Shounen History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi by Matsuena Syun

[kkck]

Looking at the manga perhaps the case can be made that it started going downhill at about the time the fights with yami got relevant. The reason being that kenichi himself got irrelevant to the grand scheme of the plot. Specially after the kano sho arc, after that one master fights got specially relevant. Before that the manga was about kenichi overcoming bullying and progressing through martial arts, it was about his own struggle. But then with the advent of yami things changed in the manga. Master fights were awesome however the issue is that kenichi did not have a role to play in them. Kenichi's fights early in the manga were important because they contributed to the grand scheme of the plot which was actually about kenichi. Then this happened.

From that point onward the manga stopped being about kenichi and overcoming his own limitations. Of course, that was a factor in the manga BUT it was no longer what the manga was about. From that point onward kenichi started fighting but in an entirely different context from before. Kenichi was taking stand against a massive evil organization that aimed for destruction. His masters took the stage and they fought against them with all they had. However as the manga advanced it was clear that the whole thing was a vanity project for both sides. Yami didn't have to fight ryozampaku, they did so because of the katsujinken, because of some principle. As I said, a vanity project. Kenichi's did have a bit of the overcoming his limitations but ultimately their importance was in said vanity project for both sides. The ryozampaku guys genuinely thought they were fighting against yami however they were ultimately a group of 6 people who through 99% did not even slightly dent yami. Alexander, diego, and multiple yami were defeated but not a single defeat even slightly caused damage to yami. And kenichi fought the disciples but that ultimately meant nothing because it contributed nothing to the grand plot of fighting yami 99% of the time. I mean, kenichi beat boris, ethan, kokin, radit and several others but that never actually hindered yami's plans. In fact, it was conceptually impossible for it to actually hinder yami in any way. Even the events from when he fought kokin were not all that relevant. At best it mildly annoyed yami. And it was nijima who actually did all the work, kenichi was fighting a battle that did not necessarily have to be fought.

And then we get to the end of the manga. The forces of good and evil join in a massive all out war when every man and woman counts. Kenichi gets to be important to the grand scheme of things because he is the only one that can stop kajima from killing nijima. Kenichi wins but the missile is fired anyways which beats the purpose of the entire and dumps the corpse in a septic tank. And the elder comes out miraculously and saves the day. Kenichi's only real accomplishment gets vastly overshadowed by irrelevance and the sheer absurdity the elder represents. The main issue with the manga is that it turned its plot and main character for close to 300 chapters into a weak subplot and a vanity project. It killed the actual importance of the main character. And it ends with kenichi supposedly becoming a master in the future, with kenichi finally attaining relevance... and we never get to see it. This was a great story but 300 chapters ago it completely deviated from its plot of a young boy struggling to overcome bullying and finding his inner strength and it turned into a manga about fighting a massive evil organization. However by the end of it it was neither.

 

[jimtors]

HSD. Great series.. Nice story brilliant art and fan service but that ending.... I will definitely remember.. Even air gear's end is better.rofl

 

[Ryuzaki L]

Anyone knows what's going on this page?

Spoiler

This is what's on that page, if anyone interested

 

[XXGenesis]

Looking at the manga perhaps the case can be made that it started going downhill at about the time the fights with yami got relevant. The reason being that kenichi himself got irrelevant to the grand scheme of the plot. Specially after the kano sho arc, after that one master fights got specially relevant. Before that the manga was about kenichi overcoming bullying and progressing through martial arts, it was about his own struggle. But then with the advent of yami things changed in the manga. Master fights were awesome however the issue is that kenichi did not have a role to play in them. Kenichi's fights early in the manga were important because they contributed to the grand scheme of the plot which was actually about kenichi. Then this happened.

Heavily disagree with your statements here..Your referring to the very beginning of the manga where Kenichi learns martial arts for self defense agaisnt bullies. As he takes down a few bullies he stumbles upon A group of martial artist delinquents..Who happen to have links to Yami already.

The story progress and evolved. Kenichi was already stronger or could beat most of the bullies around especially after Ragnorok who were Misguided marial artist the story had to go somewhere after he defeated Ryuto.

From that point onward the manga stopped being about kenichi and overcoming his own limitations. Of course, that was a factor in the manga BUT it was no longer what the manga was about. From that point onward kenichi started fighting but in an entirely different context from before. Kenichi was taking stand against a massive evil organization that aimed for destruction. His masters took the stage and they fought against them with all they had. However as the manga advanced it was clear that the whole thing was a vanity project for both sides. Yami didn't have to fight ryozampaku, they did so because of the katsujinken, because of some principle. As I said, a vanity project. Kenichi's did have a bit of the overcoming his limitations but ulteimately their importance was in said vanity project for both sides. The ryozampaku guys genuinely thought they were fighting against yami however they were ultimately a group of 6 people who through 99% did not even slightly dent yami. Alexander, diego, and multiple yami were defeated but not a single defeat even slightly caused damage to yami. And kenichi fought the disciples but that ultimately meant nothing because it contributed nothing to the grand plot of fighting yami 99% of the time. I mean, kenichi beat boris, ethan, kokin, radit and several others but that never actually hindered yami's plans. In fact, it was conceptually impossible for it to actually hinder yami in any way. Even the events from when he fought kokin were not all that relevant. At best it mildly annoyed yami. And it was nijima who actually did all the work, kenichi was fighting a battle that did not necessarily have to be fought.

Aside from disagreeing Im not understanding your point of view on the manga .
Kenichi after meeting Kanon Shou was clearly out of his league and we were very much aware of this from numerous characters dialogue. His masters and najima hacking and secret connects made it clear Kenichi was in major danger poppin up on Yomi/Yami's radar...

This simply was the transition of the manga getting more serious and a new world opening up.
Kenichi uphill battle from here was surving the diciple fights and random Yami attacks by other teens; While his masters who were also quite evidently at a disadvantage going up against the fictional martial arts illuminati society....

Kenichi the Strongest Disciple. The story didn't stray from anything he was beating the disciples while also trying to befriend them and change their satsujiken ways. Kenichi and other characters were steadily being developed through Yami encounters

 

[kkck]

Heavily disagree with your statements here..Your referring to the very beginning of the manga where Kenichi learns martial arts for self defense agaisnt bullies. As he takes down a few bullies he stumbles upon A group of martial artist delinquents..Who happen to have links to Yami already.

The story progress and evolved. Kenichi was already stronger or could beat most of the bullies around especially after Ragnorok who were Misguided marial artist the story had to go somewhere after he defeated Ryuto.



Aside from disagreeing Im not understanding your point of view on the manga .
Kenichi after meeting Kanon Shou was clearly out of his league and we were very much aware of this from numerous characters dialogue. His masters and najima hacking and secret connects made it clear Kenichi was in major danger poppin up on Yomi/Yami's radar...

This simply was the transition of the manga getting more serious and a new world opening up.
Kenichi uphill battle from here was surving the diciple fights and random Yami attacks by other teens; While his masters who were also quite evidently at a disadvantage going up against the fictional martial arts illuminati society....

Kenichi the Strongest Disciple. The story didn't stray from anything he was beating the disciples while also trying to befriend them and change their satsujiken ways. Kenichi and other characters were steadily being developed through Yami encounters

How can you disagree with my point of view if you do not understand it?

Anyways, my point is that kenichi went from being a relevant main character in his own manga to being completely irrelevant for the later half. When kenichi was fighting bullies it was all about him, about overcoming his own weakness. Basically an underdog story. Then with yami introduced as a massive evil organization things changed, significantly. In the link I mention kajima makes a point why they are fighting ryozampaku. They are not fighting because they have to, they do it exclusively for pride. For the most part, yami could have mostly avoided fights with ryozampaku and they would have never known better. The battles themselves did not actually contribute to yami's schemes or anything of the sort, they were battles fought exclusively for pride. This got so absurd that through the manga we see how not hindered yami ultimately was by the defeat of their members. Heck, the ryozampaku guys won against sogetsu, agaard, alexander and deigo, tied with akira, and junazad died and none of that actually put a stop to their plans nor succeded is somewhat slowing them doing. We actually see how akira, sougetsu and agaard simply go back to yami after being defeated as if nothing happened. Junazad dies but that actually benefits yami. Nothing ryozampaku does through the manga is relevant in the least in stopping yami's plans.

And then that leads us to kenichi, the main character with a profoundly secondary role. If his masters were irrelevant, where does that leave kenichi? What does the outcome of his deathfights with the yomi mean to yami? The answer is, absolutely nothing at all. Kenichi's victories merely succeeded at hurting the pride of his enemies and their masters. The only instance where kenichi kinda made a difference but didn't was when he fought kajima. Which was ultimately pointless because sensui could use a remote trigger to simply fire the rocket and immolate himself. And then the elder absurdly saved the day. Kenichi's victory did not really meant that much in the end. He got to live but everything he accomplished was overshadowed by a remote control and the elder.

Kenichi indeed became the strongest disciple but that is hardly the point. Kenichi was largely irrelevant to the grand plot of the manga, to stopping yami. Kenichi was merely a vanity project, he fought a bunch of battles of which the outcome did not affect the grand scheme of things.

 

[XXGenesis]

Your warranted to your feelings and No I don't entirely understand them but what little I do understand your dislike is sort of un warranted.

Kenichi went from being bullied,no friends and worthless, to meeting Mui and at 1st mostly lucky at beating the bullies.
Najima(w/e alien kid) mixes Kenpachi up with Deliquents that practice martial arts, Kenichi practices develop more and more so he can defend himself and beat the Deliquents. He does so and makes most of them his friend.....At this point Kenichi fights and martial arts prowness where at Best competitors level or teen professional competition.

He's now on Yomi's/Yami's radar and a Satsujiken disciple lost against Ryozabpaku the poster children Katsujiken. This starts a war/ skirmish between the two as the Eternal Sunset Countdown begins....
Kenichi is targeted by Yomi's disciples...Ryozabpaku tells Kenichi he should stop practicing martial arts because if he'll continue he's stepping into a different world...(The world Satsujiken vs Katsujiken/ Master vs Master/Disciple vs Disciple where death is very real..Kenichi continues on because he wants to protect his friends and the weak..

He beats Yomi's disciples befriending a few. And continues this pattern as Ryozanpaku fights a losing battle, if you think it's better to let wild weeds grow and become rampant...they win battles but can't stop natural human corruption or snuff out the evil completely...This turn the manga into Kenichi vs Disciple masters vs master.....Training on too of training plus side character development an involvement...

Kenichi never became irrelevant...From the start Yomi's sent their disciples out of Pride to crush the seed of Ryozanpaku, which they didn't manage so they keep sending more and more martial artist...The Master bringing Kenichi into that martial arts world kept on training and training him and had him gather different experiences to survive his very real life or death fights. While they handle much much more serious missions of stopping Yomi from spreading....Throughout the manga it's shown they can't really win the war for its endless they can just acumate battles..

I don't apperciate the critism your giving the manga espcially seeing how you read it all the way through. I juss don't if it valid.

The manga actually slipped after the Muay Thai Clash..we get Useless subplots, Uninportant reminder of Kanon Shou, Sakki fights Hongo...Mui is kidnapped, then saved...More Yami members appear , then appear again for a subplot skirmish...Then you get your rushed arc ending and End of Manga....

Kenichi and his side characters were always being developed and the guru characters The master always had their most entertaining fights which moved the arcs along....Kenichi was never saving the day from the start of the story, only prevailing in his fights settling disputes,fueds or beef. When Kenichi wins the difficult fight applying his training , protecting his friends or the girl he likes its a job well done.

 

[kkck]

The problem is not ryozampaku's inability to beat human corruption or the abstract concept of evil, the problem is them being unable to actually harm yami through most of the series. And kenichi's overall inability to affect this particular part of the plot. The masters fought yami with their life on the line without actually having a chance to succeed. Defeating the yami masters did not actually represent a problem for yami in achieving the eternal setting sun after all. I mean, most of them were defeated and they simply returned to fight during the final war as if nothing had happened. Diego and alexandre were imprisoned because they wanted to be imprisoned. All the life and death battles the masters had at best mildly delayed yami's plans. In other words, ryozampaku's victories did not really produce any results. Now, if defeating yami masters yielded those results, then what exactly results from kenichi beating yomi in the grand scheme of things? Absolutely nothing... Kenichi's relevance was never past a completely skipable vanity project. The whole thing is so absurd that the only reason ryozampaku even survived the war is that some yami members disagreed with how they were going to murder an unfathomable number of people. In other words, their victory at the most recent was relied on an unforeseeable event they had no control over.

 

[Cyrs]

... The whole thing is so absurd that the only reason ryozampaku even survived the war is that some yami members disagreed with how they were going to murder an unfathomable number of people. ...

Hahaha, so true.

I found it a little funny how the ending was like, "Hey! Here's this novelist prize, everybody remembers that, right? We're totally not just cramming it in here because we forgot about it for a billion chapters..."

Well, whatever, the ending is what it is. I was never a huge fan, so I guess it doesn't bother me. I'm glad it was finally wrapped up. And I've seen worse endings, for sure.

 

[Lectro Volpi]

Translation for 582 came out.

I was interested in Hongou's short dialogue with the Elder:

hon: kuh…\\
hon: you!!\\
haya: I don’t understand the situation of the battle here!!\\
hon: stop the missiles!!\\
haya: is it really fine to trust your words!?\\
haya: that pure look in your eyes…\\
haya: I will believe you!!\\

Hongou is pure, 10/10 would husbando, deserved more than a lame panel.

 

[Ryuzaki L]

Translation for 582 came out.

I was interested in Hongou's short dialogue with the Elder:

hon: kuh…\\
hon: you!!\\
haya: I don’t understand the situation of the battle here!!\\
hon: stop the missiles!!\\
haya: is it really fine to trust your words!?\\
haya: that pure look in your eyes…\\
haya: I will believe you!!\\

Hongou is pure, 10/10 would husbando, deserved more than a lame panel.

Couldn't even kill scythe jobber

 

[Lectro Volpi]

Couldn't even kill scythe jobber

What this has to do with him being pure? Pay attention dude.

He lost to fake Saiga

No one beat fake Saiga, and this is not your blog.

 

[Ryuzaki L]

What this has to do with him being pure? Pay attention dude.

He lost to fake Saiga

 

[Xguard]

Anyway, I have one question.
Do you guys think Honoka beats Sougetsu in othello game so she order him to give her a shoulder rub, or she's just exhaust from playing othello many game with him.

 

[Ryuzaki L]

No one beat fake Saiga, and this is not your blog.

A combination of real Saiga and a missile did it, but since scythe jobber is partially responsible for its lunch,while Akira failed to kill said scythe jobber, can we conclude that Akira Hongou was able to beat fake Saiga?

 

[Lectro Volpi]

A combination of real Saiga and a missile did it, but since scythe jobber is partially responsible for its lunch,while Akira failed to kill said scythe jobber, can we conclude that Akira Hongou was able to beat fake Saiga?

Hongou could not read Senzui's technique nor Senzui could read Hongou's. Had Hongou hit, Senzui would have been defeated. Both tested luck and Senzui won the coin toss.

 

[XXGenesis]

Senzui and Saiga Are the closest to Superman class.
The other Super Master Classes I say are pretty even but it boils down to Who's martial arts is stronger in sense of development. The more ancient martial arts seem to prevail all the time

 

[Ryuzaki L]

Hongou could not read Senzui's technique nor Senzui could read Hongou's. Had Hongou hit, Senzui would have been defeated. Both tested luck and Senzui won the coin toss.

But fake Saiga and fake Okamoto beat the shit out of each other, while Hongou lost to fake Saiga without even wounding him.

 

[Lectro Volpi]

But fake Saiga and fake Okamoto beat the shit out of each other, while Hongou lost to fake Saiga without even wounding him.

They knew each other's techniques. Hongou gambled a 1 hit kill and lost. Senzui too, just landed that one technique on Hongou.

Looking back, Silcardo is stronger than Saiga or Senzui.

 

[Ryuzaki L]

They knew each other's techniques. Hongou gambled a 1 hit kill and lost. Senzui too, just landed that one technique on Hongou.

Looking back, Silcardo is stronger than Saiga or Senzui.

He lost to Hongou, while Hongou lost to fake Saiga. Going by that logic, Silcardo is weaker than the missile that killed fake Saiga.

 

[Lectro Volpi]

He lost to Hongou, while Hongou lost to fake Saiga. Going by that logic, Silcardo is weaker than the missile that killed fake Saiga.

By mere logic we assumed that Saiga was the strongest of the OSNF yet he is equal to Senzui who was exchanging blows with Hongou and gambled the win. Against Silcardo however, Hongou got his techniques bested and he recognized Silcardo as superior despite him being the winner.

Silcardo was the strongest OSNF after Mikumo.