Luffy vs. Zoro! Who would win?

[narutoschkraknives]

well lucchi had a dourki of 4000 and luffy broke that easily with G2and zoro coulnt even break kakus of 2800 or something like that without asura. b4 i would have to say that luffys brawling skills were equal to that of a master swordsman he was like shur no toki fought mute and kicked ass with it but i thought that zoro could beat him.but luffy made apparent with G2&3 that he was the ships strongest but zoro is the only one that trains constanly so he will catch up.

but then again luffy is currently trying to get stronger to so he may make the gap even bigger but zoro will defintelymake his old self seem weak.

 

[neomaster121]

well lucchi had a dourki of 4000 and luffy broke that easily with G2and zoro coulnt even break kakus of 2800 or something like that without asura. b4 i would have to say that luffys brawling skills were equal to that of a master swordsman he was like shur no toki fought mute and kicked ass with it but i thought that zoro could beat him.but luffy made apparent with G2&3 that he was the ships strongest but zoro is the only one that trains constanly so he will catch up.

but then again luffy is currently trying to get stronger to so he may make the gap even bigger but zoro will defintelymake his old self seem weak.

please don't use that as a direct end to the battle
luffy couldn't move after that fight so why do u say he broke 4000 easily???

Zoro techniqually broke that easily considering he then went off to fight smoker ranked marines

databook says they are even anywhoo
if u got a better reason then i would love to discuss

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

As I think, we can't say that the stronger always wins a fight. As Luffy said himself, there are people able to do things others can't do. Luffy is not able to fight high-level swordmen and Zoro is a great-level swordman.
So, Zoro should win.

But, the more Luffy experiences, the more he will be able to fight all the kinds of weapons.
It's why WB, the stronger man of OP should win all the one against one fight.

 

[bittman]

At the moment Luffy would win as the only person to counter Gear Second effectively so far is Kuma. No-one has met Luffy's raw speed and power in Gear Second yet, and though Zoro is fast Luffy is insanely strong in the gear form.

So how I see it:
* If they fought without upgrades (asura or gears), it would be a near tie.
* If they used their super forms (asura and gears), Luffy would clearly win. I don't care how many swords you have, Luffy is still close to undefeated in Gear 2. In short, his upgrade was larger than Zoros.

Also, people who say Zoro would win because he uses Swords that can cut rubber more easily than Luffy can break bones should be shot. You might as well argue that wax is not possibly hard or sharp enough to stab a giant.

 

[Superman]

I thought about how it would be if Zoro would leave the crew for a periot if he notices that hes stronger than Luffy. I dont mean that he is out of side for a long time like Buggy but just 40 or 50 chapters and his way is shown tough. But now the whole crew is apparted and its pretty awesome. He isnt stronger anyway. Luffy is Bruce Lee plus Arnold Schwarzenegger in his fighting style and Zoro is my grandma on LCD with a kitchen knife i know bad examples.

I just dont get the statement! If Zoro becomes stronger faster than Luffy who cares, he is 2 or 3 years older its totally fine by me, but that this right now is called equal is wack. Doesnt make any sense to me.

What stood in the databook excacly?? Are they phisically equal or are they equal in a fight against each other?? In which arc was the book written??

 

[Dice]

Well the thing with is grandma is quite easy. She's standing on a LCD-Monitor. Since she has quite revolutionary technology she must have a connection to Vega Punk and therefore I assume that she might be a Cyborg. Just like Kuma.....or maybe she is Kuma, so who knows......


But I want to write something on topic: The discussion about their stamina is still going on. But I bet we might soon see who in fact has more stamina. Since haki negates the devil fruit Luffy will take clean hits soon enough just like Zoro does.

And about the 'Luffy is at a disadvantage because Zoro uses swords and swords are Luffy's weakness'-thing I can only say that Luffy isn't weak against swords. At least not more than anybody else. He only uses big advantage against blunt attacks.

Though I think that Luffy would win at the moment I don't think it's as clear as some think. Sure Luffy has his gears and can use them quite efficiently but Zoro is no pushover and he has been able to adapt to situations which wasn't at his favor (just like Luffy did several times). So he should last some time.
And if Luffy uses gear third alone it could actually change the tables. Think about it: Lucci almost lost but only because he thought that the attack is weak and I don't think Zoro would underestimate Luffy. Additionally he reflected Oz' punch which should be on a similar level.



Ohh and Bruce Lee plus Arnie would be weaker than Bruce Lee alone. Just imagine when he would try his moves with such a body....mhh he would actually be a cyborg too....that makes things interesting again^^

 

[Superman]

OMG your grandma is scary strong then equal or just below brucelee n ardold schwarzenegger

is she ranked world strongest grandma?

You can bet And sorry i meant LSD...LSD! How the hell did i came up with LCD dammit. Dice you`re great!
Neo did you read the book?? If so answer my questions please.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

nami would win by doppel knock out :/

 

[bittman]

But I want to write something on topic: The discussion about their stamina is still going on. But I bet we might soon see who in fact has more stamina. Since haki negates the devil fruit Luffy will take clean hits soon enough just like Zoro does.

Yeah, because Luffy totally never took clean hits from Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucchi and Moria. On the other hand, Zoro doesn't always take clean hits. Go over his fights again and you'll see he is quite the escape artist (Specially against Kuma)

And about the 'Luffy is at a disadvantage because Zoro uses swords and swords are Luffy's weakness'-thing I can only say that Luffy isn't weak against swords. At least not more than anybody else. He only uses big advantage against blunt attacks.

Thank you.

Though I think that Luffy would win at the moment I don't think it's as clear as some think. Sure Luffy has his gears and can use them quite efficiently but Zoro is no pushover and he has been able to adapt to situations which wasn't at his favor (just like Luffy did several times). So he should last some time.
And if Luffy uses gear third alone it could actually change the tables. Think about it: Lucci almost lost but only because he thought that the attack is weak and I don't think Zoro would underestimate Luffy. Additionally he reflected Oz' punch which should be on a similar level.

I'm with you on Gear 3, Lucchi had no trouble with it once he realised it was all power and no speed. Yet Gear 2 is still unrivaled by almost everything Luffy has faced (Kuma being the exception, though one could argue it wasn't a fight but desperate attacks by a desperate Luffy). I'd also argue Luffy is far more adaptive in battle, particularly where the environment can be adapted to.

 

[Dice]

Yeah, because Luffy totally never took clean hits from Arlong, Crocodile, Enel, Lucchi and Moria. On the other hand, Zoro doesn't always take clean hits. Go over his fights again and you'll see he is quite the escape artist (Specially against Kuma)

Sorry I meant that he would get hit without his DF activ because of haki not that he never got hit by an opponent. I hear people often say that Luffy can only take the this amount of damage because of his fruit. While it's true that he doesn't feel as much pain as he would without we don't know how exactly it would affect his stamina. But I'd say that without his fruit he shouldn't be able to take more damage than Zoro.
Since there might be many hakiusers from now on that is a factor that shouldn't be ignored (I mean the fact that he virtually loses his damagereducing body (at least that's the impression I get)).
And it's true the Zoro is quite the escape artist, that's also a reason why I think that he won't go down too fast against gear 2.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

In theory, the Captain and the Vice-Captain should be at a combat power nearly equal because the Vice-Captain must be able to become Captain if the Captain dies, is sick, is really tired, is absent etc ... He must be able to act as a Captain if the true Captain cannot take on his position at a moment which means all the responsabilities of the crew go to the Vice-Captain (for example, be able to protect all the nakamas etc...)

The Vice-Captain of the Pirate King, Silver Rayleigh was really strong (he is still able to fight against an admiral, to use a wonderful haki), so I guess he was near the Pirate King level.
So, the Captain and the Vice-Captain are able to fight against each other. If Rayleigh is still able to stand against an admiral, he was able to stand in front of Gol Roger because he was stronger in the past.
Moreover, I think an admiral can fight with the Pirate King even if he would be for sure the looser.

Plus, as we know, the two guys that know they always have to get stronger are Luffy and Zoro. So, I think, they've really got the same will to grow, and by consequence, they should be in a level relatively equal. The Captain by definition is the stronger guy because he had all the responsibilities. But, if the Captain and Vice-Captain fights, there are no position anymore. The two fights because they cannot stay in that hierarchy. For the moment, they're still in that hierarchy but Zoro has already intervened in the Captain's (Luffy) decisions (at W7 for exemple). So, for me, they're still equal and Luffy cannot be the winner just because he is officially the Captain (unofficially, he is always challenged by Zoro even if they both don't want it).
There is a time he will be ruling over his crew and his decisions will not be challenged by the Vice-Captain : it will be when they'll be at their top level of their life, when Luffy will be able to fight/decide/"rule" whatever the other people think, at the time he will be able to fight against all the kind of combatants
.
But for the moment, he is not able to do it and he is (as it will always be) near his Vice-Captain level. So, I think, as a swordman, Zoro would win because of his advantage.

 

[neomaster121]

In theory, the Captain and the Vice-Captain should be at a combat power nearly equal because the Vice-Captain must be able to become Captain if the Captain dies, is sick, is really tired, is absent etc ... He must be able to act as a Captain if the true Captain cannot take on his position at a moment which means all the responsabilities of the crew go to the Vice-Captain (for example, be able to protect all the nakamas etc...)

The Vice-Captain of the Pirate King, Silver Rayleigh was really strong (he is still able to fight against an admiral, to use a wonderful haki), so I guess he was near the Pirate King level.
So, the Captain and the Vice-Captain are able to fight against each other. If Rayleigh is still able to stand against an admiral, he was able to stand in front of Gol Roger because he was stronger in the past.
Moreover, I think an admiral can fight with the Pirate King even if he would be for sure the looser.

Plus, as we know, the two guys that know they always have to get stronger are Luffy and Zoro. So, I think, they've really got the same will to grow, and by consequence, they should be in a level relatively equal. The Captain by definition is the stronger guy because he had all the responsibilities. But, if the Captain and Vice-Captain fights, there are no position anymore. The two fights because they cannot stay in that hierarchy. For the moment, they're still in that hierarchy but Zoro has already intervened in the Captain's (Luffy) decisions (at W7 for exemple). So, for me, they're still equal and Luffy cannot be the winner just because he is officially the Captain (unofficially, he is always challenged by Zoro even if they both don't want it).
There is a time he will be ruling over his crew and his decisions will not be challenged by the Vice-Captain : it will be when they'll be at their top level of their life, when Luffy will be able to fight/decide/"rule" whatever the other people think, at the time he will be able to fight against all the kind of combatants
.
But for the moment, he is not able to do it and he is (as it will always be) near his Vice-Captain level. So, I think, as a swordman, Zoro would win because of his advantage.

while reading your post i found myself agreeing and disagreeing

As you Say captain and vice captain should be close in strength and your example of gold rodger n silver rayleigh is perfect example

If silver can handle admirals at an old age imagine what the vice captain of the future pirate king would be doing

But i disagree with your view on luffy not leading yet until later
in fact he has been leading he why do the crew just go to every island and explore and have fun its cause thats what luffy wants
most of the battles they enter since they arrived in the new world is due to luffy leading them into the situation

arabasta (he chose to help)
Ennies lobby (he chose to fight)
Tb (he chose to fight)
jaya arc (he chose to get beating with Zoro listening to him even after nami said fight)
Sky island (he could have escape chose otherwise too stay n fight)

Zoro follows luffy even if it could lead him to his death thats because every fight luffy leads the crew into it helpsmake them stronger

Zoro only challenges and controls when things are serious and luffy either being too dumb or too mushy
Like with ussop, Zoro wouldn't allow him back and Luffy accepted his view as his vice captain and the reason Zoro did that was because he didn't like the way Ussop tryd to disrespect his captain

Anyone disrespects luffy, Zoro will be there as a vice captain
it makes the two of them quite cool to watch just as the supernova said luffy must be a great man to have someone like Zoro serve under him

yea they are two guys with the highest goals but they respect each other

as i see them they are two sides to a coin

Captain side - luffy - joker free willed not really serious at the most of times
Then the other side
First mate - Zoro does his training sleeps drinks and keeps to himelf in the most very opposite to luffy apart from the ambition that drives the two of them

but when Zoro sees that luffys doing something that would endanger everyone or when he sees something he finds wrong then He puts his foot down, luffy awknowledges Zoro and for the most part Zoro is right

I for one thought he was making good sense when he said that ussop shouldn't return unless he said sorry first, tho ussop didn't do that and they just ignored him til he did, but just having him appologise was enough, if he didn't they would have left him in w7 due to Zoro no doubt about it

Luffy listen to Zoro as a first mate but i Luffy makes the descisions and Zoro goes along with them as a first mate should
and yes Zoro and luffy should stay close in strength especially if they will fight admirals
cause even if luffy became pirate king he would not be able to defeat everyone if they thought him at once, to be pirate king he needs a crew that will not loose to any other crew and to do that he needs both Sanji and Zoro to be at or near his level of strength

3 admirals - a nice number for the strawhat crew luffy zoro and sanji by the end should be at or above this level
7 shichibukai - Luffy fought 2, Zoro's fought 2 tho the out comes were opposite
4 yonkou - well really its probably 2 luffy will fight but then remember these guys will have their own vice captains etc

even some of the supernova
1 already probably will try to take out Zoro or luffy (bonney)
then you got the others who are a nice mix of swordsmen captains (who could fight Zoro) and Captains for luffy to battle against aint it funny that Oda kept Zoro in the rankings with the other supernova, Oda never does anything for no reason

and with Luffy gone stupidly alone into the the enemies mouth, Zoro may have to lead the crew into ID to help get him out if luffy manages to get ace, as i think gets himself caught.

dang everytime i wanna finish i think of something new lol

well last point

Oda didn't brink in Silver for no reason
I believe he did so because he wanted to develop Zoro

Sliver and Zoro's comparriosons
both like to drink
both are serious (well judging from silvers flashbacks)
Both seem to be swordsmen

I can easily see Oda having a Zoro and silver few page or chapter chat where they either talk about Zoro's previous sacrifice for his captain or maybe brookes sanji or robin tell silver about Zoro thinking he's still not strong enough to lead the crew (maybe because Zoro plans to help luffy if he got himself caught) then the two have a 1 on 1.

im gonna stop typing ^__^

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I agree that Luffy is the Captain and takes the decisions but he cannot do what he wants if the Vice-Captain don't agree.
Zoro has many times intervened and the fact that Zoro is an independent reveals us the fact that the hierarchy between them is not always (but the most part of the time it is) respected.
Sometimes, the position between them are forgotten :
- when they fight at Whiskey Peak (it was a mano a mano)
- at Skypia when they both decided what was the way (and where they must go)
- at Water Seven when he said that if he doesn't do how he thinks, he will no longer consider him as a Captain and told him how to act.
And the fact that the Captain's position which is Luffy's is not always respected only by Zoro shows us that their are both at a real similar level (Usopp's case was only due to the fact he had decided to left the crew whereas Zoro had never when they disagreed ; moreover, Ussop's case doesn't reveal him as a nakama deciding that the crew will keep Merry, he just decided for himself)

I added real because they should already been at a similar level with the Captain and Vice-Captain status.
It's what I wanted to mean in my last post and I wanted to add an argument of their very near level of fighting with the disagreements they had.

 

[Belisar]

they are equal. each of them has his advantages.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I can't understand how they are equal, because it isn't logical. Luffy is deffinetly stronger and I can base my opinion on facts:
1. Luffy bit Croc.
2. Then he bit Enel, though it isn't very important as a fact, because he had advantage thanks to his DF.
3. Luffy defeated the strongest CP9 member Rob Lucci, wos doriki was 2 times bigger than Zoro's opponent, also Luffy bit Bruno, who is the 4th strongest in CP9 like he was nothing. So according to this we can say that Luffy was two times stronger than Zoro, but then comes even more.
4. Luffy bit Moria, another Shicibukai.
5. Then he became stronger during the Impel Down and MarinFord actions, when he bit Vice Admiral, fought against Magellan, Garp and Admirals. Also he showed Haoshuku Haki. I think that now the gap between them is practically between 2,5 and 3 times in strength.

And if someone says about Zoro's advantage because of his swords... it could be an advantage in the fight of equal opponents, but they are not equal in terms of destructive power, stamina and deffinetly in terms of speed.

 

[hibar90]

I can't understand how they are equal, because it isn't logical. Luffy is deffinetly stronger and I can base my opinion on facts:
1. Luffy bit Croc.
2. Then he bit Enel, though it isn't very important as a fact, because he had advantage thanks to his DF.
3. Luffy defeated the strongest CP9 member Rob Lucci, wos doriki was 2 times bigger than Zoro's opponent, also Luffy bit Bruno, who is the 4th strongest in CP9 like he was nothing. So according to this we can say that Luffy was two times stronger than Zoro, but then comes even more.
4. Luffy bit Moria, another Shicibukai.
5. Then he became stronger during the Impel Down and MarinFord actions, when he bit Vice Admiral, fought against Magellan, Garp and Admirals. Also he showed Haoshuku Haki. I think that now the gap between them is practically between 2,5 and 3 times in strength.

And if someone says about Zoro's advantage because of his swords... it could be an advantage in the fight of equal opponents, but they are not equal in terms of destructive power, stamina and deffinetly in terms of speed.

Theoretically speaking Luffy should win. However, the margin is not as big as some may think. Their difference can be as close to as a draw. Yes physically Luffy seems superior, especially in speed. But like luffy to enel, zoro holds a cryptonite against luffy. Basically luffy is up against a swordsman who's comparable to even himself. He will be fighting against sword with his bare hand. Ultimately luffy will win, with really severe injury.

Luffy was not that much different in the war as he was in enies lobby. Luffy beat lucci and was unable to move. Basically like lucci (fainted) but he was conscious. While Zoro still ran around after his fight against kaku. Though his future power ups is in a way obvious. And by then I think luffy will pull away from healthy zoro before they part. We have yet to see what zoro has done to become powerful. So as of now, it's very close. In the future, unless zoro has power ups, luffy will pull away.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

Luffy was not that much different in the war as he was in enies lobby. Luffy beat lucci and was unable to move. Basically like lucci (fainted) but he was conscious. While Zoro still ran around after his fight against kaku. Though his future power ups is in a way obvious. And by then I think luffy will pull away from healthy zoro before they part. We have yet to see what zoro has done to become powerful. So as of now, it's very close. In the future, unless zoro has power ups, luffy will pull away.

Zoro indeed was running around after defeating Kaku but so was Sanji after beating Jyabura. Luffy faced an enemy with almost twice as much Douriki as Zoro's enemy so I don't think this is quite relevant.

Interestingly enough is that Sanji (if one chooses two follow the Douriki system) seems to be the one closer to Zoro than Zoro being close to Luffy at least for now and surely in the future. Enough with the fanboy material

And counting on which enemies either has defeated isn't that necessary as well. E.g Zoro would have never defeated Croc and Luffy wouldn't have defeated Daz bones even now both battles would be harsh for both of them.

In a fight between Luffy and Zoro I think that speed is the key to Luffy's victory. Zoro is an extremely dangerous foe against Luffy, it's almost as if Oda had that in mind.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Zoro vs Luffy.. quite hard to say, but sum a few facts

Whiskey peak they did one vs one, draw.
In Ennies lobbies Zoro was battling kaku + wolfman in 2v1 and holded his own.
I think zoro could have won 2v1 eventually


After thriller bark..
Zoro battled both Legendary samurai ryuma and the other legend ozz.
And after he also battled Kuma..

After all the battling was done, he also took ALL the damage and fatique from Luffy
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/15/

Now impel down+ war luffy didnt get rly stronger..

But now Luffy prolly gets training my rayleigh...
And Zoro is there with Dracule Mihawk...

Not only oda stated they were equal in combat ability, i also think when they are back together, they still are equal.

 

[St Michael]

Whiskey peak they did one vs one, draw.
In Ennies lobbies Zoro was battling kaku + wolfman in 2v1 and holded his own.
I think zoro could have won 2v1 eventually

Zoro could have won in a fight against a guy with Jyab + Kaku doriki maybe , but never both of them at the same time.

He can block attacks from a really strong foe , but protect himself from Kaku from the front and Jyabura from behind at the same time seems quite impossible. Even Zoro has limits

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Theoretically speaking Luffy should win. However, the margin is not as big as some may think. Their difference can be as close to as a draw. Yes physically Luffy seems superior, especially in speed. But like luffy to enel, zoro holds a cryptonite against luffy. Basically luffy is up against a swordsman who's comparable to even himself. He will be fighting against sword with his bare hand. Ultimately luffy will win, with really severe injury.

Luffy was not that much different in the war as he was in enies lobby. Luffy beat lucci and was unable to move. Basically like lucci (fainted) but he was conscious. While Zoro still ran around after his fight against kaku. Though his future power ups is in a way obvious. And by then I think luffy will pull away from healthy zoro before they part. We have yet to see what zoro has done to become powerful. So as of now, it's very close. In the future, unless zoro has power ups, luffy will pull away.

Before fighting Lucci Luffy won against 4th strongest CP9 member Bruno and then he fought the strongest Lucci (whose Doriki was 2 times stronger than Zoro's or Sanji's opponent). So it is only logical that he is the strongest. And I'd say that Zoro doesn't have the upper hand against Luffy with his swords, because it would matter in a fight of equal foes and they are deffinetly not equal. I'd say that Luffy is equal to Zorro and Sanji together.