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[ChinkyCandie]

Newbie here.

1. Kazuya Tokugawa - He deserves this place. His dream is to be a professional player, played tennis since 5 YO. Byodoin crushed his dreams upon his first time at the camp. And he has restlessly trained himself to try and defeat him. If you ask me, this is similar to Ryoma and his father.
2. Shuji Tanegashima - Need a guy who can nullify all special moves.
3. Duke Watanabe - Duke Homerun. End of argument.
4. Hoo Byodoin - Having a guy who can crush walls is useful (but mean)
5. Ryoma Echizen - I think its sort of obvious, as central character, he's not allowed to lose official matches.
6. Jujiroh Oni - His demon form = :O
7. Genichiro Sanada - He has trained hard in the mountains. Like Kazuya, deserves some recognition for hard training.
8. Kanata Irie - Act weak then crush your pride.
9. Kuranosuke Shiraishi - He needs to be in the top 10. Bible and perfect tennis.
10. Keigo Atobe - He's a really hard-working player. Deserves recognition.
11. Masaharu Nio - Same as Atobe.
12. Yukimura Seiichi - Someone who can take aways your senses is always helpful to have around.
13. Ryoga Echizen - Extra cocky player to infuriate others and to tease Ryoma from time to time for humour.
14. Kintaro Toyama - Wild Tennis & Unpredictablity will make him a good opponent.
15. Eishiro Kite - Same as Atobe, especially since the Nationals, he has developed more.
16. Shusuke Fuji - Need a genius somewhere.
17. Kirihara Akaya - He has grown since Nationals -> U-17 Camp.
18. Yudai Yamato - Charismatic and needs someone to explain things to their opponent that will react "huh"?
19. Yushi Oshitari - He deserves a position. Rather a forgotten character. Closed Mind would be his best bet.
20. Tsukimitsu Ochi - Mach Serve + mental assassin = pwned

Also, I've read around - What's with everyone saying Tokugawa will either forfeit and Ryoma will play against Byodoin or that Tokugawa will win but Ryoma will beat him shortly? Harsh don't you think? In all fairness, it'll be fairly stupid if he trains relentlessly and still loses. The build-up would have been a complete waste of Konomi's time effort.

 

[Hardy]

Also, I've read around - What's with everyone saying Tokugawa will either forfeit and Ryoma will play against Byodoin or that Tokugawa will win but Ryoma will beat him shortly? Harsh don't you think? In all fairness, it'll be fairly stupid if he trains relentlessly and still loses. The build-up would have been a complete waste of Konomi's time effort.

2 words: Akutsu, Sanada.

Welcome btw, nice list ^^

 

[Philia]

Also, I've read around - What's with everyone saying Tokugawa will either forfeit and Ryoma will play against Byodoin or that Tokugawa will win but Ryoma will beat him shortly? Harsh don't you think? In all fairness, it'll be fairly stupid if he trains relentlessly and still loses. The build-up would have been a complete waste of Konomi's time effort.

Hardy pointed out Sanada & Akutsu. You can also add Kintarou here.

Considering Tokugawa's stats he's likely to lose against several Msers. I don't see him beating Byoudoin. Tokugawa trained hard & improved a lot. But don't you think Byoudoin did too? Also, Byoudoin was introduced as #1 in Japan. Don't you think its harsh to make him lose his first official match?

 

[ChinkyCandie]

@ Hardy & Phillia: I know they lost but they haven't been at the camp as long as Tokugawa has. Since his utter defeat, he has been training non-stop for his rematch against Byodoin. I find the only way Tokugawa will win is if he unlocks PoP. He's too serious and needs to learn how to have fun. He worked hard to get where he is now. He deserves some more recognition for his effort.

That's why I included Sanada, Atobe, and Kite in my list. They have developed a lot since the nationals. Their strong will to win is what makes me like these characters. That's why I want Tokugawa to win. His determination. I also relate to him too. I've had a dream, had it crushed, only to prove them wrong (took awhile).

@ Hardy thank you for the welcome.

 

[Philia]

@ Hardy & Phillia: I find the only way Tokugawa will win is if he unlocks PoP. He's too serious and needs to learn how to have fun. He worked hard to get where he is now. He deserves some more recognition for his effort.

Byoudoin don't seem to have any fear about PoP. Its safe to say he's better than Oni. So, I don't think PoP will be much of a threat against him.
I agree Tokugawa deserves to be a G10 member. But I don't think that he should be given #1 spot straight away.

 

[ChinkyCandie]

Well, I don't think Byodoin has reached PoP level yet. We have no idea why he plays tennis. What we do know is that he has travelled around the world improving his tennis skills.

We now know Ryoma and Kintaro play tennis for fun, Tokugawa wants to be a professional tennis player, Tezuka will become one at the age of 25 (official artwork), Atobe might as well, Yukimura is beginning to play tennis for fun. These characters should have the most potential to evolve further. Whether Konomi agrees is a different story.

If anything, Tokugawa should start off as No. 4/5 then work his way up.

 

[Hardy]

Byoudouin is surely above PoP level.

Oni without PoP did a return ace against PoP Kintarou, and we know that the no.1 is around Oni's level or even better. Even Ryoma knows that he NEEDS to learn the glowing shot to even stand a chance against Byoudouin (from now on I'll call him Houou, seriously his name is ridiculous...)

 

[-Ken-]

Byoudouin is surely above PoP level.

Oni without PoP did a return ace against PoP Kintarou, and we know that the no.1 is around Oni's level or even better. Even Ryoma knows that he NEEDS to learn the glowing shot to even stand a chance against Byoudouin (from now on I'll call him Houou, seriously his name is ridiculous...)

What I think is that Oni in that state when he return ace was in the "state" of PoP. We seen it before, like what Ryoma enters during his match with Kintarou. It is also possible that Tezuka was in this state a few moments before he enters his PoP.

And Kintarou manage to keep his service game against PoP Oni.

 

[ChinkyCandie]

I always thought that PoP was the ultimate, undefeatable state. Oh well.

@Hardy. Some sites call him Hoo. Confused on what his name should be.

 

[Philia]

We are yet to see anything that beats PoP. But I have a feeling Byoudoin & Ryoga(If he plays PoP Ryoma) will show something better than PoP.

 

[ChinkyCandie]

I've never seen so much pessimism for one character - Tokugawa - after reading this whole thread. Everyone is blinded by the fact they think his reasoning for wanting to beat Byodoin is pathetic, but if you really think about it, it's not. If you have dreams/goals and had it crushed, you would want the same thing or prove them wrong. That's what Tokugawa is doing. Not playing favouritisms, but hardwork should be recognised. My 1st stringers list consist of mainly hardworkers.

Byodoin and Ryoga probably don't need PoP or anything stronger. They're powerful as they are. But they don't play tennis for fun but are dedicated players.

 

[Ninomiya]

But working incredibly hard in PoT is the norm. There is nothing special about working hard to defeat your senpai in PoT. Nothing.
So for Tokugawa's big resolve to only be "I must beat Byoudouin", its real disappointing.
There are people trying to take Japanese tennis forward here, but this talented guy just wants to defeat someone who kicked his ass.
All this tension centred around him yet Byoudouin doesn't even recognise him as a rival.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tokugawa just loses in the end. Its a shame but this is just a more or less one-sided-rivalry.
There are bunch of hard-workers in PoT.

 

[ChinkyCandie]

Well, from what I've read in the manga, Tokugawa wants to defeat Byodoin because he's the first person ever to defeat Tokugawa effortlessly. Its not because he wants the No. 1 badge. Probably just a plus. Also because Tokugawa had his dream of being a professional tennis player shattered by this one person. I don't see Tokugawa and Byodoin a one-sided rivalry. If you ask me, he seems to be the high schooler version of Ryoma.
Ryoma kept losing and strives to defeat his father and Tezuka, which he eventually did right at the end of the anime. Whose to say Tokugawa won't? Working hard to beat your senpai may payoff (to some people)

 

[floman]

Think about it Tokugawa does have to ability to win this match. In the list Kaoz showed he was rated higher than Oni. Oni was the original number five who was considered even with the number two, therefore Tokugawa is above the level of number 2. I guess he could challenge number one but I don't see him winning in this case (Ryoma never beat Tezuka in the manga). Also we know barely anything about Tokugawa.

 

[Kaoz]

@Airgrimes
I don't think it's right to call the rivalry one-sided, since in the fanbook it says in Byoudouin's profile that his and Tokugawa's fates are connected.

@floman
Shouldn't assume Kijin!Oni for that list. Nobody had seen it before the Kintarou match.

 

[floman]

Yeah but didn't we establish (with the information we were provided) that Tanegamishima played evenly against non-kijin Oni?

 

[Kaoz]

Wait, I'm confused. Which list are you referring to?

 

[LetalHawk]

Yeah but didn't we establish (with the information we were provided) that Tanegamishima played evenly against non-kijin Oni?

Yeah, basically, 10 ball + BjK Oni. Obviously Tanegashima didn't lose against him because of evident reasons, but I think it's pretty clear that Oni didn't show his true skills until his rematch against Kintarou, as mentioned by Byodouin.

If Oni and Tanegashima were to play again right now, Oni should win without too much problems.

 

[floman]

Wait, I'm confused. Which list are you referring to?

Spoiler

http://mangafox.me/manga/new_prince_of_tennis/v06/c050/10.html

This list. Since Tokugawa is rated higher than 10 ball BJK Oni, and Tanegamishima was even with 10 ball BJK Oni, Tokugawa must be > Tanegamishima

 

[Kaoz]

This list. Since Tokugawa is rated higher than 10 ball BJK Oni, and Tanegamishima was even with 10 ball BJK Oni, Tokugawa must be > Tanegamishima

Well, we don't have any great support for saying that Tanegashima didn't play against Kijin!Oni, it's just a theory. We'll probably have a better idea of Tokugawa's strength in about two weeks though.