Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2013-2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Schabrak]

Adding filler in between canon material is horrible, it's what destroys characters and paints a wrong or faulty picture of them. Full filler episodes at least gives me the choice to ignore them completely.

 

[101nemesis]

At least the episodes that are stretched out in One Piece are actual canon material. There are seasons (24+ episodes) in Bleach dedicated solely to pure filler (and no they were not interesting...unless you consider pointless fighting interesting). Probably another strong reason why the anime got cancelled and why it probably will not be coming back.

Think it is safe to say that the countless filler arcs is one of the reasons for the end of the anime. Because, if they had continued with it after the fullbring arc, they would have been forced to put out fillers for more than a year or two depending on how long this last arc would go on.
But then again, that's the reason why speculation rose that the anime could return once the manga is about to end , since then they won't need to put out any fillers.

Oh well, time will tell.

Btw, when would there be breaks in issues? In December or January? or both?

 

[k-dom]

Usually it is either issue 3-4 or 4-5. My guess is this time will be 4-5 since issue 1 will be the early in december but someone more knowledgeable can confirm.

As for anime, I think only hard core fan are still watching them. One Piece pace put me off a long time ago. And who would want to start a serie that has more than 600 episodes.

 

[Schabrak]

I never understood my friends who choose to watch all episodes instead of just reading. Too lazy to read, until we/they reached the last episodes and converted them to readers. It's sad they will never see how much better SnK in it's original form is though.

 

[k-dom]

Well the problem is that in France all critics said that the anime is better because they don't like the art... Which makes you worry about their taste.
But well I asked my local comic saler and he told me that both Attack on Titan and Terra Formars sale like crazy. Assassination Classroom is not a big hit on the contrary. But he showed me a huge panel of Koro sensei he was given and I was a bit jealous

 

[SharkBait]

Only way Shokugeki no Soma anime would be bad is if Toei got it, but I dont think its in line with their portfolio.

World Trigger ought to get an anime though itd probably be medaka box length or something (hoping for sket dance length)

Id want Assasination Classroom (wit studio) to be done like Bakuman anime, three seasons, and Shokugeki no Soma given the long running anime treatment (madhouse x production ig).

And Seraph of the End needs an anime, hope its done how BLue Exorcist was and of course one punch man (animated by the ones who did Code Breaker) too.

 

[101nemesis]

Only way Shokugeki no Soma anime would be bad is if Toei got it, but I dont think its in line with their portfolio.

World Trigger ought to get an anime though itd probably be medaka box length or something (hoping for sket dance length)

Id want Assasination Classroom (wit studio) to be done like Bakuman anime, three seasons, and Shokugeki no Soma given the long running anime treatment (madhouse x production ig).

And Seraph of the End needs an anime, hope its done how BLue Exorcist was and of course one punch man (animated by the ones who did Code Breaker) too.

I thought Blue exorcist was horribly adapted? Or was it only me?
If they are gonna give SnS the long treatment, then they should probably wait till 200 chapters or something. The last thing they need is a series infested with fillers.

 

[BobLeNolife]

They are not just aim for the high quality of anime; they are more concern about selling goods/merchandises that relate to the series. That's the main source for the company to make lots of money; the anime isn't only source on making money.

It is not just matter of quality of anime; it is also matter of making lots of money.

Actually it's a mix of all the income, yes the goods was maybe a big source of income but the DVD sales are also a big part of the thing too.

Spoiler

Daytime anime does not work the same as night time. DVD sales for daytime Jump anime are very low, almost non-existent. Even One Piece does not sell that well. Movies sell well, at least for a few series. Special collections, like the One Piece Log Collections, also sell well. Bleach sold respectably well by Jump standards. Those are low standards, and probably would not have been a major factor in deciding to end the anime. Kuroko and JoJo's were the best selling Jump anime of the last couple of years. Blu-ray usually outsell DVD, and most Jump anime are still not available on blu-ray, except for movies. New episodes of One Piece will not start coming out on blu-ray until 2014.

Anime BD and DVD's are expensive collectibles. BD's start at ¥5000 (about $50 American) for 2 - 4 episodes. DVD's are a little more reasonable, starting at around ¥3000, for 2 - 4 episodes. Sales per volume are always pretty low, even for the most popular series. It's a collectors market, with a small consumer base willing to pay premium prices. Sales alone are not a good way to determine anime popularity. It's usually obvious what's popular, without ever seeing sales figures. Think of it like American TV. I don't think anyone really needs to see DVD/BD sales or ratings to name the most popular shows. The same goes for anime. TV ratings are probably even less significant than sales. Honestly, I have no idea how anime make money, or how profitable they actually are.

Anime News Network posts DVD and BD sales every week, taken from Oricon. Here is this weeks blu-ray and DVD charts. BD sales are more important. DVD sales are always lower. Bleach episodes have never been released on blu-ray. Neither have One Piece, Toriko, Gintama, or Hunter x Hunter. Kuroko was a bestseller, so was JoJo's.

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Merchandise sales are meaningless. They also are sold to a relatively limited number of customers. The average person in Japan would not be caught dead with figurines (no offense to ant collectors reading). Merchandise is for otaku. The existence of merchandise is important. The more popular the anime, the more crap they're going to make. How well it sells is besides the point. They are marketed towards a limited market.

The 3 first season(the 63 first episode) Bleach DVD sold more than 10 000 per DVD, that's a lots even by Late-night anime standard. After that the sale dropped, but that normal every anime do that but the thing special about the Bleach anime is that it last so long with juste the DVD sales. I mean the main difference between the Kuroko no basket anime and the Bleach/One Piece/Naruto Anime is that the first season lasted 25 episode and that's it however the anime of bleach was ~50 episode per year for 7.5 year this is not even comparable, you can't compare a Anime with 25 episode per year and a Anime with 50.

Look at that graphic I made:

Spoiler

The drop is constant, the bleach anime end not because of the popularity of the manga, but because it reach it's life time. There was a leak at the time that say the anime would end after Aizen. And I think it was true, but the anime production team decide to extend the lifetime of the anime for a year, but with a smaller budget. The end of the anime was settle a YEARS before of the actual end.

Also, the possibility of a continuation of the anime is very low. But the case of Bleach closely resembles to the case of Saint Seiya, both have lost a lot of their popularity at the end. So if Saint Seiya successfuly get 3 season of OAV, I think that many year after the end of the manga, Bleach could maybe get a series of OAV. That just a long term bet, but for me it's the most plausible scenario for a return of the anime.

 

[clint74]

The final season of Inuyasha started after the end of the manga. I think with Bleach will be the same.

 

[Kaizou 10]

The final season of Inuyasha started after the end of the manga. I think with Bleach will be the same.

I agree. The only arc that didn't get animated is the final arc and the anime will catch the manga's story very quickly, unless there going to be a bunch of fillers or another anime original arc.

So, I think Bleach's anime will return possibly either when Bleach ends or near the climax. Well, there is a chance that they'll end the anime and manga together, like Fullmetal Alchemist.

 

[SharkBait]

Well the problem is that in France all critics said that the anime is better because they don't like the art... Which makes you worry about their taste.
But well I asked my local comic saler and he told me that both Attack on Titan and Terra Formars sale like crazy. Assassination Classroom is not a big hit on the contrary. But he showed me a huge panel of Koro sensei he was given and I was a bit jealous

I thought assassination classroom would be a huge hit in western world, people there don't like it or something?

 

[Txapeldun]

World Trigger ought to get an anime though itd probably be medaka box lenght or something (hoping for sket dance lenght).

WT getting an anime? That's way too soon to tell. Plus, with the current ratings, I don't think it'll last so long to get an adaptation. It will be a moderate hit, like Psyren was, but things must change A LOT for WT to have an anime. It will probably end next year if it doesn't improve.

 

[Kaizou 10]

WT getting an anime? That's way too soon to tell. Plus, with the current ratings, I don't think it'll last so long to get an adaptation. It will be a moderate hit, like Psyren was, but things must change A LOT for WT to have an anime. It will probably end next year if it doesn't improve.

Well, I'm also not sure about WT getting an anime or not, but I don't think it really isn't doing that bad. It is often getting from either good to moderate rating for past weeks; so, I think it is bit too early to assume that WT going to end soon.

 

[SharkBait]

WT getting an anime? That's way too soon to tell. Plus, with the current ratings, I don't think it'll last so long to get an adaptation. It will be a moderate hit, like Psyren was, but things must change A LOT for WT to have an anime. It will probably end next year if it doesn't improve.

Whoever was in the position to decide probably regretted their decision to not get Psyren an anime, wasted potential.

But is it truly way too soon? By even next spring, based on the plot, thered be enough content for a 26 episode anime.

 

[Leoat12]

World Trigger is an action manga and this genre has a history of bad endings on animes, so I think it's more reasonable wait more time until make an anime to the series.
But time is a problem for World Trigger, the series is not what we can call a success and Jump is a fierce battle. If it can survive longer is uncertain yet. Also, the series must have popularity to catch the attention of a studio.

 

[Stark700]

Well, I'm also not sure about WT getting an anime or not, but I don't think it really isn't doing that bad. It is often getting from either good to moderate rating for past weeks; so, I think it is bit too early to assume that WT going to end soon.

Idk about soon either, but let's see how the sales for the next volume are. Based on how the "rankings" are, I'd expect AT LEAST 35,000 sales in its first week on the oricon comic chart, as it should accumulate 4-5 days worth of sales.
It comes out on December 4 so oricon would count the sales from Dec 4-8.
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-870863-8

Volume 2 came out on September 4 and had 4-5 days worth of sales. the Comic ranking for vol 2 counted sales up until Sept 8.
http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-870841-6
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-12/japanese-comic-ranking-september-2-8

We may be able gauge how much more popular the series is based on the sales for volume 3. I'd think the number should be over 40,000 or so actually.

 

[SharkBait]

World Trigger is an action manga and this genre has a history of bad endings on animes, so I think it's more reasonable wait more time until make an anime to the series.
But time is a problem for World Trigger, the series is not what we can call a success and Jump is a fierce battle. If it can survive longer is uncertain yet. Also, the series must have popularity to catch the attention of a studio.

I think time is limited, if they wait too long then it could become another Code Breaker/Arata the Legend, adaption (one that either ends too short or worst tries to adapt so much in super fast fashion)

 

[Leoat12]

I think time is limited, if they wait too long then it could become another Code Breaker/Arata the Legend, adaption (one that either ends too short or worst tries to adapt so much in super fast fashion)

That's what I said about studios. IIRC Code: Breaker and Arata aren't so much popular, despite of their respectful sales for Magazine's and Sunday's standards, but it was not enough to the studios put much confidence on them to make longer animes.
World Trigger must get more popularity, this the priority right now, anime is for the future.

 

[Schabrak]

I thought assassination classroom would be a huge hit in western world, people there don't like it or something?

A classroom full of kids learning to kill in a country that's plagued by school massacres. No it certainly had no big chances to begin with to reach any big masses.

A WT anime? But not until a couple years into it's life with fights spread over three/four/five chapters.

Whoever was in the position to decide probably regretted their decision to not get Psyren an anime, wasted potential.

You monster! Don't remind me of Psyren, such a shame it got cancelled.

 

[Kaizou 10]

World Trigger must get more popularity, this the priority right now, anime is for the future.

Just getting a good reception in Jump will lead WT to get more popular. I think WT has no problem to reach same popularity as Sket Dance and Medaka Box.

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That's what I said about studios. IIRC Code: Breaker and Arata aren't so much popular, despite of their respectful sales for Magazine's and Sunday's standards, but it was not enough to the studios put much confidence on them to make longer animes.

I don't really think Arata does even have respectful sales on Sunday's standards.