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[thornofcarrion]

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yet you break this rule so many times...

 

[xi0]

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I can see the greatness with Ngata. I guarantee he is one of the guys every offensive coordinator is accounting for. San Fransisco did not start their comeback after the blackout, they made it after Ngata was injured. He's a playmaker at a position usually featuring run stuffers. Assuming he has another two or three good seasons then he is a no doubt first ballot hall of famer. There really are no holes in his game, he does everything well.

Well, the thing is that he isn't a pure DT/NT. it can be confusing who has what skillset at certain positions in a 34 defense. If you look at the Steelers with Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, and Brett Keisel, they were all big space takers and run stuffers. Because of how good their OLBs are none of them needed to be elite pass rushers from the three point stance.

You're right about his versatility though. He has NT size, but elite pass-rushing skills. He was injured all year though, but even then his sack numbers fluctuate based on what he's asked to do. This year they played Cody and Kemoeatu at the NT position over the center so Ngata could play in the three gap. The other lineman is a wildcard. Trevor Price played there for a few years, so did Cory Redding. Pernell McPhee is young and can rush the passer, but who was out there was sometimes dictated by which LB was playing to the outside of them (Suggs, Kruger, Upshaw). There's so many defensive packages on defense nowadays it's ridiculous.....

 

[Kaiten]

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yet you break this rule so many times...

I'm a rebel

Well, the thing is that he isn't a pure DT/NT. it can be confusing who has what skillset at certain positions in a 34 defense. If you look at the Steelers with Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, and Brett Keisel, they were all big space takers and run stuffers. Because of how good their OLBs are none of them needed to be elite pass rushers from the three point stance.

You're right about his versatility though. He has NT size, but elite pass-rushing skills. He was injured all year though, but even then his sack numbers fluctuate based on what he's asked to do. This year they played Cody and Kemoeatu at the NT position over the center so Ngata could play in the three gap. The other lineman is a wildcard. Trevor Price played there for a few years, so did Cory Redding. Pernell McPhee is young and can rush the passer, but who was out there was sometimes dictated by which LB was playing to the outside of them (Suggs, Kruger, Upshaw). There's so many defensive packages on defense nowadays it's ridiculous.....

Over the course of his career Ngata has frequently played DE, no? They've always liked to line him up from different spots and let him wreak havoc. Generally 34 linemen are not pass rushers, they may get sacks, but their job is to take up space, opening lanes for the linebackers, as well as stopping the run. Players like Ngata and J.J. Watt are atypical of the position, the Steelers you mentioned are more representative of the position.

 

[xi0]

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Over the course of his career Ngata has frequently played DE, no? They've always liked to line him up from different spots and let him wreak havoc. Generally 34 linemen are not pass rushers, they may get sacks, but their job is to take up space, opening lanes for the linebackers, as well as stopping the run. Players like Ngata and J.J. Watt are atypical of the position, the Steelers you mentioned are more representative of the position.

Well, technically yes. But depending on whether Suggs or Kruger put their hand in the dirt on a given play or not, he can be on the end and sometimes not. They both played DE in college and have been that hybrid OLB in the 34 that is prized these days. That's the whole point of the 34 defense, since you can't know for sure where the fourth rusher is coming from. I guess whether it's conventional or not really depends on the personnel involved. The Jets defense when it was actually decent was similar in formation to ours for obvious reasons.

 

[Kaiten]

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Most 34 teams play with four down linemen during passing downs. Most 34 outside linebackers played end in college. Our pass rushers, Orakpo and Kerrigan, were both college ends, converted to linebackers as pros. Lawrence Taylor, the prototype 34 outside linebacker, also played end in college. It's rare to find college 43 linebackers who can play outside in a 34. Most are too small, or don't have the pass rush skills. Von Miller was actually a 34 outside linebacker in college, converted to weakside 43 linebacker in the pros.

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This colour suits thorn.

I always thought of him as more of a periwinkle type of guy.

 

[xi0]

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Most 34 teams play with four down linemen during passing downs. Most 34 outside linebackers played end in college. Our pass rushers, Orakpo and Kerrigan, were both college ends, converted to linebackers as pros. Lawrence Taylor, the prototype 34 outside linebacker, also played end in college. It's rare to find college 43 linebackers who can play outside in a 34. Most are too small, or don't have the pass rush skills. Von Miller was actually a 34 outside linebacker in college, converted to weakside 43 linebacker in the pros.

Yeah I've seen it a bunch of times when a player either switches teams or a new defense is installed they'll switch positions on the depth chart. Sometimes it's a 43 outside linebacker switching to inside linebacker in a 34 or a 43 defensive end switching to a 34 outside linebacker.

We're going to lose a ton of good players from this team next year I think. It's bittersweet since the cap is what makes this league great, but it also sucks to see good players have to leave. It's also what makes the Draft so damn interesting.

 

[Kaiten]

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I'm assuming they resign Flacco. Kurger probably will leave, someone will sign him to a big deal. He's a very good player, but not worth franchising, and making one of the five highest paid pass rushers.

 

[xi0]

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I'm assuming they resign Flacco. Kurger probably will leave, someone will sign him to a big deal. He's a very good player, but not worth franchising, and making one of the five highest paid pass rushers.

All Free Agents are overpaid as far as I'm concerned. I like Kruger, but as a linebacker he's too one-dimensional to make that much money. I think they'll look to Upshaw to take his snaps and be a full-fledged starter. I think after Flacco the priority should be Ellerbe as we don't have much at ILB. We have a lot of depth at CB, especially with Webb being out all year. I think he's a top CB in this league. Because of that Cary Williams probably doesn't have a spot here. Seems like Boldin will be released in hopes they can get his cap number down, but I wouldn't want to lose him. Arthur Jones I think they can resign, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure about Bryant McKinney and what they'll do with the O line as a whole either.

Then there's the whole Reed issue. I think they'll do the same thing they did with Ray before his last contract and let him shop himself around the league, but I REALLY don't feel there's enough money for him here. He'll probably end up in New England which ...fuck...I don't even want to imagine it...

 

[Kaiten]

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I wouldn't go that far. There have been plenty of good free agent signings over the years. Teams do tend to overpay players at premium positions. Quarterbacks, pass rushers, corners, and wide receivers will get paid over market. Simple case of supply and demand. Pass rushers are always better to draft and develop yourself. There have not been many great free agent quarterback signings in league history. Some good trades, not many good free agents.

 

[Nuno]

Re: Everything All The Time

I have forgotten, but do you have Netflix?

 

[xi0]

Re: Everything All The Time

I wouldn't go that far. There have been plenty of good free agent signings over the years. Teams do tend to overpay players at premium positions. Quarterbacks, pass rushers, corners, and wide receivers will get paid over market. Simple case of supply and demand. Pass rushers are always better to draft and develop yourself. There have not been many great free agent quarterback signings in league history. Some good trades, not many good free agents.

It was hyperbole I guess, but I was thinking about the kind of money Kruger is probably set to make. The type of free agent signings the Ravens make are pretty low-key but usually are of worth. Really cost-effective. But you always see signings like the Haynesworth one or the Julius Peppers one...Mario Williams last season comes to mind. The Ravens don't do that type of thing since they spend money to keep their own players. I guess it depends on what kind of drafts you have and ours are always good to great.

I have forgotten, but do you have Netflix?

No. My On Demand service from my cable company is good enough.

 

[Nuno]

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Ah, well I was asking because of the newly released House of Cards series. I've watched 9 episodes thus far, and it's amazing.

 

[Imperium]

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Ah, well I was asking because of the newly released House of Cards series. I've watched 9 episodes thus far, and it's amazing.

I was thinking of watching that! They've been advertising the shit out it. How is kevin spacey?

 

[Nuno]

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Brilliant. He definitely makes the show. But he's not the only one putting up a strong performance. The show overall has a very high quality in all regards, not just acting.

 

[xi0]

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It's a Netflix original?

 

[Nuno]

Re: Everything All The Time

Yup.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856010/

 

[Adorien]

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I just heard that Baltimore Ravens won, congrats!

 

[Imperium]

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[Darjaille]

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can you find us a nice 'angel' smiley?

like O: -) / (A) / :angel: something

 

[thornofcarrion]

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