Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Woodenstool]

NeinHart can just summon Zancrow, Hades, Doriate or Fukuro (?) from Natsu's memories, I'm pretty sure Natsu is helpless against the Law of Retrogression and Zancrow can eat his flames so..
For an emotional effect, he can even bring up Future Lucy, who I'm dead sure Natsu won't be able to fight..
How would Natsu beat Ajeel? He can't even touch his body normally in the first place

Or Acnologia.

 

[Hermit]

Or Acnologia.

Acnologia isn't dead...

 

[Woodenstool]

Acnologia isn't dead...

So couldn't Neinhart summon all the dragons Acnologia killed? Like Igneel?

 

[Hermit]

So couldn't Neinhart summon all the dragons Acnologia killed? Like Igneel?

Maybe, I'm not entirely sure he can summon beings stronger than him though,
Although if he was fighting the GOI he would have summoned Serena:P

 

[Static]

So couldn't Neinhart summon all the dragons Acnologia killed? Like Igneel?

I'm pretty sure he can't summon beings who have a greater MP than he has. Otherwise, he would be wayyyy tooo op, literally too much.

 

[Char]

So couldn't Neinhart summon all the dragons Acnologia killed? Like Igneel?

No, he can't. It was already argued a few days ago.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

No, he can't. It was already argued a few days ago.

There's no evidence to support this claim.
People really need to stop using this ˝argument˝ to justify why some abilities are OP.

 

[Axiomus]

There's no evidence to support this claim.
People really need to stop using this ˝argument˝ to justify why some abilities are OP.

Actually, there's no evidence that Neinhart can summon a Historia of anything stronger than himself, much less a dragon. If Neinhart could bring back dragons, then we should have seen Grandeeney or the grand magic games dragons. Yet we didn't. Neinhart is using magical power to give physical bodies from memories. It doesn't make sense for him to be able to create something that has more magic than he himself has, and Igneel has more magical power than Neinhart. Neinhart shouldn't be able to create Igneel or any other dragon for the same reason Rustyrose shouldn't be able to simply imagine a creature stronger than Acnologia.

 

[Brandish μ]

Historia's are a life-make, where Neinharts makes someone with their former power level I assume, with memories/personality as well. It's only reasonable to assume that a Historia can't have more MP than Neinhart, or the sum of his Historia's =< Neinhart's MP; as the Historia's themselves are created from Neinhart's MP.

It puts into context how much MP a Spriggan has, given he can simultaneously create Hades, Ur, Kyoka, Azuma, Zancrow, Ikaruga, Ezel and Keith... assuming what I said above is correct of course. I've always wondered how the MP works with the demons, given they use anti-magic particles rather than ethernano... this might be a hole in the track of thought that the life makes use the MP from Neinhart.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Actually, there's no evidence that Neinhart can summon a Historia of anything stronger than himself, much less a dragon. If Neinhart could bring back dragons, then we should have seen Grandeeney or the grand magic games dragons. Yet we didn't. Neinhart is using magical power to give physical bodies from memories. It doesn't make sense for him to be able to create something that has more magic than he himself has, and Igneel has more magical power than Neinhart. Neinhart shouldn't be able to create Igneel or any other dragon for the same reason Rustyrose shouldn't be able to simply imagine a creature stronger than Acnologia.

If that were the case,summoners in general couldn't summon being which are stronger than them( Lucy summoning Aquarius in the beginning).
If it's not stated that the summoners MP needs to be high ( like with Gemini),this is just an assumption.

 

[Char]

If that were the case,summoners in general couldn't summon being which are stronger than them( Lucy summoning Aquarius in the beginning).
If it's not stated that the summoners MP needs to be high ( like with Gemini),this is just an assumption.

It works differently. While "make" magic creates tangible things in exchange for your MP, summoning is a contract between summoner and summoned in which the MP is used by the two parts.

 

[Axiomus]

If that were the case,summoners in general couldn't summon being which are stronger than them( Lucy summoning Aquarius in the beginning).
If it's not stated that the summoners MP needs to be high ( like with Gemini),this is just an assumption.

Neinhart is not a summoner. His magic is life-make. Neinhart is taking the memories of his opponents, and using his magical power to create a physical body for it. If the body he's trying to create has more magical power than Neinhart himself has, then he shouldn't be able to make it.

Spoiler: My magic is Life-Make (Neinhart)

Summoners simply summon something that already exists. The summoners don't create anything, and their summons have their own physical bodies with their own supply of magical power. When Lucy summons the Spirit King, she is opening a gate for the spirit king to pass from the celestial realm to earthland. She is not creating the Spirit King's physical body with her magical power, like Neinhart does with his historia. The two are not the same.

 

[Arjuna]

If Neinhart could bring opponents stronger than him then he could have brought Igneel or other Dragons but he couldn't.Then Zeref would have used him to bring all the Dragons that Acnologia killed in his lifetime in the battle against Acnologia.I dare say that is why he failed to bring Mard Geer as i believe Mard is stronger than Ninehart.

 

[EmberSpirit]

If Neinhart could bring opponents stronger than him then he could have brought Igneel or other Dragons but he couldn't.Then Zeref would have used him to bring all the Dragons that Acnologia killed in his lifetime in the battle against Acnologia.I dare say that is why he failed to bring Mard Geer as i believe Mard is stronger than Ninehart.

Neinhart is stronger than Mard Geer. At least his magic power is.

Official stats show that Kyouka's curse power is 45 percent of Mard Geer's curse power. Add that to others. His mp should be quite higher than Mard Geer's cp. He preferred making Ul over Mard Geer.

 

[Brandish μ]

Neinhart was selective with Ur. Assuming Mard wasn't summoned due to lack of MP is also assuming only Gray's memories were considered, and not Lyon's. I think it's pretty obvious that Neinhart chooses his creations that have a emotion impact on their opponent when possible (see Simon for Jellal). If he can't, he'll probably opt for power (Hades with Laxus).

Ur is a kind of powerful enemy, as well as someone who could do some psychological damage on Gray/Lyon. One weakness to Neinharts magic is also psychological, as developments mid-fight can overcome the initial hesitation/stress (Lyon and Kagura both showed this).

 

[Brandish μ]

I think he didn't summon Mard because Zeref burned his book therefore his existence.

I'm not sure that's the case. Neinhart makes things from memories of others, I doubt it has anything to do with their soul/existence.

You could be right though.

 

[Arjuna]

I think he didn't summon Mard because Zeref burned his book therefore his existence.

I'm not sure that's the case. Neinhart makes things from memories of others, I doubt it has anything to do with their soul/existence.

You could be right though.

Nuh he brought Keith who was blown to pieces and obliterated.Pehaps Ember is right.But i am not sure he can bring everyone and Mard together.It will depend how vast his MP is.

 

[Brandish μ]

Mard shouldn't really be much harder to make than Hades. Neinhart also didn't seem like he was bothered magically by making all those Historia's either, it seemed like that was comfortably within his limits.

 

[Arjuna]

Keth's book is still there. Mard book is gone.

But the whole person was blown to pieces.It doesn't matter if he was not turned back to book because automatically the book was destroyed.

Mard shouldn't really be much harder to make than Hades. Neinhart also didn't seem like he was bothered magically by making all those Historia's either, it seemed like that was comfortably within his limits.

But he brought the weaker version of Hades i.e. Hades without heart.I am not saying he can't bring Mard though i consider Mard to be stronger than Hades.

 

[Arjuna]

umm no tempesta died and returned back to life, if they are dead their books is still safe and unharmed with Zeref.

ikaruga was blown to pieces too that's not the case, you don't get my point, Zeref burned Mard geer's book after that he vanished from existence because his life force is in his book and the book is gone so is his life force.

I understood my friend but those books don't exist anywhere else.They are born from books and can be turned back to books by Zeref like we saw with Mard Geer.To put it simple their bodies are books.They could bring Tempesta back because of Hell's Core.