Football 2014 FIFA World Cup - Part 1

Hardy · Jul 9, 2014

Mohsen said:
And Messi should go back to the right wing that is where he played the best instead of a flase 9 or a 10.

You waste a lot of his potential if you just corner him.

We have a playmaker in Messi, I think that's enough :XD

jorped · Jul 9, 2014

Hardy said:
How is our midfield worse than theirs? Same with our defense, names aside?

Wow common dude in individual terms that's really obvious. The gap is huge.

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Anyway, the game today will tell a lot. I will be here after to make some comments :3c

Mohsen · Jul 9, 2014

Hardy said:
You waste a lot of his potential if you just corner him.

We have a playmaker in Messi, I think that's enough

In Argentina he doesn't have a Dani Alves,Iniesta,Xavi and usquetes that harmonize so good with him.
And Barca when they played with a real 9 such as Eto and Messi dribbled on the wing.

Hardy · Jul 9, 2014

jorped said:
Wow common dude in individual terms that's really obvious. The gap is huge.

How? They don't have someone as good as Mascherano, they don't have a playmaker like Messi, they don't have a Di María, and Biglia adds balance next to Mascherano (something that Brazil doesn't have).

In defense, they are only better as names, not in performance.

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Mohsen said:
In Argentina he doesn't have a Dani Alves,Iniesta,Xavi and usquetes that harmonize so good with him.
And Barca when they played with a real 9 such as Eto and Messi dribbled on the wing.

When Gago wasn't absolute shit he used to be a pretty good partner with him (in fact, he was THE partner for Messi). There's also Higuaín, Agüero (they aren't best friends just cause) Di María that really understand him.

Yeah, back then when Ronaldinho also played, we don't have a Ronaldinho do we?

Mohsen · Jul 9, 2014

Hardy said:
How? They don't have someone as good as Mascherano, they don't have a playmaker like Messi, they don't have a Di María, and Biglia adds balance next to Mascherano (something that Brazil doesn't have).

In defense, they are only better as names, not in performance.

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When Gago wasn't absolute shit he used to be a pretty good partner with him (in fact, he was THE partner for Messi). There's also Higuaín, Agüero (they aren't best friends just cause) Di María that really understand him.

Yeah, back then when Ronaldinho also played, we don't have a Ronaldinho do we?

Sadly yes that is why i miss players such as Riquelme,Ortega and Veron in his prime. I also wish that Argentina would once again bring fourth a striker like Batistuta.
The problem I see with Agüero is that his playing style is similair to Messi's and no team needs two indentical strikers/players on the field.
Doesn't Argentina not have one player who comes anywhere near the playing style of Riquelma in their own ligue such as in Boca Juniors or River Plate?

Hardy · Jul 9, 2014

Mohsen said:
Sadly yes that is why i miss players such as Riquelme,Ortega and Veron in his prime. I also wish that Argentina would once again bring fourth a striker like Batistuta.
The problem I see with Agüero is that his playing style is similair to Messi's and no team needs two indentical strikers/players on the field.
Doesn't Argentina not have one player who comes anywhere near the playing style of Riquelma in their own ligue such as in Boca Juniors or River Plate?

Agüero isn't really like Messi, he doesn't make a lot of plays for others... I find Tévez a bit more similar to Leo tbh.

Riquelme is still playing in Boca :XD

River has Lanzini but he's nowhere close to be National team level (and now apparently we signed Pisculichi... closer to Riquelme but still, not even close to national level). Ricky Álvarez and Lamela are the closest to what you're looking for I guess (Álvarez has been called).

Saintz0r · Jul 9, 2014

What you think about D'Alessandro and Conca?
I know the brasileirão is hardly the best league in the world, but Conca manages to give assistances to Fred and make him score lol

Mohsen · Jul 9, 2014

Hardy said:
Agüero isn't really like Messi, he doesn't make a lot of plays for others... I find Tévez a bit more similar to Leo tbh.

Riquelme is still playing in Boca River has Lanzini but he's nowhere close to be National team level (and now apparently we signed Pisculichi... closer to Riquelme but still, not even close to national level). Ricky Álvarez and Lamela are the closest to what you're looking for I guess (Álvarez has been called).

Then it would be about time that Alvarez gets a chance to playso that Messi can concentrate on attacking and creating chances without having to worry about creating the game.

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Saintz0r said:
What you think about D'Alessandro and Conca?
I know the brasileirão is hardly the best league in the world, but Conca manages to give assistances to Fred and make him score lol

D'Alessandro is a great layer but at a time he stopped advancing and stayed a talent instead of becoming a star. Argentina has a few such players who never get to unleash their full potential. One other famous example would be Aimar.

Hardy · Jul 9, 2014

Saintz0r said:
What you think about D'Alessandro and Conca?
I know the brasileirão is hardly the best league in the world, but Conca manages to give assistances to Fred and make him score lol

D'alessandro is way past his prime. My dad wanted him for the National team (we kinda lack of a really good freekick taker -not counting Messi- and well, he's biased because of River Plate) but I doubt he really has the proper level atm.

Conca is kind of the same case, except that he was never as good as Andrés.

Mohsen said:
D'Alessandro is a great layer but at a time he stopped advancing and stayed a talent instead of becoming a star. Argentina has a few such players who never get to unleash their full potential. One other famous example would be Aimar.

Aimar reached his best level at Valencia tho. He's arguably the best player in their history.

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Mohsen said:
Then it would be about time that Alvarez gets a chance to playso that Messi can concentrate on attacking and creating chances without having to worry about creating the game.

But in order to do that you'll have to sit Lavezzi, and you'll lose a player on the left that can defend and attack at the same time (you'll have 3 players that don't do shit while defending), you lose a lot of balance.

Mohsen · Jul 9, 2014

Hardy said:
D'alessandro is way past his prime. My dad wanted him for the National team (we kinda lack of a really good freekick taker -not counting Messi- and well, he's biased because of River Plate) but I doubt he really has the proper level atm.

Conca is kind of the same case, except that he was never as good as Andrés.

Aimar reached his best level at Valencia tho. He's arguably the best player in their history.

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But in order to do that you'll have to sit Lavezzi, and you'll lose a player on the left that can defend and attack at the same time (you'll have 3 players that don't do shit while defending), you lose a lot of balance.

Well Aimar played good but still under his potential. He had it in himself to get into the realm of Zidane,Figo,Pirlo and co but he stopped advancing.

If I were Sabella I would play with the following team:
Goal: Romeiro
Defense:Zabaleta,Demichiles,Garay,left winger
Midfield:Mascherano,Biglia and Alvarez
Attack:Higuian,Lavezzi and Messi.

So in my formation their is still a place for lavezzi.

Hardy · Jul 9, 2014

Mohsen said:
If I were Sabella I would play with the following team:
Goal: Romeiro
Defense:Zabaleta,Demichiles,Garay,left winger
Midfield:Mascherano,Biglia and Alvarez
Attack:Higuian,Lavezzi and Messi.

So in my formation their is still a place for lavezzi.

I'm pretty sure Enzo will play today instead of Álvarez. That team you just posted has even less balance :XD

On a different topic:

Yeah Robben is by far the best. If only Messi was bald.

Mohsen · Jul 9, 2014

Hardy said:
I'm pretty sure Enzo will play today instead of Álvarez. That team you just posted has even less balance

On a different topic:

Yeah Robben is by far the best. If only Messi was bald.

from the stats you posted we can see that Messi never ran full speed in this WC. Cause I'm pretty sure Messi is faster on 100m. Robin needs 11 seconds for 100m and Messi needs 10,7 seconds so yeah messi and Argenitina were taking it easy the whole time.

jorped · Jul 9, 2014

Brazil does have someone better than Mascherano ... his name is Fernando. And he has now signed for Manchester City after playing for 7 years on my team!
We almost had him playing for us this WC! :derp

scav · Jul 9, 2014

i expected more action, getting sleepy

xi0 · Jul 9, 2014

Dutch team looks pretty uninspired, honestly

jorped · Jul 9, 2014

If the game keeps going like this i expect Argentina to win honestly.
Netherlands midfield has yet to have a positive impact on the game.

Boring game!

FrostyMouse · Jul 9, 2014

Offsides.

zelllogan · Jul 9, 2014

FrostyMouse said:
Offsides.

Not so sure it was. Was there a replay?
I'm half asleep in front of the game.
Germany needs to win this competition, any other result would gave us a poor winner.