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You fully agree with arjuna? So you are saying that you also believe that what Zel said about Mel’s behavior is invalid?
Not with that part. The point was not about Mel at that time. What Zeldoris meant was that Mel fighting seriously could defeat Escanor. But he has a bad habit of toying with his opponents. Zel states it as this was the only reason Mel lost. In a situation like that, it's not like Zeldoris wanted to explain the power and actions of his brother. Nakaba should also skip that part if this was just an irrelevant overhyping.
The point is that Zel also clearly boasting about himself. My brother was toying with you, but I'm serious. What do you think such an statement in such a situation could mean?
Considering it as a mere explanation on Mel's habit without any connection to Zeldoris situation at that time is an act of ignorance imo. We should at least consider that possiblity, which is in fact the most obvious one.
 

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You fully agree with arjuna? So you are saying that you also believe that what Zel said about Mel’s behavior is invalid?
Mind it i never meant Zel was lying about Mel was playing around

He thinks that if he didn't play he would win which i believe is wrong in my opinion.
 

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Mind it i never meant Zel was lying about Mel was playing around

He thinks that if he didn't play he would win which i believe is wrong in my opinion.
Oh sorry, I forgot that you also didn't mentioned Meliodas directly in your post. In this case, I should add this to my answer. :smile-big
You fully agree with arjuna? So you are saying that you also believe that what Zel said about Mel’s behavior is invalid?
Rereading his posts, I didn't get the impression that @Arjuna was saying that too. :hmm
 

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Not with that part. The point was not about Mel at that time. What Zeldoris meant was that Mel fighting seriously could defeat Escanor. But he has a bad habit of toying with his opponents. Zel states it as this was the only reason Mel lost. In a situation like that, it's not like Zeldoris wanted to explain the power and actions of his brother. Nakaba should also skip that part if this was just an irrelevant overhyping.
The point is that Zel also clearly boasting about himself. My brother was toying with you, but I'm serious. What do you think such an statement in such a situation could mean?
Considering it as a mere explanation on Mel's habit without any connection to Zeldoris situation at that time is an act of ignorance imo. We should at least consider that possiblity, which is in fact the most obvious one.
I’m not sure I quite understand why you say “nakaba should skip it it.”

I am afraid I do not quite understand what you are trying to say. Is it that zels statements hold no value? Is it that mel was incapable of beating escanor? If you may, as succinct as possible, what do you wish to express?
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Mind it i never meant Zel was lying about Mel was playing around

He thinks that if he didn't play he would win which i believe is wrong in my opinion.
I see. Well, for starters, I don’t believe that there is much need to debate that Mel could have killed escanor at anytime before noon is there? So from that standpoint, zel implying that Mel could have won if he didn’t play around isn’t wrong is it? What stopped Mel from punching a hole through escanors chest at the get go or anytime before noon was Mel himself no? But I believe you maybe specifically referring to the one vs Mel, as that is the one zel was speaking to, correct?

My concern was this statement you had made:

I don't take Zeldris statement seriously

1)He himself wasn't present there.

2) Obviously bias played a part in his statement.
As you have just reaffirmed to me, you said that Zels implying that Mel would win if he had taken escanor seriously is false. Mel vs escanor showed that this was near unquestionably true until it hit noon. You say that zels statement isn’t true and give reason based on zels situation. However this is an issue concerning Mel and escanor. As such, you have to go and look at those two and not just zel.

You don’t make a judgement regarding a situation off of hearsay when you are a witness of that situation and thus able to assess the hearsay. There’s no logic in that right? If I was there to see a fight and then heard testimony regarding the fight, my being a witness allows me a first hand understanding of the validity of the testimony. I believe this to be a rehash of what I had told you in my original response to that post: “Even if zel wasn’t there, you were...”

So on what grounds do you say that Zels implication that mel could win, had he not played around, is false? At best you could say that it remains to be seen for the reasons you have stated, not a witness and bias, but the fact that Zels reason is something you have no choice but to affirm, to render a guilty verdict is premature don’t you think?
 

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I’m not sure I quite understand why you say “nakaba should skip it it.”

I am afraid I do not quite understand what you are trying to say. Is it that zels statements hold no value? Is it that mel was incapable of beating escanor? If you may, as succinct as possible, what do you wish to express?
At first I need to ask you one question. Can you include someone's name in a statement which is not about that specific individaul?

What I understand from Zeldoris dialogue with Escanor is that Zel is indirectly telling him "you can't defeat me." It's not all about Meliodas even if it includes his name.

Here is the dialogues restated, something like this:
+ You brothers are badly willing to get your asses kicked by me.
- So you defeated Meliodas. He has always been too strong which led him to develop a bad habbit of toying with his opponents. But unlike him, I fight with everything I have regardless of the opponent.
It's how we perceive the conversation. It's not focusing on Mel if you look at it in this way. It's boasting and bragging about the individual who is saying the words himself, in this case Zeldoris.
 
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I’m not sure I quite understand why you say “nakaba should skip it it.”

I am afraid I do not quite understand what you are trying to say. Is it that zels statements hold no value? Is it that mel was incapable of beating escanor? If you may, as succinct as possible, what do you wish to express?
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I see. Well, for starters, I don’t believe that there is much need to debate that Mel could have killed escanor at anytime before noon is there? So from that standpoint, zel implying that Mel could have won if he didn’t play around isn’t wrong is it? What stopped Mel from punching a hole through escanors chest at the get go or anytime before noon was Mel himself no? But I believe you maybe specifically referring to the one vs Mel, as that is the one zel was speaking to, correct?

My concern was this statement you had made:



As you have just reaffirmed to me, you said that Zels implying that Mel would win if he had taken escanor seriously is false. Mel vs escanor showed that this was near unquestionably true until it hit noon. You say that zels statement isn’t true and give reason based on zels situation. However this is an issue concerning Mel and escanor. As such, you have to go and look at those two and not just zel.

You don’t make a judgement regarding a situation off of hearsay when you are a witness of that situation and thus able to assess the hearsay. There’s no logic in that right? If I was there to see a fight and then heard testimony regarding the fight, my being a witness allows me a first hand understanding of the validity of the testimony. I believe this to be a rehash of what I had told you in my original response to that post: “Even if zel wasn’t there, you were...”

So on what grounds do you say that Zels implication that mel could win, had he not played around, is false? At best you could say that it remains to be seen for the reasons you have stated, not a witness and bias, but the fact that Zels reason is something you have no choice but to affirm, to render a guilty verdict is premature don’t you think?
Mind it when I said Mel can't beat Escanor specifically I meant "One Escanor".
 

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At first I need to ask you one question. Can you include someone's name in a statement which is not about that specific individaul?

What I understand from Zeldoris dialogue with Escanor is that Zel is indirectly telling him "you can't defeat me." It's not all about Meliodas even if it includes his name.

Here is the dialogues restated, something like this:
+ You brothers are badly willing to get your asses kicked by me.
- So you defeated Meliodas. He has always too strong which lead him to develop a bad habbit of toying with his opponents. But unlike him, I fight with everything I have regardless of the opponent.
It's how we perceive the conversation. It's not focusing on Mel if you look at it in this way. It's boasting and bragging about the individual who is saying the words himself, in this case Zeldoris.
That’s just a matter of what part of a dialogue you are analyzing. There is always a subject. What zels dialogue winded down to was “be prepared to lose to my best.” Yes that was the general idea of zels comment. So I see what part you are referring to.
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Mind it when I said Mel can't beat Escanor specifically I meant "One Escanor".
Yes I can understand that. In which case I recall my last paragraph. The possibility that Mel could have won if he had taken the one seriously is one to consider because of the reality that Mel did not, in fact, take him seriously. Do you accept this notion?
 

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That’s just a matter of what part of a dialogue you are analyzing. There is always a subject. What zels dialogue winded down to was “be prepared to lose to my best.” Yes that was the general idea of zels comment. So I see what part you are referring to.
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Yes I can understand that. In which case I recall my last paragraph. The possibility that Mel could have won if he had taken the one seriously is one to consider because of the reality that Mel did not, in fact, take him seriously. Do you accept this notion?
Doubtful about that

Escanor nearly chopped him in half with a single swipe of his hand.

Maybe if Meliodas took it seriously Escanor would have probably need more than a single one shot,a little bit of effort more.

But I can see your point.
 

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Doubtful about that

Escanor literally chopped him in half with a single shot

Maybe if Meliodas took it seriously Escanor would have probably need more than a single one shot,a little bit of effort more.

But I can see your point.
I would say a punch
 

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Doubtful about that

Escanor nearly chopped him in half with a single swipe of his hand.

Maybe if Meliodas took it seriously Escanor would have probably need more than a single one shot,a little bit of effort more.

But I can see your point.
Yea just a possibility. I do take into consideration that the Mel that fought escanor was questionable because of his lack of memories and division though. But so is the extent of “the ones” capabilities so there’s that.
 
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Yea just a possibility. I do take into consideration that the Mel that fought escanor was questionable because of his lack of memories and division though. But so is the extent of “the ones” capabilities so there’s that.
Yeah you are right in that way.
 

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Nah, i'd say the The One would have still oneshot full powered, serious AM Meliodas with Divine Sword, his durability shouldnt be drastically affected by how serious he was. However if Mel acknowledged Escanor as the threat that he was and put absolutely everything into defense like Zel did, he might've been able to drag out the fight a bit before getting K.O'd.

My top 10 would be:
1. Gods
2. Hawk Mama
3. 5C Mel with OG magic
4. The One
5. The Sinner
6. King
7. Ban
8. Merlin
9. Ludociel(in his true body).
10. Zeldris
I fully expect every single member of the Sins to be on this list by the manga's end.
 

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Nah, i'd say the The One would have still oneshot full powered, serious AM Meliodas with Divine Sword, his durability shouldnt be drastically affected by how serious he was. However if Mel acknowledged Escanor as the threat that he was and put absolutely everything into defense like Zel did, he might've been able to drag out the fight a bit before getting K.O'd.

My top 10 would be:
1. Gods
2. Hawk Mama
3. 5C Mel with OG magic
4. The One
5. The Sinner
6. King
7. Ban
8. Merlin
9. Ludociel(in his true body).
10. Zeldris
I fully expect every single member of the Sins to be on this list by the manga's end.
Zeldris would be a bit higher given the "you will surpass me" statement from cusack
 

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The possibility that Mel could have won if he had taken the one seriously is one to consider because of the reality that Mel did not, in fact, take him seriously. Do you accept this notion?
May I propose an alternative assumption? If Mel was serious, he would knock Escanor out before he becomes the One. After that, he didn't have a chance considering how he easily got beaten with one attack from the One. Maybe he could do something activating the so calle original magic, but since we don't know anything about it, it would be a baseless argument. I guess none of them took it seriously at first. Escanor's smiling face clearly shows it.
Then Escanor was forced to get serious when he saw just how much powerful his opponent is.
Finally, the time has come for him to become the One, and Mel did not have time to decide if he show get serious too lol.
But Mel sure didn't get serious till the end and it is the one undeniable fact. Something all of us can agree with.
 

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Zeldris would be a bit higher given the "you will surpass me" statement from cusack
That's actually a good point assuming Cusack was referring to his true form and not his then form.
 

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Zel attacked mel in 246. In the midst of Mel’s counteraction, zel had come to realize that Mel had returned to the person he was in the past, to whatever degree that was. The mel that zel grew up with was before his eyes. That is a mel really close to the Mel that zel was most familiar with and it was this Mel that zel had spoken of when he said that Mel is careless and later when he grew agitated about the word “friends” and it’s relation to the “emotionless” brother of his. I believe that the attitude of Mel’s that zel spoke of is more important than Zels belief that Mel could have won. Zels belief that Mel could win carries less weight because he had some capacity of understanding towards Mel’s power but he was not aware of escanors. It was a judgement made with incomplete data. His statement on Mel’s attitude is, however, accurate. He was familiar with Mel’s past tendencies and behavior to some degree and his statement in this regard were based on this familiarity. We as witnesses saw what he said was true. This aspect is valuable in suspecting Mel’s capability more than a little brother saying “my big brother could beat you.”
The whole idea of sensing magic powers is by sensing how much magic power they have hence Chandler realized a grace when escanor was at his peak compare to the latter.
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1. So Zeldris didn't give a fuck and yet called him a monster?
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that was cusack??? FKS also confirmed that cusack was saying the quote in that panel.
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What I understand from Zeldoris dialogue with Escanor is that Zel is indirectly telling him "you can't defeat me." It's not all about Meliodas even if it includes his name.
you do realize that the quote he gave is talking about the comparison between him and Meliodas which DOES NOT talk about power but their demeanor in a fight.
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We need to evaluate character's own experience in this argument. Zeldris is not omniscient about him knowing he fought escanor, this evaluation is depending on which version of meliodas which is most likely chapter 246 and so forth or even when meliodas before betraying them. He even implemented "if this is true" as if he cannot believe he would defeat meliodas at his peak, which he THEN describe his demeanor in a fight which toys around with strong opponents. Since zeldris ALSO has sparred with meliodas in the past, so there's a possibility that meliodas also toyed around with zeldris despite zeldris giving his all and zeldris for his affection to meliodas wanting to go serious is a possibility rather than a guaranteed.
 

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that was cusack??? FKS also confirmed that cusack was saying the quote in that panel.
Oh, thanks, I didn't know about it. Could you please address his post? I'm curious to know the correct statement.
you do realize that the quote he gave is talking about the comparison between him and Meliodas which DOES NOT talk about power but their demeanor in a fight.
No, I didn't realize it that way. He was not comparing himself with his brother just for the sake of comparison. Facing with a formidable enemy in the middle of a battlefield, it's hardly the time for doing so. There has to be a connection between what he says and what he was gonna go through. He mentioned Mel's fighting style to clearly demonstrate his own. That is a relevant and suitable purpose. I'm not denying the possibility that Mel could not win, and as I said even Zel's statement is inconclusive. He could possibly win, but this can't be the only reason why Zel said so.
 

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May I propose an alternative assumption? If Mel was serious, he would knock Escanor out before he becomes the One. After that, he didn't have a chance considering how he easily got beaten with one attack from the One. Maybe he could do something activating the so calle original magic, but since we don't know anything about it, it would be a baseless argument. I guess none of them took it seriously at first. Escanor's smiling face clearly shows it.
Then Escanor was forced to get serious when he saw just how much powerful his opponent is.
Finally, the time has come for him to become the One, and Mel did not have time to decide if he show get serious too lol.
But Mel sure didn't get serious till the end and it is the one undeniable fact. Something all of us can agree with.
That’s the thing about possibility. It is to consider multiple conclusions. You can choose whatever conclusion you think to be the case, but until proven it is conjecture. I have made my choice as to what conclusion I have found to be more likely, but my intent is not to make an argument for this specific conclusion of mine but to attest to the existence of the possibility from which I have chosen this conclusion.

You are correct. Neither of them took it seriously at the onset. However that changed with escanor when he discovered he was being incredibly overwhelmed. Evertime escanor grew stronger, a burst of arrogance grew with it right before that arrogance was, quite literally, punched out of him. This reality only switched over to Mel at the end. The only time that I had found Mel to have truly acknowledged his opponent was when he had fallen over. The attack that Mel was about to use before his defeat, was not one in where he had truly acknowledged his opponent. After Mel attacked with the 1000 slices, when escanor commented on its ineffectiveness, Mel’s demeanor heavily implied that he really didn’t care. Mel’s mindset after the ones comment was “oh I’ll just hit a little harder then,” because that’s what he had been doing the entire fight. Mel did not acknowledge the degree of the ones power for what it was at all and that’s when the tables turned. On the very panel that the one brought down the hand, Mel was still rather nonchalant and smirking. Turn the page and you have Mel finally going “.....oh.....” Mels display, arrogance and all, was thus transferred over to the side of Escanor. But it was to late.

It is true that this can be applied to everything wherein arrogance is concerned. It is a fact that had it been the case that those who underestimated did not underestimate, the possibility that they would have performed better is very much so existent. Attacks that hit wouldn’t hit, attacks that were not blocked could have been blocked, the strength that was not used could have been used.
 

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No, I didn't realize it and he was not comparing himself with his brother just for the sake of comparison. Facing with a formidable enemy in the middle of a battlefield, it's hardly the time for doing so. There has to be a connection between what he says and what he was gonna go through. He mentioned Mel's fighting style to clearly demonstrate his own. That is a relevant and suitable purpose. I'm not denying the possibility that Mel could not win, and as I said even Zel's statement is inconclusive. He could possibly win, but this can't be the only reason why Zel said so.
and yes like i said if we're gonna evaluate his point then we need to consider the time he fought meliodas which the current history fight he had was in chapter 246 and the previous ones were back when meliodas taught zeldris how to fight which would be people using "prime meliodas".

Hence in the line "if this is the truth" it's as if he doubts that idea and hence he went in the hypothetical stance that he DOESNT know about the fight between escanor and mel. He even acknowledges meliodas own power being "awful lot (meaning exceedingly) strong", which if we go by meliodas that fought escanor he doesn't seem to be strong compare to zeldris which would debunk his statement of mentioning meliodas own power.

I stood what i said that zeldris both experiences on meliodas own power and SENSING someone's power which by this case escanor at his peak and has a doubtful representation that escanor would defeat meliodas (serious).
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The attack that Mel was about to use before his defeat, was not one in where he had truly acknowledged his opponent. After Mel attacked with the 1000 slices, when escanor commented on its ineffectiveness, Mel’s demeanor heavily implied that he really didn’t care. Mel’s mindset after the ones comment was “oh I’ll just hit a little harder then,” because that’s what he had been doing the entire fight. Mel did not acknowledge the degree of the ones power for what it was at all and that’s when the tables turned. On the very panel that the one brought down the hand, Mel was still rather nonchalant and smirking. Turn the page and you have Mel finally going “.....oh.....” Mels display, arrogance and all, was thus transferred over to the side of Escanor. But it was to late.
yes because i've been arguing that fight about mel not really giving anything despite escanor tanking the move. Which i said to people 3 months ago that meliodas wanting to try more but that cockiness led him to be knocked out.
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meliodas didn't use 1000 divine slices against near noon escanor why is that?
 
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