Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

That's the whole point, it'll do damage but he'll just regenerate. Orochimaru is the most resilant character in this manga, he isn't going to be killed by a simple Rasengan or Kunai.

And if he summon Edo's like he did vs. Sarturobi Minato's only options would be to run or use the Death God thus killing himself.

Also if he tags Orochimaru's body, Orochimaru can spit up a new one with no tag on it. Knowing Minato's trick he wouldn't let him tag him again, and even if he did, rinse and repeat with the rebirth jutsu.

i disagree

minato could leave a healthy gash and then blow that gash wide open with a big rasengan

tobi is more resiliant than orochimaru bro

but oro is still haxxed at surviving, this does not make him immortal though

minato could definitely defeat him or at the very least force him to retreat

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

The Kyuubi regenerated his lung and a large portion of his chest cavity after Sasuke put a chidori through it. That kind of regeneration seems to be common among Jinchuriki considering they suffer Third Degree Burns after going Version 2.0 and as long as they are on good terms with their Biju they are instantly healed upon coming out of it.

I'm talking about when Kabuto messed up Naruto's heart and the chakra connecting to it, where Tsunade had to save Naruto.

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i disagree

minato could leave a healthy gash and then blow that gash wide open with a big rasengan

tobi is more resiliant than orochimaru bro

but oro is still haxxed at surviving, this does not make him immortal though

minato could definitely defeat him or at the very least force him to retreat

Tobi is NOT more resilient than Orochimaru, BRO.

Re-read Orochimaru's fight vs. Naruto, he should have been dead multiple times, got ripped in half and pulled himself back together, has been killed numerous times and yet keeps coming back.

Tobi was dying after suffering a single hole through the chest.

And Minato isn't forcing any Edo Tensei user like Orochimaru into retreat without sacrificing his own life in the process.

---------- Post added at 12:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:10 AM ----------

I'm talking about when Kabuto messed up Naruto's heart and the chakra connecting to it, where Tsunade had to save Naruto.

I'm aware of what you're talking about, and in that moment the Kyuubi had no influence over Naruto. With the Kyuubi now having free reign over Naruto's body, I assume he'd survive nearly anything. He's like Wolverine.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Minato has nothing that will sever her in two. She was literally crushed in two, and had no chakra left aferwards. There's a difference. She could have put her self back together but was more worried about healing everyone else.

And there is no probably, how would he even get the clay into the wounds with no working hands?

Mind you, he should have been dead just from losing one arm fighting Gaara. Their fight went on after he lost his first arm and didn't even seem fatigued.

did you not see him use his mout for clay several times?

tsunade doesnt have instant healing bro

a gash across her throat would cause death before she could heal

not to mention a rasengan or two would probably kill her

if you really believe tsunade would defeat minato i have to question your credibility

not to insult you, and i know i joke about minato beating impossible foes

but for you to tell me you really believe minato could not beat tsunade, soundly

you are basically saying minato is the weakest of all the hokages

and probably every other kage throughout history

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Free reign is irrelevant if the chakra can't reach the wounded area, which is why the Kyuubi couldn't save Naruto. It seems that severing chakra connection is one way to prevent the Kyuubi from doing anything to do that area. Kabuto came up with an ingenious way to kill Naruto, who'd have died without Tsunade.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Tobi is NOT more resilient than Orochimaru, BRO.

Re-read Orochimaru's fight vs. Naruto, he should have been dead multiple times, got ripped in half and pulled himself back together, has been killed numerous times and yet keeps coming back.

Tobi was dying after suffering a single hole through the chest.

And Minato isn't forcing any Edo Tensei user like Orochimaru into retreat without sacrificing his own life in the process.

---------- Post added at 12:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:10 AM ----------



I'm aware of what you're talking about, and in that moment the Kyuubi had no influence over Naruto. With the Kyuubi now having free reign over Naruto's body, I assume he'd survive nearly anything. He's like Wolverine.

who exactly could oro summon that would beat minato

its already been proven that oro cannot summon the kages at full power and control them

minato against a weaker hashirama edo or any other half powered edo isnt even a match

and minato would blast oro all to pieces with ftg rasengan combos that would be too fast for oro to counter

the only hope oro would have would be if he could use that white snake form

otherwise minato wins easily

orochimaru is overrated as far as power is concerned

he wants no part of the stronger characters of this manga

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

did you not see him use his mout for clay several times?

tsunade doesnt have instant healing bro

a gash across her throat would cause death before she could heal

not to mention a rasengan or two would probably kill her

if you really believe tsunade would defeat minato i have to question your credibility

not to insult you, and i know i joke about minato beating impossible foes

but for you to tell me you really believe minato could not beat tsunade, soundly

you are basically saying minato is the weakest of all the hokages

and probably every other kage throughout history

How would a gash across the throat kill her? Through blood loss. When your throat is cut you don't die a second later, have you ever taken a biology class? Even if her healing isn't near instant (which it is), she'd only need a few seconds to heal herself.

And once again, I never said Tsuande could beat Minato. Learn to read what I'm writing and stop replying so biasedly. I simply said that he could not defeat her because he lacks the means to kill her. In a draw out fight, all she'd need to do is hit him once to kill him, but I said the chances of her doing that are slim to none unless she tricked him somehow.

You fail to realize that just because someone is better fighter than someone does not mean they can defeat them. Minato is stronger than all the Hokages minus Hashirama. I think he'd beat Hiruzen and Tobirama. I don't think he can kill Tsuande.

So if you're trolling again, let me know. Otherwise educate yourself. Or we can do option 3 and I can just block you, a new favorite of mine on this site as I'm getting tried of a lot of people.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Free reign is irrelevant if the chakra can't reach the wounded area, which is why the Kyuubi couldn't save Naruto. It seems that severing chakra connection is one way to prevent the Kyuubi from doing anything to do that area. Kabuto came up with an ingenious way to kill Naruto, who'd have died without Tsunade.

kabuto is a dissapointment in my opinion

he never really beat anyone strong in the entire manga

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Free reign is irrelevant if the chakra can't reach the wounded area, which is why the Kyuubi couldn't save Naruto. It seems that severing chakra connection is one way to prevent the Kyuubi from doing anything to do that area. Kabuto came up with an ingenious way to kill Naruto, who'd have died without Tsunade.

The Kyuubi could take over, rip his heart out and grow a new one then lol.

Even if he can't do that, Kabuto and Tsuande are the only one's capable of doing such a thing to Naruto when he was 12. No one would ever come that close to doing something like that to him again. The only person fast enough is Obito, and he can't do that kind of thing (although he can probably suck Naruto's soul out).

Basically, by conventional means no one can kill Naruto.

---------- Post added at 12:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:20 AM ----------

who exactly could oro summon that would beat minato

its already been proven that oro cannot summon the kages at full power and control them

minato against a weaker hashirama edo or any other half powered edo isnt even a match

and minato would blast oro all to pieces with ftg rasengan combos that would be too fast for oro to counter

the only hope oro would have would be if he could use that white snake form

otherwise minato wins easily

orochimaru is overrated as far as power is concerned

he wants no part of the stronger characters of this manga

Not a matter of who, Edo Tensei shinobi are immortal and they don't go away even after the summoner is dead. Orochimaru summons a bunch of people and let's Minato tire fighting them. Even if Minato "kills" Orochimaru he'll come back to life.

And Orochimaru can use his White Snake form and the poison associated with it.

Just face it, your homeboy Minato isn't all he's cracked up to be.

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Getting out of Izanami isn't just about "knowing who you are", its about accepting your fate and the consequences of your actions.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/5
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/6

Basically you have to accept defeat to get out of Izanami, something that was used to teach humility to those who thought of themselves as invincible thanks to Izanagi.

To get out of the loop, Minato would basically need to surrender and aknowledge he got beaten. Itachi told this to Kabuto, but the latter refused to accept his deafeat and thus keeps on fighting the illusion. Thing is, Itachi told this to Kabuto because he wanted to save him... he would have no reason to do the same if its a deathmatch with Minato.

Itachi would have plenty of time to strike a killing blow before Minato figures out how to get out of that loop.

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

kabuto is a dissapointment in my opinion

he never really beat anyone strong in the entire manga

Jiraiya never defeated anyone of consequence in the manga either, is he a disappointment too?

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

How would a gash across the throat kill her? Through blood loss. When your throat is cut you don't die a second later, have you ever taken a biology class? Even if her healing isn't near instant (which it is), she'd only need a few seconds to heal herself.

And once again, I never said Tsuande could beat Minato. Learn to read what I'm writing and stop replying so biasedly. I simply said that he could not defeat her because he lacks the means to kill her. In a draw out fight, all she'd need to do is hit him once to kill him, but I said the chances of her doing that are slim to none unless she tricked him somehow.

You fail to realize that just because someone is better fighter than someone does not mean they can defeat them. Minato is stronger than all the Hokages minus Hashirama. I think he'd beat Hiruzen and Tobirama. I don't think he can kill Tsuande.

So if you're trolling again, let me know. Otherwise educate yourself. Or we can do option 3 and I can just block you, a new favorite of mine on this site as I'm getting tried of a lot of people.

im not trolling

if you dint understand that the vein and artery in the neck feed the brain its blood and oxygen i dont know what to say

i know how well tsunade can heal yet if she tries to heal herself after having her throat cut and then gets pummled with a rasengan

how well is she going to heal

and its not like minato is required to stop attacking after one or two attacks

i honestly believe power/brawler/taijutsu types like tsunade have absolutely zero chance of beating minato

the only way she could beat him is.if the giant slug spit some.acid on him

and i believe he would dodge that too

i know that slitting the throat isnt an instant kill

but its not like the blood loss from losing a limb

once the brain no longer has blood flow you are toast which would probably take less than a minute

---------- Post added at 11:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:28 PM ----------

Jiraiya never defeated anyone of consequence in the manga either, is he a disappointment too?

he forced itachi and kisame to retreat

they are both ridiculously strong

---------- Post added at 11:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 PM ----------

Getting out of Izanami isn't just about "knowing who you are", its about accepting your fate and the consequences of your actions.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/5
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/6

Basically you have to accept defeat to get out of Izanami, something that was used to teach humility to those who thought of themselves as invincible thanks to Izanagi.

To get out of the loop, Minato would basically need to surrender and aknowledge he got beaten. Itachi told this to Kabuto, but the latter refused to accept his deafeat and thus keeps on fighting the illusion. Thing is, Itachi told this to Kabuto because he wanted to save him... he would have no reason to do the same if its a deathmatch with Minato.

Itachi would have plenty of time to strike a killing blow before Minato figures out how to get out of that loop.

i disagree

izanami forces the target to relive a certain miment until they realize the error of their ways

pure souls who arent doing anything wrong would not even be affected

if i understand it right

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

im not trolling
if you dint understand that the vein and artery in the neck feed the brain its blood and oxygen i dont know what to say

Well only arteries feed oxygen.

The jugular veins, which are the big one's on are neck, are veins, they feed blood away from the brain. Veins in general don't have fresh oxygen following in the blood in them.

There are three main arteries in your neck that feed blood to the brain, they are the Anterior, Middle, and Posterior Cerebral arteries, and they are not the only arteries that feed blood to the brain.

So simply having her throat cut isn't going to do her in. Minato would have to damn near decapitate her, and even then I wouldn't put it past the best medic ever to heal herself.

he forced itachi and kisame to retreat

they are both ridiculously strong

He didn't force shit, Itachi was loyal to Konoha and made them retreat. Kisame and Itachi together would trounce J-man, let's not even get into that argument.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

The Kyuubi could take over, rip his heart out and grow a new one then lol.

Even if he can't do that, Kabuto and Tsuande are the only one's capable of doing such a thing to Naruto when he was 12. No one would ever come that close to doing something like that to him again. The only person fast enough is Obito, and he can't do that kind of thing (although he can probably suck Naruto's soul out).

Basically, by conventional means no one can kill Naruto.

---------- Post added at 12:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:20 AM ----------



Not a matter of who, Edo Tensei shinobi are immortal and they don't go away even after the summoner is dead. Orochimaru summons a bunch of people and let's Minato tire fighting them. Even if Minato "kills" Orochimaru he'll come back to life.

And Orochimaru can use his White Snake form and the poison associated with it.

Just face it, your homeboy Minato isn't all he's cracked up to be.

look just because we disagree doesnt mean you need resort to bashing or blocking me

minato is not some super monster like hashirama or madara

but he is still among the elite of this manga

and rasengans do way more damage than people give them credit for

even konohamarus rasengan took down one.of the paths of pain

i will admit that heavily armored foes like the raikage or kimimaro would be hard fights for minato

he would have to summon frogs and probably use some other jutsus that we never saw him use like elemental stuff

---------- Post added at 11:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:38 PM ----------

Well only arteries feed oxygen.

The jugular veins, which are the big one's on are neck, are veins, they feed blood away from the brain. Veins in general don't have fresh oxygen following in the blood in them.

There are three main arteries in your neck that feed blood to the brain, they are the Anterior, Middle, and Posterior Cerebral arteries, and they are not the only arteries that feed blood to the brain.

So simply having her throat cut isn't going to do her in. Minato would have to damn near decapitate her, and even then I wouldn't put it past the best medic ever to heal herself.



He didn't force shit, Itachi was loyal to Konoha and made them retreat. Kisame and Itachi together would trounce J-man, let's not even get into that argument.

i still disagree about tsunade

her healing wouldnt be fast enough to heal while fighting off a barrage of attacks

minatos speed would just be too muh for her

and no jman couldnt have beaten those two unless maybe and this is a big maybe

he went into the fight already in sage mode

but he did force a retreat because they were about to get digested

however i do agree that itachi never had any intention of fighting him or even capturing naruto

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

The Kyuubi could take over, rip his heart out and grow a new one then lol.

Even if he can't do that, Kabuto and Tsuande are the only one's capable of doing such a thing to Naruto when he was 12. No one would ever come that close to doing something like that to him again. The only person fast enough is Obito, and he can't do that kind of thing (although he can probably suck Naruto's soul out).

Basically, by conventional means no one can kill Naruto.

How can the Kyuubi do that though? All that requires chakra... it's like a blood vessel bein cut. No matter how much blood you pump, it's pointless if the blood doesn't get to the other side of the vessel.

True, though. Not many medical ninjas are that good enough nowadays, Naruto's abilities have increased so it should be harder to hit him. Plus, with the Kyuubi helping him, it's nearly impossible.

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

look just because we disagree doesnt mean you need resort to bashing or blocking me

minato is not some super monster like hashirama or madara

but he is still among the elite of this manga

and rasengans do way more damage than people give them credit for

even konohamarus rasengan took down one.of the paths of pain

i will admit that heavily armored foes like the raikage or kimimaro would be hard fights for minato

he would have to summon frogs and probably use some other jutsus that we never saw him use like elemental stuff

Lol you have no say in the matter if I want to block you, I've done it with a few people on this site who like to post nothing but nonsense.

Minato being among the Elite is true, doesn't change the fact that he's severely under-powered compared to those in the same "tier" as him. A Rasengan couldn't kill Kabuto because he began healing himself as soon as it hit. Tsuande is even faster and better at healing than him with her seal, so frankly I don't see how a kunai or Rasengan would kill her either.

I'd like to believe that as a Kage he had more to show than Minato has. But then again, 1) Tsuande only has super strength and healing 2) Raikage only has Nintaijutsu 3) Gaara only has Sand and his father only had Gold Dust. Shit Naruto is proof that incredibly powerful shinobi don't need a ton of techniques.

I'm not in the business of giving people the benefit of the doubt just because I like them. And I do like Minato a lot. It's just painfully obvious that until proven otherwise he has severe limitations.

You claim Tsuande would die after having her throat cut despite the fact she can heal it in seconds. She should have died from being crushed in half but was still alive and able to summon Katsuya.

So until proven otherwise, I'll never think Minato can kill anyone who has a good defense or world caliber healing skills. For the record, the list of people I think would beat him isn't that long, basically Kabuto, Itachi, Hashirama, Shusui, and Orochimaru. Sasuke, Madara and Naruto also have great chances of defeating him.

This manga is all about match-ups, and Minato has a few people he doesn't match up well against. Plain and simple.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i believe the kyuubi can help reduce healing times and immunity to illness by using his chakra to boost your healing or immune system

but im not sure about regeneration

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i still disagree about tsunade

her healing wouldnt be fast enough to heal while fighting off a barrage of attacks

minatos speed would just be too muh for her

and no jman couldnt have beaten those two unless maybe and this is a big maybe

he went into the fight already in sage mode

but he did force a retreat because they were about to get digested

however i do agree that itachi never had any intention of fighting him or even capturing naruto

Minato speed would be too much for I agree, but his barrage of attacks has a limit, he's not a stamina powerhouse.

And they weren't about to get digested, Itachi blew a hole in the wall of the Frog. They could have easily stayed and killed him. Hell Itachi could have summoned Sussano like he did against Nagato and ended everything by himself.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Lol you have no say in the matter if I want to block you, I've done it with a few people on this site who like to post nothing but nonsense.

Minato being among the Elite is true, doesn't change the fact that he's severely under-powered compared to those in the same "tier" as him. A Rasengan couldn't kill Kabuto because he began healing himself as soon as it hit. Tsuande is even faster and better at healing than him with her seal than him, so frankly I don't see how a kunai or Rasengan would kill her either.

I'd like to believe that as a Kage he had more to show than Minato has. But then again, 1) Tsuande only has super strength and healing 2) Raikage only has Nintaijutsu 3) Gaara only has Sand and his father only had Gold Dust. Shit Naruto is proof that incredibly powerful shinobi don't need a ton of techniques.

I'm not in the business of giving people the benefit of the doubt just because I like them. And I do like Minato a lot. It's just painfully obvious that until proven otherwise he has severe limitations.

You claim Tsuande would die after having her throat cut despite the fact she can heal it in seconds. She should have died from being crushed in half but was still alive and able to summon Katsuya.

So until proven otherwise, I'll never think Minato can kill anyone who has a good defense or world caliber healing skills. For the record, the list of people I think would beat him isn't that long, basically Kabuto, Itachi, Hashirama, Shusui, and Orochimaru. Sasuke, Madara and Naruto also have great chances of defeating him.

This manga is all about match-ups, and Minato has a few people he doesn't match up well against. Plain and simple.

i really dont care if you block me, however that seems like a cowards method of avoiding adversity

but tsunades healing could not keep up with a continuous chain of attacks

its not like shes majin boo

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i believe the kyuubi can help reduce healing times and immunity to illness by using his chakra to boost your healing or immune system

but im not sure about regeneration

Sasuke punched a hole through Naruto's chest cavity destroying muscle, bones, and most importantly one of his lungs and maybe part of his heart and Naruto regenerated fully.

He's got regeneration, so does Bee, hence why his skin grows back after burning it off down to the muscle when going Version 2.0.