chapters in (Orochimaru for instance only came in during the chunin exams which started at chapter 32), Bleach only introduced soul society over 50 chapters in, while Grand Fisher only appeared in the 20’s. Shigaraki's invasion only started in issue 14.
In general, I find the idea = unlikely that Jump would actually care that much about having a long running series to the point that they would choose to keep a series that has no real indications of popularity vs well the editorial team just having a bias towards gags.
You bring up other factors that might contribute to a young manga’s success, what do you think those other factors are and do you believe those factors would not be correlated to sales at all? To go off that, do you think HSF actually was successful based on those factors?
My personal opinion is that Phantom Seer was canceled because it wasn’t as big as a success as Shonen Jump was hoping for. The rankings declined at the end of December, which was the 1st month of sales for Phantom Seer #1 and by that time Jump probably got most of its sales data. That combined with Jump editorial just preferring gag series during that time.
Overall, I think it was just them not looking to the overall picture and just a bad decision in general. Akin to how they canceled PPPPPP in issue 13 instead of just giving it 4 extra chapters and ending it several issues later. They only canceled Tokyo Demon Bride in issue 18 and G&G in 19 and only started the new round in issue 19.
If this works, then I hope it increases Black Clover's Manga Sales and toc. Who knows maybe the return of the anime. And currently Pierrot is working on I believe 3 maybe 4 series.
-Puzzle & Dragons
-Bleach TYBW (in cours [thankfully])
-Play it cool, Guys (in seasons)
&
-currently in pre production for Kingdom Season 5 for 2024
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So the idea is there, but I would say that it has enough if Pierrot would adapt the Spade Kingdom Invasion arc and then wait when Tabata finishes the final arc.
I've said what I wanted to say about Phantom Seer already, so I won't comment beyond this, but I think you summarize my point here best. Phantom Seer didn't meet expectations (and, as I wanted to point out originally, likely never would). That "overall picture" is what got Phantom Seer axed. You don't need to say it was "a bad decision", it is simply the way the magazine works.
To answer your other question, "Do you think HSF actually was successful based on [their expectations for it]?", I do. If it hadn't, it would have been axed like every other gag that did not meet expectations. Gags do not generally get special treatment in Jump, so to say the editorial "has a bias towards gags" is transparently false. It's easy to dismiss any decision we don't like or understand as incompetence, but that is not always a good or accurate argument to make.
If this works, then I hope it increases Black Clover's Manga Sales and toc. Who knows maybe the return of the anime. And currently Pierrot is working on I believe 3 maybe 4 series.
-Puzzle & Dragons
-Bleach TYBW (in cours [thankfully])
-Play it cool, Guys (in seasons)
&
-currently in pre production for Kingdom Season 5 for 2024
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So the idea is there, but I would say that it has enough if Pierrot would adapt the Spade Kingdom Invasion arc and then wait when Tabata finishes the final arc.
I do think it was a bad decision to axe at that precisely moment, or at least a dumb decision, they didn't needed to do at that round (Candy Flurry was a flop), could've perfectly just give a extra round for the series to see how sales would go, at worst they would just axe it in the next and have one or two extra volumes of PS that would sell decently well, i think the problem is that we have plenty of recent examples of series that got better treatment while ranking as bad and selling way less which creates a certain "hypocrisy" sentiment.
I do think it was a bad decision to axe at that precisely moment, or at least a dumb decision, they didn't needed to do at that round (Candy Flurry was a flop), could've perfectly just give a extra round for the series to see how sales would go, at worst they would just axe it in the next and have one or two extra volumes of PS that would sell decently well, i think the problem is that we have plenty of recent examples of series that got better treatment while ranking as bad and selling way less which creates a certain "hypocrisy" sentiment.
I mean, Phantom Seer became a bottom-ranker around Chapter 10, like Revenant pointed out. It survived two whole serialization rounds in the bot3. If what you're saying is "they could have let it run an extra batch or two" that's exactly what they did. We know that the TOC ranks matter for low-performing manga like Phantom Seer, and Magu-chan and P6 evidently did better than it on that metric.
I do not buy into the conspiracy that Phantom Seer secretly had super high ranks but the editorial sabotaged it out of spite.
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