Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[BluePegasus]

NLF applies and she doesn't demolish anyone who has better MP/combat feats than her...Simple as that.

Why does NLF apply for Age Seal? It doesn't affect people like Macro does. Age Seal affects time, which means it doesn't matter if she'll use it against a weak or strong opponent. As long as someone doesn't have a magic that can counter Age Seal (like Time Magic or Space Magic), Dimaria will no diff.

So @Woodenstool is right here, Dimaria should be far higher in your power ranking. Especially above the leagues of Natsu, Laxus and Jellal.

God Serena has good firepower and an advantage of diversity in his magic but none of his attacks damaged someone of significance. Featless characters who haven't even fought anyone else(GoI) and Jura(who is on Bluenote level) is not a good measuring stick..Natsu beats him in almost every category besides the fact that GS has more types of magic.

Natsu outclasses God Serena in every feat? Where did you get that statement from? The only feat in which Natsu outclasses him is durability.

Also, saying God Serena is stronger than Natsu doesn't make any sense since Historia God Serena already stomped him lol.

Anyway, I still have to comment on this though..

Laxus is on par with August/Irene based on feats.

Okay so I can mostly agree on every comment you make about Dimaria, but this is just outright nonsense. Laxus is nowhere, but literally nowhere near the level of August and Irene. I mean come on now, is Laxus able to fight on par with Acnologia like Irene did? Is Laxus more or less equal with the leagues of Zeref like August is stated to be? No, Laxus is like multiple tiers below them. You must know this yourself or you're just ignoring canon manga facts.

But yeah I already found that out since you make it sound like Gildarts > Acnologia.

 

[ArthurDayne]

Why does NLF apply for Age Seal? It doesn't affect people like Macro does. Age Seal affects time, which means it doesn't matter if she'll use it against a weak or strong opponent. As long as someone doesn't have a magic that can counter Age Seal (like Time Magic or Space Magic), Dimaria will no diff.

Every ability is subject to NLF since the basis is the same thing..The assumption of Character A uses an ability on Character B,if Character B is represented as better/stronger,then we assume he/she has a method of resisting it...he/she'll resist it in assumption unless it was shown that he/she can't. Maybe it can work on even Acno...we'll have to see.As for it affecting time,it still effects the other character so that's irrelevant..If Dimaria uses Age Seal on somebody impressive,I'll buy it but until then,at best,she can use it on similar level Sprig and even that's debatable if you ask me..

@Woodenstool is right here, Dimaria should be far higher in your power ranking. Especially above the leagues of Natsu, Laxus and Jellal.

What happened to "I believe is right" It's your opinion,my friend. NLF applies in this because it's the logical argument in which we as readers can't calculate what will happen in what scenario.If you think that Age Seal works on everyone who is not Ultear..then you are also claiming that Dimaria can just stop time and solo the entire Sprig 12+Laxus,Natsu,Jellal,Gildarts,Makarov...Which obviously won't happen. If Dimaria's ability worked on everyone regardless of power/mp then she actually could no diff August and Irene together and be the strongest character...That's absurd.So no,she is below Laxus,Natsu and Jellal who showed overall more power.

Natsu outclasses God Serena in every feat? Where did you get that statement from? The only feat in which Natsu outclasses him is durability.

He has greater AoE(see the roar against Bluenote,greater DC(see FDKM attack on the War God),he has greater durability..What area is God Serena better than Natsu? He has more types of elements,yes..but that hardly means a thing when they haven't been shown to be as powerful as Natsu's flames.

Also, saying God Serena is stronger than Natsu doesn't make any sense since Historia God Serena already stomped him lol.

He hit him like three times and didn't even do any damage..Natsu didn't even attack him...not even once.At best,he was a slight hindrance to Natsu..let alone stomp him.You're talking as if Natsu and Serena fought seriously and Natsu actually attacked him and was beaten back or something. Serena used a fire attack,Natsu tried to eat it,Serena used a water attack to make sure he couldn't and used another attack that Gildarts crashed..How is that a stomp? The alive Serena actually got damaged by Jura and Warrod in their fight,Natsu can do serious damage if he was serious. As far as feats go,Natsu>Serena but due to the trolling,Serena didn't have much screen-time. I give him the benefit of doubt and put him on the same pedestal as Gildy,DF Gajeel and Natsu..

Agree to disagree though. I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it.

 

[Char]

Okay,here's my two cents on the current power levels...

-Acnologia
------Gap----
-Zeref
------Gap-----
-August,Irene
-Larcade,Natsu(DF)
-Jellal,Laxus,Invel
-God Serena,Natsu(FDKM),DF Gajeel,Gildarts
----------Gap----
-Dimaria,Brandish,Bradman
-Ajeel,Wahl,Neinhart
-Jacob,Erza,Gray,TO Chelia
--------Gap---------
-Makarov,Mirajane,Lucy

Characters who have to show more or hyped verbally to be ranked: Other CS members,Sabertooth,Elfman,Historia Spriggan (GS,Wahl,Bradman),Mavis

Gray and Erza will most likely go higher as the arc progresses.

I partly agree, but:

Assuming there's a big gap between Zeref and August/Irene is going by hype. It makes sense because Zeref is the general, but then hype put August pretty close to Zeref. Also Zeref didn't show anything impressive against Igneel Natsu although he was not going all out. Still I refrain from putting Zeref too above August and Irene before we see what he can truly do, because right now I'm thinking his immortality is the only think that makes him be above these two.

A hypothetical Alvarez version of DF Natsu would likely be very dragonised, and if he's gonna be more powerful than Igneel Natsu, I'm going to bet he's gonna be above August, but who knows.

I'd put DF Gajeel a tier above, that is, on Jellal/Laxus level. He had the upper hand against a spriggan like Bradman who, in turn, shall be higher than you put him.

As for your ranking of Spriggan...

Leaving August, Irene and Larcade aside, you make a separation of 5 tiers. Crimson Ice, for example, will say there's only one tier. It makes sense since they were all stated to be equals. I personally would say there are 3 tiers: high, medium and low. But in the end, having Invel soooooo above than Jacob makes me think that Invel could oneshot Jacob. Is that what you're trying to imply? Because it wouldn't be like that. No spriggan is going to oneshot another spriggan (other than the three powerhouse spriggans). I'd dare say the high tier spriggans should mid diff the low tier spriggans at least.

According to you
Invel
God Serena
Dimaria,Brandish,Bradman
Ajeel,Wahl,Neinhart
Jacob

So, in your opinion, could Invel oneshot Jacob? Could God Serena low diff Ajeel?

IMO, there should be three tiers at most and the highest in the high tier could mid diff the lowest in the low tier.

In any case, Invel is too hyped up but I don't think he's necessarily more powerful than God Serena and definetely not more than Dimaria. I'd even dare say he's the ice counterpart to Ajeel, who's sand (in terms of elements) and I wouldn't rank him too higher than him...

If there was an exception to my thought of "no spriggan can null/low diff another spriggan other than August, Irene and possibly Larcade", that would be Dimaria. She's too haxy even for a not top tier spriggan.

My personal spriggan ranking would be:

Dimaria, Brandish,
God Serena, Bradman, Wahl, Invel, Ajeel
Jacob, Neinheart

As you can see I class the haxiest ones on the high tier. Dimaria and Brandish can literally instakill you. Bradman needs to be within a certain range to affect you with MBP, Invel needs to be within a certain range to freeze you, Ajeel needs to be within a certain range to dissecate you, Wahl has no apparent hax other than etherion and God Serena is the most proficient one in terms of versatility.

Then would come Jacob, whose hax is 'slow' to a degree, and Neinheart, who is just weak unless proven otherwise in future chapters.

You class BDKM Natsu high: he's got the offensive power of a Spriggan, but I don't think he can do anything about the haxiest spriggans, and I don't even think he'd defeat the non-haxiest ones like God Serena even if his feats are of higher AoE than Serena's due to the fact that 1. he was overwhelmed by Hist Serena and 2. Glidartz hyped him to be on his level or above if he was alive (and that level is superior to BDKM Natsu).

Also in this part...

-Jacob,Erza,Gray,TO Chelia
--------Gap---------
-Makarov,Mirajane,Lucy

I'd say more like

-Jacob
-Mira, Erza,Gray
--------Gap---------
-TO Chelia, Makarov
--------Gap---------
-Lucy

 

[ArthurDayne]

Assuming there's a big gap between Zeref and August/Irene is going by hype. It makes sense because Zeref is the general, but then hype put August pretty close to Zeref. Also Zeref didn't show anything impressive against Igneel Natsu although he was not going all out. Still I refrain from putting Zeref too above August and Irene before we see what he can truly do, because right now I'm thinking his immortality is the only think that makes him be above these two

I agree,it's mostly on hype but as we saw on Tenrou,the difference between a "I don't care about life" Zeref and "Kill me Natsu" Zeref is substantial.Ultear actually managed to subdue the latter while the first one-shotted Hades and killed him. Zeref was emotional and still expecting to die against Natsu so that wasn't his best. I do agree that there's a good chance Zeref might disappoint and the gap will we significantly smaller between him and August and Irene but since he doesn't have a lot of feats,I base mostly on hype.

A hypothetical Alvarez version of DF Natsu would likely be very dragonised, and if he's gonna be more powerful than Igneel Natsu, I'm going to bet he's gonna be above August, but who knows.

That I can agree to. But I put him there with the assumption that the difference between DF and Base Natsu will be similar to DF Wendy and Gajeel. If his DF is a boost like his pre-ts DF's,then yes...he'll be more powerful than almost every character,including August...maybe even Zeref.

I'd put DF Gajeel a tier above, that is, on Jellal/Laxus level. He had the upper hand against a spriggan like Bradman who, in turn, shall be higher than you put him.

It's really debatable on Gajeel,since he pretty much no-diffed Bradman but Bradman himself didn't seem that impressive to me. Tartaros Demon abilities seem a bit outdated and he used the combat ones,not the haxxed ones.. Tenchi Kaimei was good and still dangerous if it wasn't for Levy,but the rest don't hold up after the time-skip.

As for your ranking of Spriggan...

Leaving August, Irene and Larcade aside, you make a separation of 5 tiers. Crimson Ice, for example, will say there's only one tier. It makes sense since they were all stated to be equals. I personally would say there are 3 tiers: high, medium and low. But in the end, having Invel soooooo above than Jacob makes me think that Invel could oneshot Jacob. Is that what you're trying to imply? Because it wouldn't be like that. No spriggan is going to oneshot another spriggan (other than the three powerhouse spriggans). I'd dare say the high tier spriggans should mid diff the low tier spriggans at least.

The ones that don't have "----gap----" are sub-tiers,really...Invel can probably low-diff Jacob,but since Ajeel is more impressive as a combat type,it would be like mid-diff

So, in your opinion, could Invel oneshot Jacob?

Low-Diff,yes..but

Could God Serena low diff Ajeel?

Mid Diff...

In any case, Invel is too hyped up but I don't think he's necessarily more powerful than God Serena and definetely not more than Dimaria. I'd even dare say he's the ice counterpart to Ajeel, who's sand (in terms of elements) and I wouldn't rank him too higher than him...

He froze Natsu,Lucy,Juvia and what seemed like mountains without difficulty and he is ragdolling Gray. The rest is hype but he is definitely more impressive than Ajeel who isn't one-shotting Elfman and Lisanna right now

If there was an exception to my thought of "no spriggan can null/low diff another spriggan other than August, Irene and possibly Larcade", that would be Dimaria. She's too haxy even for a not top tier spriggan.

And I find Dimaria to be overrated. Her hax is pretty much game-over against people it works on..So far that's Wendy,Chelia and Kagura maybe..So I'm not that impressed.

 

[Vici]

And I find Dimaria to be overrated. Her hax is pretty much game-over against people it works on..So far that's Wendy,Chelia and Kagura maybe..So I'm not that impressed.

You missing one point Juvia/Lyon/Meldy and Gray was on the same battlefield as Wendy ( the only one that could be out of range are Jellal/Erza/Kagura if not then the time stops for all of them as well ) and yet they didn't intervene in Dimaria fight why ? you ask.. because time has stopped for them as well I'm waiting now for Dimaria fight to see how her powers will be dealt with this time

 

[ArthurDayne]

You missing one point Juvia/Lyon/Meldy and Gray was on the same battlefield as Wendy ( the only one that could be out of range are Jellal/Erza/Kagura if not then the time stops for all of them as well ) and yet they didn't intervene in Dimaria fight why ? you ask.. because time has stopped for them as well I'm waiting now for Dimaria fight to see how her powers will be dealt with this time

Could you direct me to a page that it stopped the time for anyone besides Charles,Wendy,Chelia and the fodders nearby? Jellal,Erza and Kagura are certainly out of the question for me but maybe Gray,Lyon and Juvia? Unless it's shown or implied,I don't think it counts.They didn't interfere because everyone has their own fights? And even if it worked on those three,I'm still fine with that since I have Gray lower than Dimaria on my list and like I said,I can buy the argument that Dimaria can use that ability on anyone weaker than herself and maybe on the same tier,just not anyone stronger.

 

[Char]

I agree,it's mostly on hype but as we saw on Tenrou,the difference between a "I don't care about life" Zeref and "Kill me Natsu" Zeref is substantial.Ultear actually managed to subdue the latter while the first one-shotted Hades and killed him. Zeref was emotional and still expecting to die against Natsu so that wasn't his best. I do agree that there's a good chance Zeref might disappoint and the gap will we significantly smaller between him and August and Irene but since he doesn't have a lot of feats,I base mostly on hype.

Yeah that's understandable and so do I.

That I can agree to. But I put him there with the assumption that the difference between DF and Base Natsu will be similar to DF Wendy and Gajeel. If his DF is a boost like his pre-ts DF's,then yes...he'll be more powerful than almost every character,including August...maybe even Zeref.

Yup, it's widely accepted DF is a multiplier. More specifically it's been stated to be a 3x multiplier. There's no reliable source on that, it's an assumption that just seems to fit.

It's really debatable on Gajeel,since he pretty much no-diffed Bradman but Bradman himself didn't seem that impressive to me. Tartaros Demon abilities seem a bit outdated and he used the combat ones,not the haxxed ones.. Tenchi Kaimei was good and still dangerous if it wasn't for Levy,but the rest don't hold up after the time-skip.

I can understand that he didn't seem impressive and I do understand the reasons. Anything before the timeskip seems little powerful due to power inflation. I do believe Warrod to be at least as powerful as Etherious Mard Geer and look at how he got fodderised by Serena.

So yeah, Bradman's curses weren't too impressive anymore. The thing is, he had them all, plus, he had intangibility, plus, his own curse (over skelter). NLF rules in this forum except for a few users, but logically speaking, he's got curses like Macro or Memento Mori, which are pretty haxy if you ask me.

Due to portrayal, all spriggans should have similar amounts of MP, offense, durability, etc... But that's bulls**t, we all know some are above others. In this case I don't believe Bradman's durability to be too high- but that would be because he's intangible and he doesn't have 'regular' durability. I'd still class DF Gajeel almost as high as Laxus levels since he was rather beastly, and implied to be that strong. He used to be portrayed as Natsu's equal (only slightly less powerful), and while I believe this no longer to be the case in the Alvarez arc, his DF boost should still put him that high.

The ones that don't have "----gap----" are sub-tiers,really...Invel can probably low-diff Jacob,but since Ajeel is more impressive as a combat type,it would be like mid-diff

Yeah the thing here is that I don't believe any spriggan other than the three top tiers are going to be able to do anything more than mid diff another spriggan; if any they should high or extreme diff, cause they're all around that level of power. Invel is probably gonna be able to freeze Jacob if he's within his range, but by that same token Jacob is probably gonna be capable of transporting him to his dimension, in which Invel is likely powerless, so... the faster, the better. As for Ajeel, I think he's the counterpart of Invel in the sense that one can freeze you and the other one can dissecate you.

He froze Natsu,Lucy,Juvia and what seemed like mountains without difficulty and he is ragdolling Gray. The rest is hype but he is definitely more impressive than Ajeel who isn't one-shotting Elfman and Lisanna right now

Yeah so it seems his instafreeze is yet again another kind of hax which makes Invel an hybrid haxy cqc user (like Jacob or Bradman); anyone (except for Gray) within his reach is gonna get frozen.

But seemingly, anything that touches Ajeel's sand when he activates the dehydrating technique is gonna dissecate; anything that is within the radius of transport is gonna be transported, anything which is within a certain radius (??) of age seal is gonna get timestopped, etc.

His hax is no more impressive than other Spriggan haxes.

As for Elfman and Lisanna not being straight oneshotted I'm gonna have to concede...

And I find Dimaria to be overrated. Her hax is pretty much game-over against people it works on..So far that's Wendy,Chelia and Kagura maybe..So I'm not that impressed.

The only argument that could be given for "Dimaria is overrated" would be the fact that all spriggans bar the three top tiers were stated to be equals. We know now they're clearly not; but still, there's no reason not to have Dimaria in high regard. After all, her feats are probably the best feats in the manga after Acnologia ripping part of Serena's torso off, and shrinking a country.

She's just too haxy, and that is bad writing if you ask me. It'd make WAAAY more sense for Irene to have this power and not Dimaria. Also, her durability is ridiculously high, as DF Wendy who's likely town buster+ if not more, couldn't even put a scratch on her Chronos form. As a matter of fact, she didn't make her step back not even 1 inch...

But yeah NLF pretty much proves Dimaria is gonna be ineffective against anyone more powerful than herself, until proven otherwise.

 

[Vici]

Could you direct me to a page that it stopped the time for anyone besides Charles,Wendy,Chelia and the fodders nearby? Jellal,Erza and Kagura are certainly out of the question for me but maybe Gray,Lyon and Juvia? Unless it's shown or implied,I don't think it counts.They didn't interfere because everyone has their own fights? And even if it worked on those three,I'm still fine with that since I have Gray lower than Dimaria on my list and like I said,I can buy the argument that Dimaria can use that ability on anyone weaker than herself and maybe on the same tier,just not anyone stronger.

Ultear appears clock tower in hargeon :

Spoiler

Dimaria fight with girls, Use TO and shots Charlie , Ultear explains the situation and we got shot on the tower again :

Spoiler

Time didn't pass at all in the city if it reaches the city then it also envelops area where MH and LS fight with Alvarez if it didn't affect Gray I find it impossible to think that he didn't spot that time have stopped for others so it works on Gray from logical point of view

It reaches Hargeon so it could also reach Kagura/Erza/Jellal ( this one I'm less sure ) if yes than it works on Mages of Jellal caliber because it impossible that he didn't spot that Kagura isn't moving for let's say 10 minutes or only 4 sources of magic remain active on the battlefield..

Since no one has stepped in the fight or even shown to be shocked that everyone isn't moving it's because the time has stopped for them as well .

 

[Jko]

My list of the Spriggans.

God Tier:

1. Zeref

Top Tier:

1. August/Irene

High Tier:

1. Larcade
2. DiMaria
3. Brandish
4. Invel
5. Jacob (not jobbing ofc )

Mid Tier

1. God Serena
2. Wahl
3. Bradman
4. Ajeel

Low tier:

1. Neinhart (Sleeping/Un-Awakened? )

 

[ArthurDayne]

I can understand that he didn't seem impressive and I do understand the reasons. Anything before the timeskip seems little powerful due to power inflation. I do believe Warrod to be at least as powerful as Etherious Mard Geer and look at how he got fodderised by Serena.

Warrod at Mard level? I'll have to disagree with that. Mard was a beast and the only thing that damaged him was his cryptonite and a full-powered DF Natsu Secret art.The Ishgar Gods can't compare to that,with the exception of Serena and maybe Hyberion(impressed August)..

So yeah, Bradman's curses weren't too impressive anymore. The thing is, he had them all, plus, he had intangibility, plus, his own curse (over skelter). NLF rules in this forum except for a few users, but logically speaking, he's got curses like Macro or Memento Mori, which are pretty haxy if you ask me.

I believe he said he had the 9DG power's,that shouldn't include the likes of Mard,Deliora and Jiemma. Macro,I can agree though

Due to portrayal, all spriggans should have similar amounts of MP, offense, durability, etc... But that's bulls**t, we all know some are above others. In this case I don't believe Bradman's durability to be too high- but that would be because he's intangible and he doesn't have 'regular' durability. I'd still class DF Gajeel almost as high as Laxus levels since he was rather beastly, and implied to be that strong. He used to be portrayed as Natsu's equal (only slightly less powerful), and while I believe this no longer to be the case in the Alvarez arc, his DF boost should still put him that high

.

DF Gajeel can be Laxus level but since he didn't have much screen-time in DF,it's debatable for me..

Yeah the thing here is that I don't believe any spriggan other than the three top tiers are going to be able to do anything more than mid diff another spriggan; if any they should high or extreme diff, cause they're all around that level of power. Invel is probably gonna be able to freeze Jacob if he's within his range, but by that same token Jacob is probably gonna be capable of transporting him to his dimension, in which Invel is likely powerless, so... the faster, the better. As for Ajeel, I think he's the counterpart of Invel in the sense that one can freeze you and the other one can dissecate you.

Ajeel takes too long though. Invel is pretty much instant when it comes to immobilizing.

But seemingly, anything that touches Ajeel's sand when he activates the dehydrating technique is gonna dissecate; anything that is within the radius of transport is gonna be transported, anything which is within a certain radius (??) of age seal is gonna get timestopped, etc.

Like how Lisanna saved Elfman,there should be ways out of Ajeel's sand whereas Invel is pretty instant.

But yeah NLF pretty much proves Dimaria is gonna be ineffective against anyone more powerful than herself, until proven otherwise.

My whole point summed up nicely

So you saying that Gray was not affected and didn't spot that soldiers and lower class mages stops moving ?
Ultear appears clock tower in hargeon :

Spoiler

Dimaria fight with girls, Use TO and shots Charlie , Ultear explains the situation and we got shot on the tower again :

Spoiler

Time didn't pass at all in the city if it reaches the city then it also envelops area where MH and LS fight with Alvarez if it didn't affect Gray I find it impossible to think that he didn't spot that time have stopped for others so it works on Gray from logical point of view

It reaches Hargeon so it could also reach Kagura/Erza/Jellal ( this one I'm less sure ) before if yes than it works on Mages of Jellal caliber because it impossible that he didn't spot that Kagura isn't moving for let's say 10 minutes or only 4 sources of magic remain active on the battlefield..

Since no one has stepped in the fight or even shown to be shocked that everyone isn't moving it's because the time has stopped for them as well .

Well,the clock is an inanimate object.And time doesn't move in one place and stop in another in real world physics so that's up for debate. I can also make the argument that the AoE of Age Seal included some fodders,Chelia Wendy and the clock tower..I do think that Gray would be affected by Age Sea if he was in the AoE though since he should be considerably weaker than Dimaria..So either he was out of AoE or he was time-stopped. Jellal and the others though,they were far away.
Gray,Juvia and Lyon is up for debate since we haven't actually seen them but Jellal,Erza and Kagura is pure speculation. They were on the move before the fight started and they arrived as the fight ended.

It's subjective though..If Dimaria can effect everyone's time,then she is basically omnipotent and that's ridiculous since according to Brandish,August and Eileen would babyshake her. I do respect your opinion though,just don't buy it unless proven otherwise.

 

[Vici]

It's subjective though..If Dimaria can effect everyone's time,then she is basically omnipotent and that's ridiculous since according to Brandish,August and Eileen would babyshake her. I do respect your opinion though,just don't buy it unless proven otherwise.

I understands you and that's why i also now wait
That's why the power and how it works is ridiculous and should be explained much clearer...
Hope when the second time it will be used we will get a shot of other characters as well who was affected and who is not by it (it would clear so much )

 

[Char]

Warrod at Mard level? I'll have to disagree with that. Mard was a beast and the only thing that damaged him was his cryptonite and a full-powered DF Natsu Secret art.The Ishgar Gods can't compare to that,with the exception of Serena and maybe Hyberion(impressed August)..

You're gonna have to remember that Tartaros happened shortly after GMG, that is to say, shortly after the GoI had received unprecedented hype. The way they were described, they were in all likelihood individually superior to any member of Tartaros.

If you look at how easily Laxus beat Tempesta, you'll notice he could actually defeat Mard Geer as well. I mean, Mard Geer is probably 3x Tempesta, but still Tempesta wasn't a threat for Laxus at all other than the MBP; as a matter of fact, Laxus oneshot (or low diffed, don't remember).

If we operate under the assumption Laxus would high/extreme diff Mard Geer, and we assume Oba said the truth and the GoI are indeed way more powerful than Jura, then Warrod would be above Laxus and Jura, and then he'd be capable of defeating Mard Geer.

If you're still reluctant to believing so, then let it be Hyberion and not Jura.

If you ask me, Jura could extreme diff MG, Laxus could extreme-high diff him, and Warrod should high diff him.

I think DF Natsu was around as strong as Jura by then and DF Natsu managed to hurt Mard Geer. The thing is, his DF ran out, so we cannot know for a fact if he could've been able to beat MG without Gray's help; I think it could've gone either way.

I believe he said he had the 9DG power's,that shouldn't include the likes of Mard,Deliora and Jiemma. Macro,I can agree though

I thought Mard counted as a member of the 9DF. After all Bradman did use thorn curse (which is Mard's). .

DF Gajeel can be Laxus level but since he didn't have much screen-time in DF,it's debatable for me..

Yeah let's hope for a little more screentime next time.

Ajeel takes too long though. Invel is pretty much instant when it comes to immobilizing.

I believe you're right, but Ajeel would've killed some relevant characters if it hadn't taken that long so it may be just an excuse such as MBP killing fodders and then not doing anything to Levy, you know what I mean? Ajeel may well be capable of instantly dissecating anyone other than relevant characters...

Also Invel is pretty much instant, but within a certain radius; similar to Jacob.

Like how Lisanna saved Elfman,there should be ways out of Ajeel's sand whereas Invel is pretty instant.

I guess you're right although a flying entity was necessary in this case. I mean, Lisanna was probably "a counter" in the sense that he was using a ground spell at that moment and she happened to be flying.

Still, the fact they aren't dead yet is pure PiS.

My whole point summed up nicely

Yup but by that same token, you're gonna have to concede with those who think that NLF may not apply in this case. After all, we don't have prove it's not gonna work on characters as strong as or stronger than herself, or if it's gonna be appliable but with some limitations, etc.

@Vici made a nice point in her post.

If age seal has an unlimited radius, which is "sound" to think since this is time what she's stopping, and time doesn't have physical barriers; then it's likely anyone in Hargeon was affected by it. If Kagura was affected by it but Jellal wasn't because he's on her same level, then Jellal would've noticed the world had literally stopped, so we can only assume one of either two things:
1. It has a limited range (age seal is not time stop per se, it's another thing, it stops time within a radius, not time as a universal dimension <- makes sense, there's no universe tier character in this manga and there'll likely never be one)
2. It affects everyone

 

[Summer]

Dimaria magic is much more like likely to be pause magic lol . To stop time within a radius wouldnt make sense logically since it would affect the earth and human would likely be thrown away at such a high speed .

Its more like she can pause the entire universe based on logical thinking . Time stop would work as well... it's almost the same things.

 

[Vici]

If Kagura was affected by it but Jellal wasn't because he's on her same level, then Jellal would've noticed the world had literally stopped, so we can only assume one of either two things:

It's a little but Jellal could use that opportunity ( if Age Seal didn't work on him ) to feel up both Kagura and Erza...
That would make sense now

 

[ArthurDayne]

You're gonna have to remember that Tartaros happened shortly after GMG, that is to say, shortly after the GoI had received unprecedented hype. The way they were described, they were in all likelihood individually superior to any member of Tartaros.

Mard>>>Any 9DG member though..Even according to the official stats.But that was default hype by unreliable characters..If Natsu says Gray is strong,he is reliable..but it was Oba Babasama that hyped the GoI..Maybe she heard rumors...maybe she saw the real thing.we don't know.

If you look at how easily Laxus beat Tempesta, you'll notice he could actually defeat Mard Geer as well. I mean, Mard Geer is probably 3x Tempesta, but still Tempesta wasn't a threat for Laxus at all other than the MBP; as a matter of fact, Laxus oneshot (or low diffed, don't remember).

Yes,but Tempesta wasn't defeated per say,he actually realized he was fucked if he kept fighting and committed suicide..Laxus could give a Mid-High diff to Mard,but he probably wouldn't win. Jura was as impressive as Warrod was against Serena,so I don't consider that to make a difference.

If we operate under the assumption Laxus would high/extreme diff Mard Geer, and we assume Oba said the truth and the GoI are indeed way more powerful than Jura, then Warrod would be above Laxus and Jura, and then he'd be capable of defeating Mard Geer.

Mard>Laxus though...even though Laxus could give him a decent match. I don't think lLaxus could handle Natsu+Twin Dragons the same way Base Mard did and Etherious Mard(who is stronger) had Gray as an opponent as well so he couldn't show a lot compared to his base self. On a good day,Laxus could push him to High Diff...but even that's pushing it. Tartaros Laxus can beat Warrod if you ask me...the dude was disappointing and the only thing that hyped him was a title given by the council and Oba...unreliable hype,as Serena proved.

If you ask me, Jura could extreme diff MG, Laxus could extreme-high diff him, and Warrod should high diff him.

That I disagree with. MG>Laxus>Jura/Warrod

I think DF Natsu was around as strong as Jura by then and DF Natsu managed to hurt Mard Geer. The thing is, his DF ran out, so we cannot know for a fact if he could've been able to beat MG without Gray's help; I think it could've gone either way.

He couldn't beat him though...He used all MP in a single shot and Mard kept on fighting..he grabbed Natsu's head and was gonna kill him before Gray intervened..If Jura used all of his MP in one-shot,then yeah..then he could do some damage as well..I do think Tartaros DF Natsu was stronger than Jura though.

I thought Mard counted as a member of the 9DF. After all Bradman did use thorn curse (which is Mard's). .

He did? Well,then I'll have to concede. Although he really should've used better curses against Gajeel then

I believe you're right, but Ajeel would've killed some relevant characters if it hadn't taken that long so it may be just an excuse such as MBP killing fodders and then not doing anything to Levy, you know what I mean? Ajeel may well be capable of instantly dissecating anyone other than relevant characters...

We'll have to see..

Also Invel is pretty much instant, but within a certain radius; similar to Jacob.

Yeah,that's true..But Happy couldn't interrupt Invel though

I guess you're right although a flying entity was necessary in this case. I mean, Lisanna was probably "a counter" in the sense that he was using a ground spell at that moment and she happened to be flying.

Well...Jellal could fly with Meteor,Laxus has Lightning Body,Gildarts can Crash it,Juvia can turn to water,Gray can probably freeze it with Ice Make:Silver..the list goes on.

Still, the fact they aren't dead yet is pure PiS.

Actually,I would say that Gray not using Ice Make:Silver against Ajeel's last attack before Laxus is CiS

If age seal has an unlimited radius, which is "sound" to think since this is time what she's stopping, and time doesn't have physical barriers; then it's likely anyone in Hargeon was affected by it. If Kagura was affected by it but Jellal wasn't because he's on her same level, then Jellal would've noticed the world had literally stopped, so we can only assume one of either two things:
1. It has a limited range (age seal is not time stop per se, it's another thing, it stops time within a radius, not time as a universal dimension <- makes sense, there's no universe tier character in this manga and there'll likely never be one)
2. It affects everyone

I'm going with No.1 since No.2 makes Dimaria omnipotent..She could solo anyone who isn't Zeref/Acno/Ultear if that were true and that doesn't seem to be what Hiro is conveying with Sprig 12 power levels...

 

[Demon Hunter]

Tartaros arc happened shortly after GMG. I don't think Natsu and the others improved much... if at all. Jura was still far ahead of Natsu. I mean, we are talking about a guy who gave Laxus extreme diff fight and Laxus >>>>>>>>>>>> GMG/Tartaros Natsu with low - mid diff.

as for MG, he is a tank. he manhandled Sting, Rogue and Natsu with ease in his base form. heck, he was even going toe to toe with CSK although he was mostly dodging him. I would probably say that MG wins against Laxus with high diff unless he pulls of Fairy Law. one of the reasons why Laxus was removed during the war against Tartaros was because he would low - mid diff any Tartaros demon bar Mard Geer, Kyoka(senses) and Sayla(Macro).

also, Laxus vs Tempesta Round 2 may not be in the manga but I heard from many people that it should have been in the manga. it may not be canon to the manga but it is Hiro's vision if he had time to do it so we can considered it to be true.

 

[Woodenstool]

Why does NLF apply for Age Seal? It doesn't affect people like Macro does. Age Seal affects time, which means it doesn't matter if she'll use it against a weak or strong opponent. As long as someone doesn't have a magic that can counter Age Seal (like Time Magic or Space Magic), Dimaria will no diff.

So @Woodenstool is right here, Dimaria should be far higher in your power ranking. Especially above the leagues of Natsu, Laxus and Jellal.



Natsu outclasses God Serena in every feat? Where did you get that statement from? The only feat in which Natsu outclasses him is durability.

Also, saying God Serena is stronger than Natsu doesn't make any sense since Historia God Serena already stomped him lol.

Anyway, I still have to comment on this though..



Okay so I can mostly agree on every comment you make about Dimaria, but this is just outright nonsense. Laxus is nowhere, but literally nowhere near the level of August and Irene. I mean come on now, is Laxus able to fight on par with Acnologia like Irene did? Is Laxus more or less equal with the leagues of Zeref like August is stated to be? No, Laxus is like multiple tiers below them. You must know this yourself or you're just ignoring canon manga facts.

But yeah I already found that out since you make it sound like Gildarts > Acnologia.

August was stated to possibly know more magics than Zeref, but that doesn't mean hes stronger. Laxus casual nuke was on bigger than August's spell and even went above the clouds.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/447/15
If Laxus did that on Walh, he would take everyone in that Port. But of course Walh cause hes immune to that. I'm not ignoring facts, clearly you are lol!.

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Why does NLF apply for Age Seal? It doesn't affect people like Macro does. Age Seal affects time, which means it doesn't matter if she'll use it against a weak or strong opponent. As long as someone doesn't have a magic that can counter Age Seal (like Time Magic or Space Magic), Dimaria will no diff.

So @Woodenstool is right here, Dimaria should be far higher in your power ranking. Especially above the leagues of Natsu, Laxus and Jellal.



Natsu outclasses God Serena in every feat? Where did you get that statement from? The only feat in which Natsu outclasses him is durability.

Also, saying God Serena is stronger than Natsu doesn't make any sense since Historia God Serena already stomped him lol.

Anyway, I still have to comment on this though..



Okay so I can mostly agree on every comment you make about Dimaria, but this is just outright nonsense. Laxus is nowhere, but literally nowhere near the level of August and Irene. I mean come on now, is Laxus able to fight on par with Acnologia like Irene did? Is Laxus more or less equal with the leagues of Zeref like August is stated to be? No, Laxus is like multiple tiers below them. You must know this yourself or you're just ignoring canon manga facts.

But yeah I already found that out since you make it sound like Gildarts > Acnologia.

God Serena eats his flames, all Natsu has to beat him is brute strength but since Serena has the 7 lacrimas, Natsu is getting stomped.

 

[LaxusLightning]

Mard>>>Any 9DG member though..Even according to the official stats.But that was default hype by unreliable characters..If Natsu says Gray is strong,he is reliable..but it was Oba Babasama that hyped the GoI..Maybe she heard rumors...maybe she saw the real thing.we don't know.


Yes,but Tempesta wasn't defeated per say,he actually realized he was fucked if he kept fighting and committed suicide..Laxus could give a Mid-High diff to Mard,but he probably wouldn't win. Jura was as impressive as Warrod was against Serena,so I don't consider that to make a difference.


Mard>Laxus though...even though Laxus could give him a decent match. I don't think lLaxus could handle Natsu+Twin Dragons the same way Base Mard did and Etherious Mard(who is stronger) had Gray as an opponent as well so he couldn't show a lot compared to his base self. On a good day,Laxus could push him to High Diff...but even that's pushing it. Tartaros Laxus can beat Warrod if you ask me...the dude was disappointing and the only thing that hyped him was a title given by the council and Oba...unreliable hype,as Serena proved.


That I disagree with. MG>Laxus>Jura/Warrod


He couldn't beat him though...He used all MP in a single shot and Mard kept on fighting..he grabbed Natsu's head and was gonna kill him before Gray intervened..If Jura used all of his MP in one-shot,then yeah..then he could do some damage as well..I do think Tartaros DF Natsu was stronger than Jura though.




He did? Well,then I'll have to concede. Although he really should've used better curses against Gajeel then


We'll have to see..


Yeah,that's true..But Happy couldn't interrupt Invel though


Well...Jellal could fly with Meteor,Laxus has Lightning Body,Gildarts can Crash it,Juvia can turn to water,Gray can probably freeze it with Ice Make:Silver..the list goes on.


Actually,I would say that Gray not using Ice Make:Silver against Ajeel's last attack before Laxus is CiS



I'm going with No.1 since No.2 makes Dimaria omnipotent..She could solo anyone who isn't Zeref/Acno/Ultear if that were true and that doesn't seem to be what Hiro is conveying with Sprig 12 power levels...

Laxus beat tempest my friend. He was knocked out for atleast a minute then he could bearly move his fingers, that's called beating your opponent. Rewatch fairy tail episode 235 season 2 episode 60 dubbed after laxus BEATS tempest when tempest talks to kyoka he asks if anyoneelse has been beaten, The people who made the dub are in direct contact with the animators and hiro mashima are you saying you are more qualified then the writer hiro mashima, by saying he is wrong and laxus did not defeat tempest. Blowing himself up was not for fun, framalt scolded him and he said he had to because of fairy tail, by using that he died, and if hells core never exist he would never have returned, so LAXUS DID BEAT HIM. It was a clean win, I can also debate the other wins, saying wendy won because or Carla, and gajeel won because of levy, but they won so whats the problem? Laxus won because his opponent was KO'd after their fight and in the anime which was hiros decision laxus has a rematch with tempest and wins again, and during that match tempest says he won't lose to the same opponent twice. Should I discount grays win because zeref got the kill that makes no sense my friend. The wiki says laxus beat tempest, the character tempest says laxus beat tempest, the creator ade the round 2 in the anime and laxus beat tempest again what more do you want, me to go on heros twitter and ask him to post you a personal message that laxus beat tempest?

 

[BluePegasus]

Every ability is subject to NLF since the basis is the same thing..The assumption of Character A uses an ability on Character B,if Character B is represented as better/stronger,then we assume he/she has a method of resisting it...he/she'll resist it in assumption unless it was shown that he/she can't. Maybe it can work on even Acno...we'll have to see.As for it affecting time,it still effects the other character so that's irrelevant..If Dimaria uses Age Seal on somebody impressive,I'll buy it but until then,at best,she can use it on similar level Sprig and even that's debatable if you ask me..

That's just a weak pretext to deny the capabilities of Age Seal. Age Seal stopped time itself which means no one was able to move, including whoever is more powerful than Dimaria. Her magic affects time, not people. Unless you can show me someone who is stronger than Dimaria did move when she casted Age Seal, I'll believe you. Shamefully enough, you can't.

What happened to "I believe is right" It's your opinion,my friend. NLF applies in this because it's the logical argument in which we as readers can't calculate what will happen in what scenario.If you think that Age Seal works on everyone who is not Ultear..then you are also claiming that Dimaria can just stop time and solo the entire Sprig 12+Laxus,Natsu,Jellal,Gildarts,Makarov...Which obviously won't happen. If Dimaria's ability worked on everyone regardless of power/mp then she actually could no diff August and Irene together and be the strongest character...That's absurd.So no,she is below Laxus,Natsu and Jellal who showed overall more power.

Again, saying that Age Seal is a NLF is just a weak pretext.

I don't think Dimaria could kill the entire Spriggan Twelve and Fairy Tail before she runs out of MP. But featwise yeah, she should be able to kill most of them who don't got a way to counter her magic. That's just the logic Mashima has created.

So by your logic Natsu can counter Age Seal because he can? Hmm.

He has greater AoE(see the roar against Bluenote,greater DC(see FDKM attack on the War God),he has greater durability..What area is God Serena better than Natsu? He has more types of elements,yes..but that hardly means a thing when they haven't been shown to be as powerful as Natsu's flames.

God Serena will easily show better AoE and DC once he combines all of his spells.

Not to forget, God Serena can just eat Natsu's flames due to his Dragon Slayer advantage. So no, there is no way Natsu > God Serena.

He hit him like three times and didn't even do any damage..Natsu didn't even attack him...not even once.At best,he was a slight hindrance to Natsu..let alone stomp him.You're talking as if Natsu and Serena fought seriously and Natsu actually attacked him and was beaten back or something. Serena used a fire attack,Natsu tried to eat it,Serena used a water attack to make sure he couldn't and used another attack that Gildarts crashed..How is that a stomp? The alive Serena actually got damaged by Jura and Warrod in their fight,Natsu can do serious damage if he was serious. As far as feats go,Natsu>Serena but due to the trolling,Serena didn't have much screen-time. I give him the benefit of doubt and put him on the same pedestal as Gildy,DF Gajeel and Natsu..

Agree to disagree though. I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it.

Natsu couldn't attack him because God Serena's spell made him unable to do so. You can't deny that Historia God Serena overpowered Natsu out there. Without Gildarts appearance, God Serena's Storm Dragon spell would've end him.

Natsu was stomped because Natsu wouldn't been able to do a thing against God Serena if Gildarts didn't come in. He was rather useless. So unless you think Natsu can eat water, it's a fact that God Serena > Historia God Serena > Natsu.

August was stated to possibly know more magics than Zeref, but that doesn't mean hes stronger. Laxus casual nuke was on bigger than August's spell and even went above the clouds.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/447/15
If Laxus did that on Walh, he would take everyone in that Port. But of course Walh cause hes immune to that. I'm not ignoring facts, clearly you are lol!.

So you're basically saying August is weaker than Laxus because he showed one spell that "wasn't as big as Laxus his nuke" according to you? Maybe you should wait until he actually gets a fight before you can judge ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Woodenstool]

So you're basically saying August is weaker than Laxus because he showed one spell that "wasn't as big as Laxus his nuke" according to you? Maybe you should wait until he actually gets a fight before you can judge ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/QUOTE]
Was that a counter argument or...