Discussion Who Are Your Top 10 Strongest Characters?

[BurlapJack]

How would Ludoshel lose either? Zeldris will lose if he doesn't use ON and his win condition relies on Ludoshel getting pulled in, which was only possible because of his vessel being human.



Sure, as a human vessel where his power is restricted. But as a Goddess, Ludoshel would be capable of resisting ON, his sanctuary is more than enough to fend off against it.



Those numbers are from your ass to be honest. You say that Zeldris would stomp an AA, yet we saw Mael defeat him with little difficulty?

For the other AA, Zeldris at best will achieve a draw. All of them have methods in avoiding ON's pull but are unable to actually harm Zeldris due to the magical immunity he was bestowed with from the Demon King.

It's a battle of stamina to be honest. If Zeldris runs out of magic to supply ON, he loses. Should the AA run out of magic to evade ON, they'll lose.

These numbers are based off of Mel's pl jump against the King's with his mark, check out vs battle wiki nnt for more on it

And mael didn't defeat him easily, literally got chopped in half right after zel blitzed him

Here to put respect on zeldris's name

 

[Orion]

And mael didn't defeat him easily, literally got chopped in half right after zel blitzed him

To be fair, Mael was holding back and only reacted to Zeldris’ attacks, he never moved with the intent to kill.

 

[BurlapJack]

To be fair, Mael was holding back and only reacted to Zeldris’ attacks, he never moved with the intent to kill.

Sure, but that doesn't invalidate the tags he put on mael through out the scuffle

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Replace Mael's personality with estarossa's while having sunshine and he would have destroyed zeldris while laughing

 

[OtakuFreak]

@Aceinthehole

Tarmiel is capable of liquifying himself, completely avoiding ON.

Sariel has a wind barrier to resist ON, although out of all the AA - he seems the most vulnerable.

Ludoshel has flash to keep his distance and sanctuary. His barrier was capable of resisting the pressure of 5 commandments and the power of the Demon King multiple times during the fight when he was in his astral form, about to vanish. Are you going to argue that ON's power is superior to the Demon King?

As for Mael, he completely bypasses ON and the DK's power as we saw, so he has the easiest time.

Zeldris can turn off ON in response to the AA avoiding him, but then it becomes a game of who blinks first where Zeldris is more vulnerable, especially against Ludoshel who can attack him before he can even activate ON again.

@BurlapJack = Don't get me wrong, Zeldris is a very powerful opponent and would make the Four Archangels (excluding Mael) sweat during the fight, but this entire premise of his PL being 200,000+ or something is absolute nonsense when he admitted Cusack was more powerful than him, who was around the 170,000 PL mark.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Without God, Ludo could actually win against him. Zel's weakness when he is using ON is that he can't repel magic attacks. If he doesn't possess God, then Ludoshel can blast magical attacks and hurt him considerably while protecting himself with Sanctuary (a technique that can tank attacks from DK Mel, who's way beyond Zel). Of course, it wouldn't be an easy fight at all, but Ludoshel has chances in this scenario. Sar and Tar would get rekt though. With God, I see Zel winning against all the AA individually except Mael.

Also, @OtakuFreak how in the world is Post-Purgatory Ban below the Sinner? That's some massive disrespect here.

 

[OtakuFreak]

@shadowlordBan is overrated.

Fight me

 

[Shadowlord123]

@shadowlordBan is overrated.

Fight me

How so? Even if he is, putting him below that pony is still massively disrespectful. Same shit for Ludo and Eli. What makes you think that way?

 

[OtakuFreak]

How so? Even if he is, putting him below that pony is still massively disrespectful. Same shit for Ludo and Eli. What makes you think that way?

I put the pony above Eli and Ludo?

That doesn't sound like me at all.

As for Ban, eh, fine he can be put above the pony.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I put the pony above Eli and Ludo?

That doesn't sound like me at all.

As for Ban, eh, fine he can be put above the pony.

No, what I meant was that you put Eli and Ludo above the pony, who in turn was above Ban.

Good, but still he would be below Eli and Ludo according to you? How? I'm interested in knowing why you think so

 

[OtakuFreak]

No, what I meant was that you put Eli and Ludo above the pony, who in turn was above Ban.

Good, but still he would be below Eli and Ludo according to you? How? I'm interested in knowing why you think so

Elizabeth one shots Ban back to fodder

=)

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Good, but still he would be below Eli and Ludo according to you? How? I'm interested in knowing why you think so

I'd place them all on a comparable level.

I place Ludoshel and Elizabeth above because Ban has lost his fountain of youth, so he's much weaker in sustain.

Snatch would work but since the Goddesses are more magic-specialised, it's less effective.

We saw Ban harm the Demon King in Mel's body and defeat Indura but we don't know how powerful they both were.

I'm a biased Goddess fan boy as well, no human shall defeat my angels!

 

[Shadowlord123]

Elizabeth one shots Ban back to fodder

=)

Ban's punches are a little bit stronger and faster than a rock falling or a punch from Derieri. Are you sure your lady is going to be alright? Just saying

I'd place them all on a comparable level.

I place Ludoshel and Elizabeth above because Ban has lost his fountain of youth, so he's much weaker in sustain.

Snatch would work but since the Goddesses are more magic-specialised, it's less effective.

We saw Ban harm the Demon King in Mel's body and defeat Indura but we don't know how powerful they both were.

I'm a biased Goddess fan boy as well, no human shall defeat my angels!

Does he even need Snatch though? Without it, he was already capable of standing up to DK Mel. True, we don't know exactly how strong DK Mel was but we can estimate. Post Noon Mael (who should be stronger than Ludo since he oneshotted the pony Ludo was starting to have trouble with) couldn't do anything against him with the help of a nerfed King and Diane. Meanwhile Ban did a much, much better job than him. Based on that we have that:

DK Mel > Ban > Post-Noon Mael > Ludo = Goddess Eli

Even if you say that Post-Noon Mael was equal to Ludo, Ban is still stronger. Regarding that Indura of Favor, since it was a fully grown one we can assume that it was at the very least comparable to Monspeet and Derieri in their Indura of Favor forms (that were still growing and were comparable to Ludo and Eli) and Ban bullied that thing really hard, so...

Eli has the potential to be above him since she's the daughter of a God, but until the day Nakaba cares about her enough to give her a proper power up and feats, she doesn't have what it takes yet.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Ban's punches are a little bit stronger and faster than a rock falling or a punch from Derieri. Are you sure your lady is going to be alright? Just saying

Rock > Ban

Elizabeth only had a scratch from rock.

As such, Elizabeth > Ban

Does he even need Snatch though? Without it, he was already capable of standing up to DK Mel. True, we don't know exactly how strong DK Mel was but we can estimate. Post Noon Mael (who should be stronger than Ludo since he oneshotted the pony Ludo was starting to have trouble with) couldn't do anything against him with the help of a nerfed King and Diane. Meanwhile Ban did a much, much better job than him. Based on that we have that:

Mael didn't do any damage though since the Demon King had "The Ruler" against his attacks? Plus, Ban waa fighting the Demon King who's power kept fluctuating and when it was on a normal level (the one against Mael), he easily got outmatched.

Even if you say that Post-Noon Mael was equal to Ludo, Ban is still stronger. Regarding that Indura of Favor, since it was a fully grown one we can assume that it was at the very least comparable to Monspeet and Derieri in their Indura of Favor forms (that were still growing and were comparable to Ludo and Eli) and Ban bullied that thing really hard,

Didn't the Indura of Favor get bullied by all of the sins prior to Ban even touching it? He dealt the final blow I believe, it's not like it was a strict 1v1.

Also, Elizabeth had to fight 2 of them at once and was just able to stalemate them and this was after they become more powerful than they were against Ludoshel.

I know they're the same Indura types, but Nakaba really didn't do the one against the sins any justice, plus, was this a fully formed Indura? Or was it able to evolve like Monspiet and Derieri?

It's why I put them on a comparable level, because the feats of these three are on a similiar level of power and quite vague/open to personal intepretation.

Besides my bias, I believe Ban fighting a weakened Demon King & gangbanging a single Indura with 5 other sins isn't enough to put him above Ludoshel and Elizabeth, who fought the Indura's individually and other powerful opponents.

Eli has the potential to be above him since she's the daughter of a God, but until the day Nakaba cares about her enough to give her a proper power up and feats, she doesn't have what it takes yet.

Who knows, perhaps Elizabeth has a "Inner Supreme Deity" power?

 

[Estarossa173]

Something just occurred to me. Since the Demon King is dead, I don’t think zeldris has “God” anymore.

After all, that power is not zeldris’s. The Demon King lent it to him.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Something just occurred to me. Since the Demon King is dead, I don’t think zeldris has “God” anymore.

After all, that power is not zeldris’s. The Demon King lent it to him.

The Demon King took it away either away.

 

[Aceinthehole]

@Aceinthehole

Tarmiel is capable of liquifying himself, completely avoiding ON.

Sariel has a wind barrier to resist ON, although out of all the AA - he seems the most vulnerable.

Ludoshel has flash to keep his distance and sanctuary. His barrier was capable of resisting the pressure of 5 commandments and the power of the Demon King multiple times during the fight when he was in his astral form, about to vanish. Are you going to argue that ON's power is superior to the Demon King?

As for Mael, he completely bypasses ON and the DK's power as we saw, so he has the easiest time.

Zeldris can turn off ON in response to the AA avoiding him, but then it becomes a game of who blinks first where Zeldris is more vulnerable, especially against Ludoshel who can attack him before he can even activate ON again.

@BurlapJack = Don't get me wrong, Zeldris is a very powerful opponent and would make the Four Archangels (excluding Mael) sweat during the fight, but this entire premise of his PL being 200,000+ or something is absolute nonsense when he admitted Cusack was more powerful than him, who was around the 170,000 PL mark.

Liquefying one self isn’t a win condition Tamriel has fighting against zeldris.The moment he gets out of that he’s screwed. You are stating every other archangel has a chance of defeating god magic zeldris when I don’t see it happening. Being able to avoid him for a bit isn’t enough for them to beat him straight up. The archangels would have to exhaust magic to maintain their defensive stance, while zeldris just turns off ominous nebula to wait. Sarmiel and Tamriel stands little no chance of winning, since none of their magic will work against zeldris. Same thing with ludoshel simply hiding in sanctuary. I’m not sure if ludoshel can attack while shielding himself.

also ominous nebula being more powerful than some of the dk attacks aren’t out of the blue.The dk wasn’t even in full power in meliodas body, plus those attacks might not even be his strongest. So just because ominous nebula is stronger than some of the dk attack, doesn’t mean he is stronger than the dk himself. I don’t see why people think every single attack the dk throws out is going to be stronger than ominous nebula. Especially granted that he’s not even full power

we saw how escanor who was dk level in strength took a while to destroy ominous nebula. He couldn’t destroy it instantly, while sanctuary tanked attacks from a not fully assimilated dk in meliodas body

only archangel who can win against god magic zeldris is mael

 

[Shadowlord123]

Mael didn't do any damage though since the Demon King had "The Ruler" against his attacks? Plus, Ban waa fighting the Demon King who's power kept fluctuating and when it was on a normal level (the one against Mael), he easily got outmatched.

The Ruler only works for magical attacks though. What Mael did against the DK were physical attacks and it was useless. He, along with the help of a nerfed King and Diane were unable to even bypass the DK's defense and got easily repelled, showing the difference between them.

Not even comparable with Ban's performance. Even before Mel came and started to fuck the DK from the inside, Ban was doing a pretty good job. He was dodging all of his attacks and even bypassing his defenses, hitting and damaging him. He was beneath him obviously, but the gap between them wasn't nowhere near as great as the one between the DK and Mael.

Didn't the Indura of Favor get bullied by all of the sins prior to Ban even touching it? He dealt the final blow I believe, it's not like it was a strict 1v1.

Also, Elizabeth had to fight 2 of them at once and was just able to stalemate them and this was after they become more powerful than they were against Ludoshel.

I know they're the same Indura types, but Nakaba really didn't do the one against the sins any justice, plus, was this a fully formed Indura? Or was it able to evolve like Monspiet and Derieri?

It's why I put them on a comparable level, because the feats of these three are on a similiar level of power and quite vague/open to personal intepretation.

Besides my bias, I believe Ban fighting a weakened Demon King & gangbanging a single Indura with 5 other sins isn't enough to put him above Ludoshel and Elizabeth, who fought the Indura's individually and other powerful opponents.

No, you're quite right. The other Sins also helped, but even so Ban and King were clearly shown to be considerably superior to that Indura. They were the only ones that actually had countermeasures against all of the Indura's attacks (like for example that massive Indura widespread).

Also, it may be my own headcannon but that Indura of Favor looked like a fully grown one. Its size was much more massive and looked more monstruous. We can deduce that the dude who transformed into that Indura held that state for much more time than Monspeet and Derieri's (not even during 2 chapters).

Either way, their feats don't look comparable at all to me.

On the one hand we have Ban who fought a nerfed DK pretty much toe to toe, tanked and reacted to his attacks head on and damaged him. Even if the DK was nerfed, both Ludo and Mael couldn't believe that there was somebody who could fight the DK head on like this (aside from the SD I suppose). After that, he stopped that massive baby Indura widespread and bullied that monster with his ST. Moreover, he fought Prime DK head on and tanked some of his attacks and doing some damage to him without being completely fodderized. It should be worth noting that all these feats are without using Hunter Fest and other Snatch abilities.

On the other hand we have Ludo who got overwhelmed by a single Indura of Favor and Eli who could hold her own against two with Let There Be Light but would have been overwhelmed in the long run. Ludo was sweating mad hard the moment nerfed DK Mel popped out as well as Mael. While it's true that they have done some impressive things (like blocking one attack from DK Mel and oneshotting that Pony), it doesn't seem to be enough.

I'm sorry but I don't see how Ludo or Eli compare to Ban when it comes to feats. IMO, Ban should be on the exact same spot as King as both of them have shown feats that put them comfortably above AA tier (with maybe the exception of Noon Mael if you give him some hype).

Who knows, perhaps Elizabeth has a "Inner Supreme Deity" power?

I hope that if she ends up having a power like this it is related to her amazing skills at instantly making demon armies to surrender and go away. Maybe some God Tier brainwashing could work? It could have something to do with that ability to travel to the past too. Idk, the potential is there, it all depends if Nakaba decides to do something more with her besides being a Damsel in Distress.

 

[TragicDeaf]

As of now:
1.) Meliodas DK
2.) Demon King
3.) Escanor (beyond one mode)
4.) Ban
5.) King

At the end of the day:
1.) Estarossa = Elizabeth
2.) Meliodas DK = Supreme Deity, Father of Chaos, demon king
3.) Merlin
4.) Ban
5.) King

 

[Samael Morningstar]

As of now:
1.) Meliodas DK
2.) Demon King
3.) Escanor (beyond one mode)
4.) Ban
5.) King

At the end of the day:
1.) Estarossa = Elizabeth
2.) Meliodas DK = Supreme Deity, Father of Chaos, demon king
3.) Merlin
4.) Ban
5.) King

Estarossa is the absolute strongest of all, it was said that when the man awakens from his dreams the nightmare begins, and guess what after Estarossa's awakening the manga became an absolute nightmare, so yes Estarossa is boundless, goes out of all levels of narrative and is affecting the real world, that's far beyond anything any fictional character ever did lmao

 

[TarXan]

Zeldris stomping an AA ?

I really fucking double that, at most he can stalemate Sariel and Tarmiel

Mael and Ludociel are literally Mel tier