Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015-2016] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[De La Croissant]

Hopefully shaft animates it. Theyd be perfect. (the manga doesnt use licensed music does it?)

One Direction

 

[SharkBait]

Look at sales Maybe in toc Black Clover is higher but in reality is not. Black Clover is complete garbage how can anyone like it? I have read more than 800 mangas and really Black Clover is one of the worst mangas in jump. There were far better series in jump and early cancelled. Toriko is best pure battle shounen now in jump. It can not be replaced because there is no other manga with so detailed world building. There is only one thing that makes Toriko unpopular and it is jojo like art and no boobs. Also usually Toriko is in middle or higher in TOC. This toc i from ch 342 when a lot of people thought that Mitsutoshi skipped area 6 Also Toriko is still in top 8 best selling jump mangas.

In 2015 newer series like nisekoi, world trigger, hero academia, haikyuu, food wars, outsolf toriko. Like I said many newer series are outselling it and BLack Clover is clearly next in line to overtake it.

Also Jump existed without Toriko and can exist without it. It is not as important as you make it sound.

 

[dark123]

In 2015 newer series like nisekoi, world trigger, hero academia, haikyuu, food wars, outsolf toriko. Like I said many newer series are outselling it and BLack Clover is clearly next in line to overtake it.

Also Jump existed without Toriko and can exist without it. It is not as important as you make it sound.

Gintama, Nisekoi and maybe World Trigger will end faster than Toriko if it won't be cancelled. Toriko's plot and world is already far bigger than other mangas in jump. If Mitsutoshi goes to space like it is constantly hinted , real play will start.

 

[Nicolin]

Gintama, Nisekoi and maybe World Trigger will end faster than Toriko if it won't be cancelled. Toriko's plot and world is already far bigger than other mangas in jump. If Mitsutoshi goes to space like it is constantly hinted , real play will start.

Toriko is irrelevant now... A few years ago was important, but now? Irrelevant. Toriko only received two color pages this year (1 cover and 1 color page)... Mononofu received more.

And Gintama, Nisekoi and World Trigger sells more than Toriko. MUCH MORE. Nisekoi maybe will end faster than Toriko, because Nisekoi will end naturally this year, but no way the editors will cancel Gintama and World Trigger to save Toriko. Man, Gintama and World Trigger have TV anime, best selling number and more gadgets, why they will cancel this two mangas instead Toriko?

Toriko have a fantastic world, but will be ending soon, naturally or cancelled.

 

[SharkBait]

Gintama, Nisekoi and maybe World Trigger will end faster than Toriko if it won't be cancelled. Toriko's plot and world is already far bigger than other mangas in jump. If Mitsutoshi goes to space like it is constantly hinted , real play will start.

Does plot ever save a manga this late in the game? Bleach entered its final arc and sales did not increase instead the opposite happened. Toriko's plot expanded meanwhile sales are falling off precipitously.

 

[ShenGao]

The manga who will end first are: Assassination Classroom, Toriko and Nisekoi. All of them are wrapping up their stories in highspeed and there isn't much left in all 3 of them to tell.
AssClass is a special case because it's author wants to end it himself, but if you combine the above mentioned with the decreasing sales and low TOC positions for Toriko and Nisekoi it's clear that these two will be made to end. It doesn't matter if the authors wanted to implement new arcs in completely new areas/dimensions, these 3 will be the first ones to end.

 

[vampire killer]

Look at sales Maybe in toc Black Clover is higher but in reality is not. Black Clover is complete garbage how can anyone like it? I have read more than 800 mangas and really Black Clover is one of the worst mangas in jump. There were far better series in jump and early cancelled. Toriko is best pure battle shounen now in jump. It can not be replaced because there is no other manga with so detailed world building. There is only one thing that makes Toriko unpopular and it is jojo like art and no boobs. Also usually Toriko is in middle or higher in TOC. This toc i from ch 342 when a lot of people thought that Mitsutoshi skipped area 6 Also Toriko is still in top 8 best selling jump mangas.

So having jojo-art make you unpopular. Yeah its not likee jojo is popular or anything.

 

[TyVip]

Soma colour spread:
https://twitter.com/kazu4281/status/674945423052697600

Spoiler

OMG it's so cute . Hopefully someone will re-draw that .

 

[dark123]

The manga who will end first are: Assassination Classroom, Toriko and Nisekoi. All of them are wrapping up their stories in highspeed and there isn't much left in all 3 of them to tell.
AssClass is a special case because it's author wants to end it himself, but if you combine the above mentioned with the decreasing sales and low TOC positions for Toriko and Nisekoi it's clear that these two will be made to end. It doesn't matter if the authors wanted to implement new arcs in completely new areas/dimensions, these 3 will be the first ones to end.

Toriko is coming to END? What manga do you read? It will end if Mitsutoshi decides to end story after Neo Demon Arc but he already has introduced us to origin of all tastes which is in space also Toriko still has to awaken Blue Oni and his third one who bear same scars as Toriko.

Spoiler

People born with gourmet cells has same scars as thier demons(Acacia said that), like Midora has but neither Red or Blue have scars like Toriko so there is third one and 2 chapters ago it was basically confirmed

So there is a lot more action ahead of us. Also Mitsutoshi himself said that after gourmet world arc there will be other long one. So if it goes like it should be we can hope for at least 200 more chapters.

 

[101nemesis]

Toriko's pacing is actually super fast these days. They seem to be skipping a lot of the exploration part and just keep going from one big reveal to another. I can see Toriko ending next year.
I'd say the order of series ending would be AC, Nisekoi, Toriko, Bleach and then Gintama.

 

[ShenGao]

Toriko is coming to END? What manga do you read? It will end if Mitsutoshi decides to end story after Neo Demon Arc but he already has introduced us to origin of all tastes which is in space also Toriko still has to awaken Blue Oni and his third one who bear same scars as Toriko.

Spoiler

People born with gourmet cells has same scars as thier demons(Acacia said that), like Midora has but neither Red or Blue have scars like Toriko so there is third one and 2 chapters ago it was basically confirmed

So there is a lot more action ahead of us. Also Mitsutoshi himself said that after gourmet world arc there will be other long one. So if it goes like it should be we can hope for at least 200 more chapters.

The Air arc, which is also the beginning of the Gourmet World arc, took 20 chapters until they ate Air. The Pair arc, which was also the Area 7 and Monkey King arc, took 25 chapters until they ate Pair. This actual arc is a cluster of the remaining Food Treasures and 8 Kings, all of them being shown and introduced in the span of 15 chapters.
It doesn't take much to see how the pace of Toriko skyrocketed in the past few weeks if you compare it to the past. In the past it took 20+ chapters for ONE Food Treasure and ONE King, now it takes less than 15 chapters for the remaining 6 Food Treasures and Kings plus the final enemies.

And what Mitsutoshi wants doesn't matter, if his manga doesn't sell anymore or isn't popular enough it will be made to end.

 

[kobester11]

Soma colour spread:
https://twitter.com/kazu4281/status/674945423052697600

Spoiler

So thats why mangastream is taking a while haha. I wish for more color pages \o/

 

[dark123]

The Air arc, which is also the beginning of the Gourmet World arc, took 20 chapters until they ate Air. The Pair arc, which was also the Area 7 and Monkey King arc, took 25 chapters until they ate Pair. This actual arc is a cluster of the remaining Food Treasures and 8 Kings, all of them being shown and introduced in the span of 15 chapters.
It doesn't take much to see how the pace of Toriko skyrocketed in the past few weeks if you compare it to the past. In the past it took 20+ chapters for ONE Food Treasure and ONE King, now it takes less than 15 chapters for the remaining 6 Food Treasures and Kings plus the final enemies.

And what Mitsutoshi wants doesn't matter, if his manga doesn't sell anymore or isn't popular enough it will be made to end.

You have a point but Toriko still sales ok and we can not forget that even Mitsutoshi with his wonderful imagination can not constantly create something amazing so he has to skip a bit. There is certain limit to earth arc world build. You can not deny that what Mitsutoshi created in Toriko is amazing. He created breath taking encyclopedia of his manga world. There wasnt, there isnt and i think there wont be other manga like that in jump. Not if we talk about world creation. Also we still cannot forget how awful Toriko anime was. If someone watched only anime he wont understand how great this manga is.

 

[Stark700]

Does plot ever save a manga this late in the game? Bleach entered its final arc and sales did not increase instead the opposite happened. Toriko's plot expanded meanwhile sales are falling off precipitously.

Bleach is a manga that had over 50 fucking volumes at the time of entering the last arc. That's not surprising at all.

 

[SharkBait]

Toriko would be at or near 50 volumes whenever this theoretical space arc with expanding possibilities would occur, I dont see a difference.

 

[Mammo]

SANJO Riku

this is the only thing i care about in this week toc, if you guys don't know, Dai is on my top 3 most favorite manga

 

[vampire killer]

The art of Shiibashi and the creator of Dai? I hope this one shot become full series soon. I dont care what it is about it will be awesome!

 

[chrisbj]

Wel for Toriko and Gintama like in case of bleach TOC position doesnt matter because there are fans who buy still a lot of copies. But I simply can not understand how people do not understand greatness of Toriko. It is one of the most epic mangas in jump history. Well characters build is not strong point of Mitsutoshi but Toriko is not about characters build. It was created to give us constant hype, perfect world build and amazing battles without fucking ecchi .

Toriko is nowhere near as important as Gintama and Bleach, even in their declining status they both outsell Toriko by a pretty big margin....

 

[Stark700]

Toriko would be at or near 50 volumes whenever this theoretical space arc with expanding possibilities would occur, I dont see a difference.

Toriko started getting sales dips when the volumes were in the 30's.
For any long running manga (over 20 volumes or whatever you want to set it at), it should come as no surprise when you start seeing sales drops.

 

[SharkBait]

Toriko started getting sales dips when the volumes were in the 30's.
For any long running manga (over 20 volumes or whatever you want to set it at), it should come as no surprise when you start seeing sales drops.

Kingdom didnt? One Piece didnt.