Hangout Shingeki no Kyojin Hangout Thread

[teioh]

Very good idea haha.
I love re-reading this manga lol, you get more and more out of it every time :P

That's exactly what I'm doing:

First Read: Scans
Second Read: My country buyed manga edition
Third Read: Anime subbed

And I can tell you: it helps a lot!

 

[Utsune]

That's exactly what I'm doing:

First Read: Scans
Second Read: My country buyed manga edition
Third Read: Anime subbed

And I can tell you: it helps a lot!

Yes yes, it's not always easy to come across manga with such a high re-read value.

Getting more information and speculations is one thing, the story never lose interest no matter how many times I read!

Definitely collecting the full set.

 

[kkck]

I wonder, will there be a point where eren simply masters his titan power? We have seen him fight a couple of times in his titan form but overall it does seem like he is still a rookie at best using his titan powers even if he is a capable hand to hand combatant. I mean, eren has not won a single fight as a titan. He ended up with his ass handed to him against annie and while he almost did beat reyner he still got defeated with berholts intervention. Overall it is entirely possible reyner held back for that matter, he was trying to capture eren while eren was trying to kill him.

Anyways it does seem like there are many flaws in eren's titan power. For starters the fact that attacking destroys his limbs. Every time eren punches something we see his hands and arms destroyed by his own strength. Will he ever become resistant enough to avoid this? Even hardened skin should not help with this considering the pressure would simply transfer elsewhere and still cause damage. Against annie we even saw him destroy his entire arm when failing to punch. Perhaps this is why annie has her special fighting style which uses the strength of her enemy rather than her own. Regenerating consumes stamina as far as we know so it is a perfect technique for a titan whose body is not strong enough to resist its own strength. Then eren obviously lacks the abilty to harden his skin so far which is inconvenient at best. Eren still seems to loose a bit of his mind when fighting. So when does eren fully develop his powers? It does seem like there is a part of his memories which he has suppressed and if I recall he knew how to transform without actually being taught so perhaps the secret to controlling all of his powers is already within him so to speak?

 

[kannazuki]

I think he'll get better as the story gets on. It's still relatively early for him yet, and we've already seen him show improvement. There are probably things he can remember like you mention (how to harden his skin and distribute the weight/pressure better when he attacks is important, as you mention, but also, he's not a genius, and I think there are things he still has to learn.

 

[kkck]

Well, on the matter of the titans having too much strength for their bodies to support, I wonder to what extent that can be dealt with. I think we have seen annie deal with that via hardening however looking at her fighting style it does seem like it was meant specifically for her to fight as a titan. She has made the point that her style does not use her own strength but rather that of the enemy. That is specially useful when fighting other titans. You use all of the strength which they have and physically cannot resist themselves and turn it against them without putting yourself at risk. How many times has eren been in trouble due to not having limbs to attack with as a titan? I am pretty sure that has been the case in all of his battles.

 

[kannazuki]

Eren picked a lot up from training with Annie and fighting her as a titan. Before Berthold showed up, it was that knowledge that essentially defeated Reiner. He just needs a chance to gain more knowledge and learn more skills (from more people).

Also, the titan body is very light for some reason, and heals itself. Once he's at full strength again, he will have room for error-- as long as he doesn't allow himself to be captured again. He also might be building stamina naturally. The more he uses titan power the longer he can hopefully last, and the faster he can recover. Annie had miles more stamina than Eren did, remember. He was way tired out by their little bouts, while Annie was always able to keep right on going (even if she was tired in the morning after the first time, that's impressive-- a testament to her fighting style I guess). Reiner and Berthold have special skills that wear them out after battle, clearly. The only thing they have going for them as of the latest chapters is that Reiner totally mangled Eren and Ymir so they have to regenerate their bodies or they'll form titan bodies too weak to survive. All four of them were in fights as titans before the current situation so otherwise they should be comparable aside from the "special skill" factor.

Someone in the Annie vs. Mikasa thread had a good point about the impression being given that it's kind of implied Annie has memorized enough battle situations to be able to respond instinctively in the heat of the moment, while Mikasa has the creativity to deal with just about any situation. I bet you anything Eren is in between the two of them on this personality trait. Somewhere between Annie's efficient "rote-learned" fighting and Mikasa's cool-headed adaptability. He has a stronger will than either of them (both his greatest strength and weakness, lol), and he can apply it to memorizing moves like Annie, but also building on that theoretical knowledge in order to get as "zen" as Mikasa with her fluidity and creativity.

 

[kkck]

I think the manga implied the titan body HAS to be light. A titan body is impractically huge so if such a being exist then it makes sense it would have to be somehow less dense than what we would be so to speak.

Hasn't the manga also implied by this point that regenerating is rather taxing on the user? Overall eren should not aim to improve his stamina and abuse his regeneration, he should aim to not get hurt and avoid having stamina drained like that. A state in which you have to regenerate is a pretty bad one if you think about it. Setting aside that the titan transformation is in itself taxing on the user there is the issue that while you regenerate you are basically a sitting duck. Look at the situations eren has been in so far, whenever he is regenerating he basically has to wait in order to be able to properly attack again. So being in a position where you have to regenerate has the implication that:

-You can't attack and perhaps move properly
-Regeneration drains your stamina which is apparently already limited

What good could possibly come out of this? You can't do anything, your enemy potentially can further beat the crap out of you and on top of that even if he doesn't your stamina is drained. Conveniently, eren almost won his fight against reyner when he stopped punches and used a lock. A situation where he can exert maximun damage without necessarily using much force overall and does not put him in a situation where he has to regenerate. Eren is usually rather lax with the whole regeneration thing but it is extremely costing, he has to fight in other ways. More conveniently, it does seem like the other titans went well out of their way so as to teach even an appropriate way to fight as a titan.

 

[ca12nag3]

@ kkck

The only flaw i see in your theory is the fact that Annie could regenerate way more then Eren ever has. Eren used a full titan suit when he first used it, then he was too much drained to do a full version when covering his friends. And was seriously fatigued.

When Annie was attacking she kept regenerating parts and even let her entire body be eaten and swiftly chase after Eren and go into Titan mode. So clearly you can do it but it requires training that Eren simply does not have.

Yes you should not be careless about using your body as if you can regen it all the time but still i believe that the capability to regenerate and even apply armor is capable after training.

@ kannazuki

I believe Annie is cool headed more then enough. And this is not a trait reserved for Mikasa. When Annie lost her sight during the attack by Erens squad members she covered her nap and vitals and recovered 1 eye and retaliated right away. If that isnt coolheaded. She knew what she was doing and executed it in perfection. The ace in the hole that the scouts have at the moment is Levi. Hes just so much better then the rest.
She would have succeeded if not for him.

 

[kannazuki]

@kkck: Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I was talking about *all* factors Eren has going for him; focusing on developing his own style of combat and what he can learn, while also pointing out there is some room for him to make a few mistakes as he goes along. Obviously if someone is in a fight, they should avoid getting hurt to the best of their ability, regardless of whether they have the capability to regenerate. Pointing out it's not necessarily game over for titan Eren if he gets injured is not the same as saying he should just not care about getting hurt. Until we've got confirmation on the way titans' bodies work somehow conforming to real world physics, we need to keep in mind this is a fictional story and work within its framework of logic. Within the story, we know that a crystal scale-armed Reiner charged the wall in order to break it and there aren't any apparent reports of him doubling over and being immobilized afterward. Also, iirc both he and Annie were able to take severe blunt or sharp blows (unlike earlier titans Eren took on and smashed with his punches) because they hardened their skin. Like you say, according to real world physics they should have taken damage anyway. Unless they've got some amazing skill at redistributing the force of these attacks, they should be dealing with internal damage to match. I doubt we're going to get an in-depth explanation of how this somehow conforms to real-world physics. It's probably just something that works in that story's world.

@ca12nag3: I never said Annie wasn't cool-headed. I was talking about their style of approach and respective ability to improvise. They're probably about equally cool-headed. Annie might even be more. Levi is surely the best soldier among them all by far, but in addition to his talent he is far more experienced. I doubt he necessarily is much cooler-headed than them.

 

[Demonspeed]

Spoiler

Spoiler

I would have preferred the Female Titan .

 

[kkck]

Question, has anyone ever discussed the death of good old marco? His death was weird to begin with and to boot annie had his 3d gear during the inspection. Is it safe to assume he was killed by reyner, bernholt and annie? I am thinking that he saw them transform and they had to deal with the situation appropriately.

 

[teioh]

This video is simply spreading into YouTube like an horde of titans:

 

[Utsune]

Question, has anyone ever discussed the death of good old marco? His death was weird to begin with and to boot annie had his 3d gear during the inspection. Is it safe to assume he was killed by reyner, bernholt and annie? I am thinking that he saw them transform and they had to deal with the situation appropriately.

It looks like Marco hangs around Jean the most. Other than him I think he would be hanging around RBA 2nd most, as portrayed. I always feel that Annie saying sorry at the end of the attack is actually directed at Marco. Also there's an uncanny 'coincidence' that they use Marco's gear to commit the two kills (captured giants.) I'm not sure which comes first actually: they decide to kill the two giants after finding out about it, but does it come after Marco's death or before? Did they kill him because he found out about them like you were suggesting?

(But what could they be doing to risk themselves exposing their identities? Did RBA see 2 giants were about to be captured and wanted to massacre the soldiers trying to capture them and Marco heard their plan? and to make it look like a giant-assault they messed up his body, further taking his gear for another opportunity to kill the 2 captive giants?) One more thing, Annie didn't answer to the question whether she had accomplices killing the 2 giants, and going by the Edited Manga it sounds like the giants are killed at the same time, so was Annie acting alone on that mission because she's so skilled to go instantaneous transmission, or was there someone else?

I might have missed it, did Annie break her own gear or something? the only reason she would use someone else's gear is when something happens out of the blue and forces her to switch gears. I thought Marco's death came before the 2 captive giants? So they must have some knowledge on what is about to go down (hence they take Marco's gear...)

I think I could have missed the explanation for gear inspection too, can anyone explain that to me?



@teioh Lol I can't wait to get home so I can watch it with sound...

 

[kkck]

It looks like Marco hangs around Jean the most. Other than him I think he would be hanging around RBA 2nd most, as portrayed. I always feel that Annie saying sorry at the end of the attack is actually directed at Marco. Also there's an uncanny 'coincidence' that they use Marco's gear to commit the two kills (captured giants.) I'm not sure which comes first actually: they decide to kill the two giants after finding out about it, but does it come after Marco's death or before? Did they kill him because he found out about them like you were suggesting?

(But what could they be doing to risk themselves exposing their identities? Did RBA see 2 giants were about to be captured and wanted to massacre the soldiers trying to capture them and Marco heard their plan? and to make it look like a giant-assault they messed up his body, further taking his gear for another opportunity to kill the 2 captive giants?) One more thing, Annie didn't answer to the question whether she had accomplices killing the 2 giants, and going by the Edited Manga it sounds like the giants are killed at the same time, so was Annie acting alone on that mission because she's so skilled to go instantaneous transmission, or was there someone else?

I might have missed it, did Annie break her own gear or something? the only reason she would use someone else's gear is when something happens out of the blue and forces her to switch gears. I thought Marco's death came before the 2 captive giants? So they must have some knowledge on what is about to go down (hence they take Marco's gear...)

I think I could have missed the explanation for gear inspection too, can anyone explain that to me?



@teioh Lol I can't wait to get home so I can watch it with sound...

marco died shortly after the second wall was attacked by the colossal titan. Shortly after that annie killed the 2 titans using marco's gear. I would think annie used her own gear to kill the titans and then presented marco's gear when they were inspected. Going by the manga it seems like it is possible to identify when a gear has been recently used so it makes sense that she would not present the one she used to kill the titans. What does not make sense is for her to not have used marco's gear to do it so as to present her own gear at the inspection. Then again it might have been that she did not know which one was which, even armin's way to tell was highly improbable.

You have to remember RAB were after the walls at the moment. It is possible marco overheard something or perhaps saw one of them transforming before backing out from destroying the wall (the armored titan did not appear to destroy the second part of the wall that time and armin did make the point that eren appearing could have caused that).

 

[Demonspeed]

SnK logo maker

The show is really became too popular.

Maybe they'll show Marco's death in the anime if it's not too spoilerish.

 

[ImmortalZodd]

http://fenglee.com/game/aog/
SnK game.
5 kills my personal best.

 

[Yumpo]

marco died shortly after the second wall was attacked by the colossal titan. Shortly after that annie killed the 2 titans using marco's gear. I would think annie used her own gear to kill the titans and then presented marco's gear when they were inspected. Going by the manga it seems like it is possible to identify when a gear has been recently used so it makes sense that she would not present the one she used to kill the titans. What does not make sense is for her to not have used marco's gear to do it so as to present her own gear at the inspection. Then again it might have been that she did not know which one was which, even armin's way to tell was highly improbable.

You have to remember RAB were after the walls at the moment. It is possible marco overheard something or perhaps saw one of them transforming before backing out from destroying the wall (the armored titan did not appear to destroy the second part of the wall that time and armin did make the point that eren appearing could have caused that).

Armin speculated that Annie had to use the gear she is most comfortable with in order to kill those titans (Chapter 32 Page 29). You could probably speculate that most 3d gears are adjusted to fit its user. And Marco's gear isn't adjusted comfortably for Annie to kill those titans....O_O

 

[kkck]

http://fenglee.com/game/aog/
SnK game.
5 kills my personal best.

Cool stuff. I havent been able to go past the second kill. I find the controls to be a bit hard but I guess hard is the only way to go with this kind of thing. I like the game though.

 

[ImmortalZodd]

Well, it is in it's infant stage still, but I really like the new update, and on next one we're gonna have a deviant as well

 

[kkck]

Ah, so you are developing the game? Good job. I did notice there was something different the second time I play, the update seems to be a decent improvement (I also got to 4 kills). A deviant? That would definitely be hard considering how they work in the manga but I will definitely look forward to it.

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What I am particularly having trouble with is those small titans at this point. Its extremely difficult to get to those damn napes and avoid the attacks. I will get it eventually though...