Quarterfinal Dimaria Yesta vs Laxus Dreyar

Which Fighter Advances?

  • Dimaria Yesta

    Votes: 16 20.8%
  • Laxus Dreyar

    Votes: 61 79.2%

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All these Laxus fans these days. Trying to deny that DF Wendy is faster than Laxus lol.
I usually like your posts and agree with most of what you say, but on this, I really think you should just knock it off. There's no-one in this discussion topic who's going to agree with you that DF Wendy is faster than Laxus because she simply isn't.

I checked the images you posted. While it is true that Hades was keeping up with Laxus, you should know that Hades is a very experienced and powerful mage, Spriggan 12 w/heart if you allow me, so it's perfectly fine if he can read pre-pre-ts Laxus' speed. What makes you think he couldn't keep up with DF Wendy? And the Laxus you're presenting here is Tenroujima Laxus, before 2 ts. And you're comparing it to pre-ts DF Wendy, so you've got the ts boost + the DF boost. We all know how ts boost all stats. No-one has said DF Wendy is slower than PRE-PRE-TS Laxus.

Tell me which feat from DF Sting and DF Rogue surpasses DF Wendy's feats.

Maybe not in AoE, but definetely in attack power. And they were in base...

Show me where Base Natsu clearly outclasses a spell as this:


Tartaros Base Natsu wasn't even able to solo a Demon Gate, while Tartaros DF Wendy did it with ease.
DF Natsu woul've beaten Etherious Mard Geer with moderate difficulty hadn't his DF ran out. Then it was DeS Gray's job to finish him off. Whereas DF Wendy managed to defeat the weakest gate, DF Natsu would've beaten the strongest. And the gap between Ezel and Mard Geer is as massive as the gap between Max and Laxus.

You've been provided with enough arguments and feats proving that your reasoning regarding Wendy's speed is wrong but yet you deny to accept it. Since you won't agree with whatever is said on the topic other than DF Wendy is faster than Laxus, then let's agree to disagree and let's drop the topic.
 

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Look, it's Hades keeping track of Laxus' speed.
Dude... Why are you bringing up Tenrou Laxus?
Whats the point of even comparing Tenrou Laxus and Tartaros Wendy... Tenrou Wendy wasn't even a thing (she never got DF that time), of course Laxus was worse in Tenrou than in Tartaros arc.
Your earlier posts didn't convince anyone so you're trying to bring "evidence" by comparing DF Tartaros Wendy with Tenrou Laxus. Come on now.


Show me where Base Natsu clearly outclasses a spell as this:
Any powerful spell from Natsu...

Tartaros Base Natsu wasn't even able to solo a Demon Gate, while Tartaros DF Wendy did it with ease.
Alright...

I'm talking about Current Base Natsu and Current DF Wendy.
In that case... There's nothing else to say. If you think DF Wendy could have destroyed Ikusatsunagi like Natsu did, then we'll drop the debate here. We'll never agree with each other if you keep saying Current DF Wendy can be compared to Current Base Natsu.


Why wouldn't it? Dimaria will need to kil him if she wants to defeat him, isn't it obvious that she'll pierce him through his heart then?
You STILL dont get my point. Wanting to pierce his heart and actually aiming at the heart and managing to pierce it, are two different things.

Actually, she pretty much is.
If that's what you wish. She never showed capable of sniping people precisely.

I could say with the same ease that you're assuming things as well. You go by your logic, I go by my logic. Anyway, in the amount of time that Laxus is affected by Age Seal, Dimaria could easily pierce him.
I'm not assuming things. Never in the manga it was stated that Age Scratch's duration is longer for those who felt more pain. This was never stated, or else you'll need to give me that panel.

All these Laxus fans these days. Trying to deny that DF Wendy is faster than Laxus lol.
You might have notice that in all this post, i actually look like i'm annoyed, or bored... And i am.
With all due respect, i will stop arguing with you, you can have the last word if you wish.
It seems like everytime someone has a different opinion than yours it is only because of "fanboys everywhere", "biased opinion". Your opinion, which is not shared by everyone (and that's an understatement) is not an opinion, it is "nothing more than a fact".
So yes... I'm tired of arguing with you since you can't seem to accept people's opinion if they disagree. That is something i had already noticed in previous polls.threads and that i pointed out to you. But yur mindset can't seem to change: you're the one knowing the truth, everyone else is a biased fanboy.

I'm sorry dude. I don't mean to be rude as you're most probably a cool guy otherwise. But right now you're annoying me, thus i won't discuss anymore. You can have the last word, let's agree to disagree.
 
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@Stormsfury and @Crimson Ice I'm not referring to when Dimaria was tearing off Kagura's clothes, I'm referring to the beginning of the fight when Dimaria clashed swords with Kagura who had already unsheathed Archenemy, why are you assuming Dimaria had already stopped time then? There was no indication that she had used Age Seal at the beginning of the battle...in fact she leaped at Sherria the same way as soon as she had ripped off her clothes...
Also uh, yes, Erza is as fast as Laxus when she uses Lightning Empress Armor, she was able to match him equally in the short fight they had in the Cathedral even when he was in his lightning form...
EDIT: Added links for reference
https://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/dimaria-attacks-kagura.png
^This is Dimaria meeting Kagura round 1, nowhere does it say she used Age Seal, those were her basic raw skills
https://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/dimaria-vs-kagura.png
^When Dimaria started using Age Seal
Oh lord.......How is Dimaria impressive at all then, she tries to catch Kagura of guard and Kagura still reacts and after that she uses Age Seal. And no Erza isn't as fast as Laxus, the Lightning Empress Armor doesn't even increase speed.
 
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We are see the lazer, so it is not faster than light\time. Sheria block lazer, do you realy think that she is faster than time??



You cant know that it was his strongest spell. It was just low punch, much weaker than Natsu's fist. Well Red Lightning just allow Laxus to do any damage to Wahl and it was enough to kill him.
Etherion is concentrated magic. Wahl - mage. He cant hold more magic than his body seats. We know what can be if try to use more magic (Natsu on Tower, Natsu with Zeref). So, Wahl's Etherion <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Council Etherion.
Red Lightning is Laxus' strongest move to date as it literally exhausted his magical reserves after he did it.

Wahl's Etherion was never stated to be weaker then the Council's Etherion so there's no reason to even believe that.

I do agree about the mentally part but it doesn't change anything really. he knew that he is completely immune to his lightning punch but he didn't knew about "the lightning that surpasses the lightning which is no longer lightning" thing. he would have been one shotted anyway.
Pretty sure that means RL surpasses any of Laxus' previous attacks by large margin as it surpasses that of normal lightning.
Laxus always had MCB but he doesn't need to show every sign of pain every second.
He did show signs and he said he had symptoms through out the year that gave him pain.
we don't know how strong is Red Lightning. it only bypasses Wahl' immunity.
It's his strongest move to date.
Etherion could in fact ended the entire war but we have no way of knowing what kind of Etherion would have Wahl' been.
It took only hour for a room full of council fodder to charge Etherion so if anything Wahl's Etherion >= Council's Etherion. Not to mention Zeref himself only called those speed bumps to his army.
now that I think about it, Age Scratch could take down Laxus cause he took a huge amount of damage in the past but hey, fans will vote for Laxus anyway. if you put Natsu here who took far, far, far more damage than Laxus then he would have won anyway.
It's sad how true this is.
besides, if Fairy Law is not restricted then this is even more easier.
F Law needs charge though.

I'm just going to leave this here

The definition of Age Scratch:
bcs a lot of you think just bcs Wendy took it Laxus will too, which is wrong as the accumulative damage Laxus has taken far exceeds his own current pain threshold unlike Wendy.

Laxus damage soak until he's unconscious is Wahl + Hades so Age Scratch can render him unconscious with only that accumulative pain alone.

Now add his fight with Natsu + Gajeel, his first Hades battle, his battle against Jura, the first time he inhaled the MCB particles and the entire year which the MCB afflicted major pain to him and Laxus would be six feet under.

Dimaria's laser is a lot faster then what some of you guys are making it out to be. Charle's w/Clairvoyance nor Ultear and Wendy could even perceive Dimaria laser. Perception is a lot faster than reaction as it has to do with how fast you're brain can processes things unlike reaction which has to do with how fast your body can move on instinct. The function of the brain moves at much faster speeds then that of the body so for a speedster like Wendy, a time mage, and a girl who can read multiple future within seconds can't even perceive an attack that attack must be going at extraordinary speed.

Carla can read multiple future outcomes within seconds which means her perception of time is very great and her future seeing ability is very thorough. However, that was still not able to help her keep up with the attack even when she can thoroughly read the future.

Dimaria seems to be getting heavily downplayed in this battle.
 
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F Law needs charge though.
maybe although while Dimaria transforms he can charge it up. I mean, he doesn't even need it imo.

oh and when Laxus used RL he was pretty much battered during that point. his organs were practically dead during that time and he was injured.
 
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maybe although while Dimaria transforms he can charge it up. I mean, he doesn't even need it imo.

oh and when Laxus used RL he was pretty much battered during that point. his organs were practically dead during that time and he was injured.
Dimaria transformation takes not even second to fully transform though.

Yes but currently that spell packs much more power than any move he's done yet. He exhausted all of his MP in that one attack which is why he had such a tough fight with Hades. He wouldn't be that exhausted from injuries alone if RL didn't sap all that MP out of him.
 

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Dimaria transformation takes not even second to fully transform though.

Yes but currently that spell packs much more power than any move he's done yet. He exhausted all of his MP in that one attack which is why he had such a tough fight with Hades. He wouldn't be that exhausted from injuries alone if RL didn't sap all that MP out of him.
you got that right but Fairy Law' cast time is high because they spam that nonsense "1, 2, 3". Laxus would have cast Fairy Law much quicker if Levy didn't intervene.

we''ll have to agree to disagree here. besides, he doesn't even need Red Lightning.
 

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Depends if Dimaria can be hurt by non God Slayers. She took DF Wendy attacks without flinching like in Dragon Ball fights. If she can then Laxus' nuke would be enough.
 
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Age Scratch isn't taken down anybody. Wendy had gotten beaten down as much as Laxus (Against the mechanic Dragon, Hades, Chelia, Erzel) and Laxus has wayy higher pain tolerance while people don't even know how illnesses work. Laxus himself was unable to move because of the affect the MBP had on him not because of the pain, Laxus himself tolerated the pain well, saying Laxus will be incapacitated from from Age Scratch is laughable, Wendy was only stunned for a moment and the same will happen to Laxus. Laxus himself pretty much outclasses Dimaria all across the board bar hax, nobody is underestimating Dimaria but the only thing that made her a HUGE threat is restricted.
 
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Age Scratch isn't taken down and body. Wendy had gotten beaten down as much as Laxus (Against the mechanic Dragon, Hades, Chelia, Erzel) and Laxus has wayy higher pain tolerance while people don't even know how illnesses work. Laxus himself was unable to move because of the affect the MBP had on him not because of the pain, Laxus himself tolerated the pain well, saying Laxus will be incapacitated from from Age Scratch is laughable, Wendy was only stunned for a moment and the same will happen to Laxus. Laxus himself pretty much outclasses Dimaria all across the board bar hax, nobody is underestimating Dimaria but there only thing that made her a HUGE threat is restricted.
Laxus pain threshold has been shown and your basically just shrugging it off. Wendy has only two solo battles and played support in her other three so her accumulative pain is a lot lower than Laxus who has been knocked out or near KOed in all of his battles. Just bcs Wendy can take Age Scratch does not mean Laxus can. Age Scratch would make him remember the pain from Wahl's fight and Hades' fight and that already is enough to render him tired and unconscious now add in all the other pain he has gained and he'd be dead.

He was immobilized by the pain of the MCB left in his body reaching it's peak which even breathing was a pain. The pain of the first time he got the MCB plus the pain from Wahl's fight and all his other battles would completely wreck his body and he would be dead. We've seen his current limit and his past limit so combining those together would ultimately kill Laxus.
 

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Laxus pain threshold has been shown and your basically just shrugging it off. Wendy has only two solo battles and played support in her other three so her accumulative pain is a lot lower than Laxus who has been knocked out or near KOed in all of his battles. Just bcs Wendy can take Age Scratch does not mean Laxus can. Age Scratch would make him remember the pain from Wahl's fight and Hades' fight and that already is enough to render him tired and unconscious now add in all the other pain he has gained and he'd be dead.

He was immobilized by the pain of the MCB left in his body reaching it's peak which even breathing was a pain. The pain of the first time he got the MCB plus the pain from Wahl's fight and all his other battles would completely wreck his body and he would be dead. We've seen his current limit and his past limit so combining those together would ultimately kill Laxus.
When had Laxus' 'pain threshold' been shown? Wendy having to solo battles is IRRELEVANT because she still shown to have taken a lot of damage in team battles were she has been support. Laxus had never been near knocked out in ALL OF HIS BATTLES, while being knocked out doesn't mean you've sustain more damage, both Natsu and Gajeel took more damage than Laxus in their despite neither of them getting knocked out while Laxus did. Laxus being tired from fighting isn't because of pain or do you not get the actual concept of actually being physically injured (not just being in pain) and fatigue?

Laxus himself wasn't immobilised by the PAIN but the actual MBP itself, when you get ill you aren't I'll because it hurts you're ill because of the illness itself. Pain alone isn't killing Laxus and Laxus' pain tolerance is wayy above Wendy's and the fact you think pain only incapacitated Laxus is laughable.
 

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I am going for dimaria. Dimaria has an insane magic and laxus has not shown anything that could work against it. It took an odd amount of circumstances for shelia, a god slayer to win... Laxus won't be winning this on his own.
 

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Depends if Dimaria can be hurt by non God Slayers. She took DF Wendy attacks without flinching like in Dragon Ball fights. If she can then Laxus' nuke would be enough.
Of course she can, nothing said she can't, Natsu one-shot a God, so that means God's can still be taken out by normal mages, it's just that God Slaying magic is super effective. Laxus' offence is 10 times greater than Wendy's.
I am going for dimaria. Dimaria has an insane magic and laxus has not shown anything that could work against it. It took an odd amount of circumstances for shelia, a god slayer to win... Laxus won't be winning this on his own.
That's some great reasoning........ -__-
 

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That's some great reasoning........ -__-
Well, but, what can laxus do here? Dimaria literally has to make a clicking noise and time stops. Laxus has absolutely no means to counter this. If anything laxus would have a hard time winning even if he was actually in a fair fight against dimaria. The only way for anyone to actually win against dimaria would be to have magic that actually affects time and even that only puts you in a position where you face the full might of her takeover which is also insane. Laxus does not have the tools to beat her.
 

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Well, but, what can laxus do here? Dimaria literally has to make a clicking noise and time stops. Laxus has absolutely no means to counter this. If anything laxus would have a hard time winning even if he was actually in a fair fight against dimaria. The only way for anyone to actually win against dimaria would be to have magic that actually affects time and even that only puts you in a position where you face the full might of her takeover which is also insane. Laxus does not have the tools to beat her.
Time stop is restricted because if it wasn't, she would win the entire thing...........
 

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Of course she can, nothing said she can't, Natsu one-shot a God, so that means God's can still be taken out by normal mages, it's just that God Slaying magic is super effective. Laxus' offence is 10 times greater than Wendy's.
War God is more of a beast warrior rather than a deity as someone already pointed out.
 

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Dimaria was getting hurt by regular punches.
 

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War God is more of a beast warrior rather than a deity as someone already pointed out.
Yeah, somebody replied that to me earlier in the discussion. I didn't answer because i, well, forgot :P
But i'll answer now: in the Fairy Tail wiki IkusaTsunagi is described as a God.
He was "one of the Yakuma Eighteen War Gods". If you go to the "Gods" page, you'll see he is as much of a God as Chronos is.

Chronos (or i should say, Dimaria's God Soul - Chronos) is arguably more impressive than Ikusatsunagi. But they are still presented as being Gods, both of them. If an attack coming from Natsu (who isn't a God Slayer) managed to deal damage to Ikusatsunagi, there is nothing to let us assume such a thing couldn't happen to Chronos. Actually, Laxus could very well damage Dimaria's God Soul.
 

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War God is more of a beast warrior rather than a deity as someone already pointed out.
that might just be a title "War God". according to Solitrine
Ikusatsunagi wasn't actually a God according to the Volume's afterword. Apparently those "Yakuma 18" are just a race of beast warriors.
War God(s) can be a title for all we know.
 

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Well, but, what can laxus do here? Dimaria literally has to make a clicking noise and time stops. Laxus has absolutely no means to counter this. If anything laxus would have a hard time winning even if he was actually in a fair fight against dimaria. The only way for anyone to actually win against dimaria would be to have magic that actually affects time and even that only puts you in a position where you face the full might of her takeover which is also insane. Laxus does not have the tools to beat her.
Did you even bother to read the conditions?
 
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