Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015-2016] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Ihore]

Houshin Engi took such a weird turn in the last few volumes...

If you like Romcom, read Masakasu Katsura works and/or Kimigare Orange Road.

Sports manga - Slam Dunk, Captain Tsubasa and Prince of Tennis

Deliquent manga - Rookies and Rokudenashi Blues (Both by Masanori Morita) never got anime, don't know why but a lot delinquent manga just don't get anime.

 

[lobito180]

Thanks guys. I know most of those series but I've only read a few. I think I'll start reading Hoshin Engi and Yu Yu Hakusho. The first one because I've seen advertisements on Viz volumes, and the second because I really liked HxH's 2011 anime. I'm slowly buying and reading both Hikaru no Go and Slam Dunk as well.

Right now I'm only reading Yuragi-san (I get so many To Love-Ru vibes from this) and Dance Club and I'm really enjoying both. Toriko isn't for me. I've watched a few episodes of the anime and both the story and the art didn't click with me.
I was tempted at trying Black Clover as well since I tend to like classic battle shonen series, but the medieval fantasy setting isn't for me...
Neverland seemed cool, too!

 

[saef1234]

Can anyone tell me what exactly the problem is with bleach? Is it the fandom or the series itself?

 

[jagman1x3]

Can anyone tell me what exactly the problem is with bleach? Is it the fandom or the series itself?

Both, honestly. I just completely ignore the fandom, but there are so many problems with the series at this point that it's been really hard to not be reading the series ironically.

 

[WesKR]

I liked Hoshin Engi, surprised it doesn't get mentioned more often.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Can anyone tell me what exactly the problem is with bleach? Is it the fandom or the series itself?

Both. You have a series that's lost steam years ago due to a drop in sales, rankings and an anime being canned and a fandom that just won't let go of a rotting corpse long sense everyone has moved on. Its quite interesting to see the difference in audience response with Bleach's last chapter to Naruto, while the latter just seem to be expected after years of "this is close to ending" Bleach just seem to have a "ho-hum" response in general like people are generally surprised that others are still reading and are up to date with it. If any case Bleach's ending those seem to mark the end of the 00's era of Jump manga during that period since it was the most successful new manga series that ushered into what was the new millennium and the last international hit series from Jump as well so the sentiments are expected but it won't be remembered as fondly.

 

[perroloco]

@Ihore You just... Woow I was basically gonna say the same thing! We have pretty much the same tastes, one of my all time favorites is Hoshin Engi too!

@lobito180

I will enlist a series of what I consider JUMP Classics, works that pretty much defined their generation, I made this list based of the popularity, copies sold and in some cases I choose a series over other perhaps more popular series in order to represent a genre, specially in the case of gag manga/romcom, e.g. perhaps manga like Sakigake Otokojuku or Jojo sold more than Video Girl Ai, but I wanted to have more diversity.

I haven't read all of the mangas from that list, especially the mangas that are from the first generation, but I think all the mangas that I put from 1988 to 1996 except for Rokudenashi BLUES are fully scanlated and are all excellent picks from each of their genres, their art doesn't look 'old' at all, not saying mangas from the 60s-80s have bad art, but perhaps if you are used to seeing/watching new anime you will find their art pretty old looking, also manga from this generation (1988-1996) aren't extremelly long like today's most popular manga, so IMO if you want to start reading some good classics you can start with that generation.


Series listed with green are comedy, blue represents sport series, pink means the series is a romantic comedy or has ecchi elements to it (Harenchi Gakuen), while everything else I listed under black.

1968-1975:
Father's soul
Harenchi Gakuen
Otoko Ippiki Gaki Taisho
Dokonjo Gaeru
Barefoot Gen
Playball


1976-1981:
Kochikame
Ring Ni Kakero
COBRA
Kinnikuman
Dr. Slump
Stop!! Hibari-kun

1982-1987:
Captain Tsubasa
Hokuto No Ken
Kimagure Orange Road
Dragon Ball
Saint Seiya
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

1988 to 1996:
Rokudenashi BLUES
Video Girl Ai
Slam DUNK
Yu Yu Hakusho
Rurouni Kenshin
Sexy Commando Gaiden: Sugoi Yo Masaru kun

1997 to 2001:
I''s
ONE PIECE
HUNTER X HUNTER
NARUTO
Prince of Tennis
Pyu to fuku! Jaguar

2002 to 2005:
BLEACH
Ichigo 100%
Eyeshield 21
Death Note
Gintama
Katekyo Hitman Reborn!

2004 to 2010:
D-Gray-Man
To Love Ru
Sket Dance
Toriko
Bakuman
Kuroko no Basket

2011 to date:
Nisekoi
Haikyuu!!
Saiki Kusuo ni Psi-nan
Assasination Classroom
Shokugeki No Soma
My Hero Academy


Notes:
You can definetly see how from the 80s and forward JUMP tries to have at least an important Sport, comedy or romance series every 5 or so years (a generation, you could say.)

Midori no Makibao, Ninku are series I have been interested in reading but haven't since they aren't scanlated, would buy digital volumes (even if I hate digital media) if they were available in english/spanish.
Do you guys have any series you would like to read but aren't available in english?

Also Dragon Quest Dai No Daiboken got robbed by JOJO in my list, I prefer Dragon Quest, and even though it sold more per volume than Jojo, I think Jojo was/is like the Kochikame of action series for JUMP, and even if it didn't 'even' sell a million per volume, I include it because of its relevance to this day.

To This day I don't understand how Ninku got cancelled, most places I have seen numbers for it say it sold 9 million in only 9 volumes.. Does anyone know if the author got sick or something?

I know putting Dragon Ball under comedy is cheating, but that way each generation has 6 manga series while each having at least a sport, romance and comedy manga AND in my favor Dragon Ball was kind of a comedy/action series for a very good part of its run.
Also I changed the pink lable from 'romance comedy manga' to 'romance comedy or ecchi manga' so it would fit Harenchi Gakuen, because it isn't a romcom manga, but I wanted every generation to have a manga labeled with pink, green and blue.

Finally I had to omit some of my all time favorites in the list in order to include what I consider the most important manga in Jump, for example I don't really enjoy Hokuto or REBORN that much.. I really like mangas like Hoshin Engi, Shaman King, Hikaru no Go, but didn't put them on the list because I wanted to include a comedy, romance and sport manga in each generation, so only 3 other spots were given for action manga, and sometimes there just wasn't a spot open..

 

[TyVip]

@perroloco
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~starman/ a JPN site that show all the past TOC back in 1968

What's interesting is NINKU started in 1993 Issue #26 to 1994 Issue #30, then it took a break/hiatus (I don't know the reason). On 1994 Issue #51 it shows that NINKU got published as a new series, then it ends on 1995 Issue #38
Its rankings are all over the place so I guess the author ended on his own time? So like Deathnote with 13 volumes

 

[UFOCat]

Ninku also had a sequel manga in ultra jump that lasted 12 volumes (2005-2011). I never really got into Ninku.

 

[WyldViolet]

Ninku is one of my all-time favorites.
So comfy. Perfect anime adaptation.

 

[chrisbj]

This "special announcement" better be huge since they needed a whole page to to say it's coming.....

 

[Ihore]

By the looks of it Komi Naoshi next work(might be just a One-shot) will be in Jump Giga Vol 4.
The new editor was probably preparation for this.

 

[redon]

Weekly Shonen Jump #36-37/2016 cover.

 

[vampire killer]

So One piece and Kochikame are the most important mangas right now. The rest is just there.

 

[lobito180]

@perroloco thanks for the list. You have a few series there from the 70's that I haven't hear about like Ring ni Kakero. I'm also interested on those older titles, to see what Jump was back then...

 

[Mammo]

By the looks of it Komi Naoshi next work(might be just a One-shot) will be in Jump Giga Vol 4.
The new editor was probably preparation for this.

here is the thing, I'm sure Kubo's next manga will be a success however I'm not sure Komi's next work will be a success
although Bleach popularity declined, the series managed to keep a very loyal fanbase that will keep buying volumes no matter what

this isn't the case with Nisekoi, once it was obvious the Chitoge will win, a lot of Japanese people just abandoned it & a lot of people turned on it, it have been free falling for months now
it's by far the most hated manga in Jump, go to any Japanese anime/manga site & see for yourself

just a couple of days ago when Black Clover won the worst manga for anyone award, a lot of people were pissed off, they wanted Nisekoi to win

 

[Ihore]

Komi most likely has editorial support and in the end of the day, nothing changes that Nisekoi is one of the most successful romcoms in WSJ.
(it will probably be a One-Shot Battle Shounen or Adventure)
Doubt Kubo will start a new series any time soon.
Which award are you talking about?

 

[Xzone]

It wasn't a japanese thing only and the coment are in general, japanese simply don't care about komi crap.

Komi has editorial support and nothing changes that Nisekoi is one of the most successful romcoms in WSJ.
(it will probably be a One-Shot Battle Shounen or Adventure)
Doubt Kubo will start a new series any time soon.

The problem of a Battle shonen is that he need a lot of efort to return his previous style, right now look very rom-com.Not a problem but with an one shot to near I dout he will refine his new art style.
Also think kubo will go to a Young Jump or do a Togashi, are more free jump manga(good or bad), don't think this year but the next.

 

[Mammo]

Which award are you talking about?

the comicon one

 

[101nemesis]

the comicon one

So in comic con, they had a poll for the worst manga?