Re: MAFIA GAME 18 POWAH PUFF GRRRLS EDITION
before I read up on anything. I would like to know , Evil if you asked our roles why didn't you go ahead and give out your role as well?
I thought I gave already enough information about my role. You just need to count one and one together.
Yes, I investigated 2. Both DD said they was townies.
Tell us who.
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Okay, so when I went to bed yesterday I thought it might be a good move to analyse the dead mafia's posts and see if there's a scheme. I will start with Imperium, who I assume have been not only the official boss, but also mafia's main strategian. I wanted to see if there were some steady persons he tried to incriminate, actively or descretely and which persons he overlooked completely. Maybe this will hint on who is the last mafia.
Subject: Votekill
Object: Googlez_kun
Justification: Jerk
So he voted for
googlez without any reason.
I would like to clarify I will be changing my vote as it was a joke. Some players have yet to show up, I would like to see everyone before making a decision.
And what is up with lawlett?
He is saying
googlez vote was random, and mentioning
lawlett, who has been acting fishy to him with the avatars.
Okay firstly I have to apologise to googlez, I didnt get here in time for the end of the round yesterday. Which is entirely my fault.
Evil you are incredibly aggressive player and if I didnt remember your last game that would have put me off. But having seen that type of play from you before I would have found it more suspicious if you didnt play that way. So for now I'm withholding judgement. I have some suspicions but I will re-read the thread to see if anything more pops up.
He excuses for
googlez being almost killed, because he wasn't there to change his vote. I don't think that is a sincere. Becasue if it was then googlez would be pretty much the last mafia. Then he is commenting on
my game, saying I am not suspicious because of the behaviour in previous games.
That line was because the idiot was posting first without his avy. Then took it on and back off. Then posted without it again. Should have clarified that a bit more.
About
lawlett.
I think whats important to realise from the last phase is that no major bandwagons occurred. Banana was barely killed and it could have easily been any one of us. It seems like there was not much consensus building there, but everyone making their own theories and stubbornly sticking to it. I liked evil's analysis of the players from his perspective, though I have to say its coloured by bias and inconsistent reasoning.
One the one hand people are being lambasted for not playing the same way they played before, toc being the biggest case. If anything I find him the least suspicious. We seen him as a townie, we seen him as a mafia, and we see him now. His game in all three instances has stayed exactly the same. kdowns however is being the same player he is, quite silent barely playing, but this is not considered suspicious because "he always plays like that". There has to be some consistency in that sense.
He's criticising
my analysis because of the bias towards
toc and
kdowns.
I think lawletts lack of actual trolling and naffing around makes me suspect he has an important role in the game and is taking it seriously. On the other hand even if he posted a lot and he didnt reveal much. wizzard and googlez can be put under the noob bracket, we dont have much to go on with the two of them (other than googlez being a jerk of course - for those paranoid and lacking a sense of humour this is a joke, I repeat a joke - ).
He is suspicious of
lawlett's trollish behaviour, on the other hand he says he has an important role, which disburdens lawly a lot in the same sentence. It is also interesting how he puts
googlez and
wizzard under the noob radar.
xi0 in the last game was subtle in leading discussion, every post he made was with an end goal in sight. He did not lead but he steered. This is not the same time around, half his posts are flippant one liners with what seems to be very little care and thought the others seem rushed. His vote for niichan had bizarre reasoning. I suspect though he either does not have much time/or is not online as much as before, so is rushing what he posts. I am not going to jump on this bandwagon until he posts more and responds to the accusations.
He says
xi0's game is different than when he was mafia last time, which means he doesn't think he is mafia this time. And then again he says he is cautious of him because of the
niichan vote. I think he is just picking up my vote changing in day 1 and that some were agreeing with it, such as sakura.
The last person I wanted to discuss was Evil3ye. He is being very proactive, he is challenging and questioning everything. Your willingness to be in the spotlight can either be seen as a brave Mafia member or an aggressive townie. I mentioned it before in the last game though, the biggest enemy for us is not the mafia but ourselves. Putting down your reasons is good but we should beware of inconsistent reasoning and rational because as we saw clearly in the last game that is how the mafia will try and make a small fire into a raging bandwagon inferno of lynching.
The rest I dont have much to say. A lot of people are posting with a lot off fluff but no substance.
Again, same post, another paragraph about
me, trying to discredit me and while saying I am very challenging and questioning, leaving the option open of me being mafia. I get from this he was very afraid I will start bandwagoning him, as he was third on my list. All the other people (kdowns, toc, sakura, tata) he didn't feel like mentioning here at all.
What is the reason? Because there really cant be one for playing the way you are.
Actually the only logical conclusion I could come to is that you are in fact either
1. A mafia member - Your admission was to deflect blame and add to the flippant personality your are building for yourself. By not contributing and giving silly answers you are not hiding nor standing out, you are doing something completely different. You are being ridiculous, so rather than everyone think you are mafia they will think you are just an annoyance.
2. A serial killer - You dont care about voting, or any of the discussions, but are waiting for the night phase to kill. You just want to watch the world burn. Whoever is mafia/townie is none of your concern.
Thats the only thing I can gather from your position. If you have little time you would step up and make your apologies and let yourself be gracefully hostkilled (as countless others did before).
Suddenly...
kdowns.
Im busy writing another post about the game, but to quickly say that was my exact point xi0. Its quite smart, it avoids both groups of players. Im pretty sure he is a serial killer.
Again,
kdowns, agreeing with
xi0 about it.
There is a prostitute player that chooses a player every night phase. This player cannot perform an action during the phase. It is possible the prostitute chose kdowns and stopped him from carrying out his actio
Justifying why
kdowns is criminal. This is the heating bandwagon he was talking about earlier mafia members would try to do!
Looking at the votes currently, I can only find two votes with valid reasoning. The xi0 for niichan and the niichan for xi0. The rest...the rest. What in the name of fucks has this game descended too.
Imp's vote analysis starts... Defending
xi0's and
niichan's arguments.
Lets begin with the toc votes. The vote by googlez boils down too "I am convinced by evils arguments, so its either xi0 or toc..so urm i got toc". How has this slipped under the radar? I understand noob townie behaviour but this is classic noob mafia behaviour. He is votekilling someone without any serious thoughts of his own. Please provide something more than jumping on evils bandwagon. Edit: This was written before googlez post above, which has changed my mind on this paragraph.
Dissing
googlez and being clearly pro-
toc here.
Then we get to Sakura. Ah lovely Sakura. If I didnt like her outside the thread I would probably resort to strangling vodoo dolls of her likeliness in the faint hope magic actually works. She has stuck to toc like a bad flea. From Farfalla to me, and others as well have said countlessly again and again, toc played the same way in every game he has
been in. He hasnt changed. Not once. But nonetheless dear Sakura has taken upon herself to vote for him again because her suspicions have not changed. What were her suspicions?
Yea, im off to begin making that doll.
She also seemed to have said she thought Evils analysis was spot on, and then after said she found him really suspicious. Inconsistent.
Dissing
sakura and being clearly pro-
toc here, too.
I am not going to even go into wizzards vote in detail. Just a cursory glance from anyone should be enough.
...Noob exuberance I hope. We use to have a stamp on our reports in school called the CDB, it meant you were being horrible in class. It stood for "Could do better", classic understatement but apt here.
Covering
wizzard under the noob argument again.
Then is toc
This is superb deductive skills toc. Why did no one else think of this? It was all there in black in white. I for one am pretty convinced, you have everything right there. There is reason, logic and a sound rationale. I think you are being severely underestimated in your critical thinking. Its obviously showing up here. As I said, superb stuff.
Dissing
toc's play, but not really incriminating him.
lawlett seems to have voted out of annoyance at kdowns behaviour. Which is not helpful but understandable I think.
He agrees with
lawlett's vote against
kdowns, who he is going to vote for soon too.
Reading through this I cant help but wonder if there is a single player Evil hasnt accused of something or other. You are like an overexcited dog barking at everything and everyone. Not that I mind, it brings everything out to the fore but you are still in my opinion simply to brazen to be mafia. This can easily backfire and cause a people to suspect you in turn, so you must either be brave and canny or have complete confidence in your innocence. To be perfectly honest you I still dont know what to fully make of you...My suspicions are a trio, xi0, naruto-niichan and lawlett. However it is not conclusive and its not based on anything more solid than my feelings on how they are playing. If I had more I would try and make a case but I dont. So I am going to do something else entirely.
Discrediting
me again, because I jump on everyone, one further post to protect himself from the hate train. His suspects are
lawlett's ,
niichan and
xi0.
I am going to vote for kdowns. My reasoning is that I believe he is a serial killer. Its been discussed above. Now I know this brings about the question of why try to kill the serial killer. The reasoning is simple, I am more sure of him being a serial killer than I am of someone being suspicious enough as a mafia member.
The likelihood we kill a townie is higher than a mafia member, this means by the beginning of the next phase we can conceivably be down by 3 townies (including the serial killer kill). This will make our chances of winning this game closer and closer to nil. Killing the serial killer in this lynching would mean that the likelihood two townies dying in the night becomes 0 this extends the game and makes it more likely to find the mafia members in future phases because we have more posts to build evidence on. We also kill a disruptive influence on our game, his posts help the mafia more than they hinder it and he is annoying.
Justifying his
kdowns vote and hating and trying to bandwagoning him, by telling how dangerous it'd be keeping him around. How lucky he was that Tata jump so easily onto it. Then again unlucky, because kdowns shot him.
Well as I said its an unsubstantiated feeling, and there is no solid facts behind it. But the reasoning is because I feel its a ploy. You vote each other, make excuses etc and let the others go about their business lynching each other. You already have your "targets" and are seen as less suspicious. It helps niichan stay relevant in the game since it seems he is busy and doesnt get him hostkilled.
This comment is about
niichan and
xi0.
You missed this part which I was quickly editing in.
As I said it was unsubstantiated gut instinct which doesnt lead to anything successful in most cases. I dont just jump on every passing fancy that happens to flit across my brain. Im pretty sure I can make an emotional case but I didnt and wont until its more conclusive. That is why I left that part short but you wanted to know why I thought that way so thats it basically.
Something more about
niichan and
xi0 probably, dunno now.
Soooo puuuhhh... Seems I'm through. From Impy's post you can clearly see he was trying to protect his mafia buds, or at least one, that we know for sure, wizzard. He said it quite a few times that he is a noob and thus doesn't know better. On the other hand, the other noob, googlez, he was attacking for voting according to my analysis. I start more and more thinking that xi0 as well as niichan are innocent, those are just two townies who heated up in a discussion, more or less random one such as I had with farfalla at the end of day one, and in which Imp was trying to spill oil.
Whereas he gave contradictable comments on lawly, saying he might be suspicious but also might have a good and important role, we clearly seen how protective he was when he talked about toc! He tried to discredit sakura and googlez for following my analysis, while farfalla and xi0 already said that this is how he always plays, for voting for him.
Of course we have no guarantee, that he'd treat both mafia members equally, but at least this is a feasible hunch now we have.
So everyone! VOTE TOC!
