LoL Igneel Magic power is completely different level Igneel was able to tear of Acnologia fucking arm..... and Neinhart was one-shotted by Natsu?? so how Neinhart the fodder is able to summon Igneel??
Gray losing to God Serena with High Difficulty is a lot more acceptable if you ask me. But Gray losing to 3 Historias is completely mind blowing. God Serena himself can beat 3 Historias...Lmfao
The gray wank is real,no hate
Gray gets stomped by just God serena high diff
God serena is still strong even if hes a historia and he can still use all 8 lacrima and gray has no elemental advantange this time which is the only reason he beat invel
My opinion tho
In theory, numbers would only be a problem if Gray's magic only allows him to focus on one target. But his AoE is higher than most characters. Not to mention he has freezing capabilities, so I disagree with your reasoning greatly. Gray doesn't need to one-shot them to win here (although he probably can). As long as he can take them out in a few hits, he'll still win.
Yes, Neinhart has to keep exerting MP to keep his Historias. This is confirmed by the fact that his creations disappear when he "dies". It makes sense. When his MP reaches 0, he can no longer supply them with energy, so they disappear.@Atomicus I think this might the first time I've ever disagreed with you about anything ever
The problem with the argument that the Historias combined can't have more MP than Neinhart is that we're not exactly sure how Neinhart's MP is spent when he creates his Historias. If he had to keep exerting MP to keep his Historia up then I might agree. But if he only needs to spend MP on the initial creation of the Historia then as long as he regains his magic power inbetween each creation, only each individual Historia wouldn't be able to have more MP than Neinhart himself.
Anyways, even assuming this argument was accurate, Neinhart may have low stats but his MP should be right up there with the other Spriggans. Gray may be able to low-diff Neinhart himself but if his MP is distributed between three much more offensive Historias Gray's gonna have a much harder time. I'm not sure who exactly would win but it would definitely be at least high-diff either way.
Now this I agree. I don't know why, but all of a sudden, people are treating all the Historia Spriggans like they are some top-tier character (collectively)... I'm glad you, @Atomicus, and @**Salty** sees it though...
Lol
Im pretty sure he used his own ice magic against him then started pounding him or was i just dreaming? Lol
Really? Gonna check later
The life of the Historias may be linked to Neinhart's own condition but that doesn't necessarily mean that he needs to keep exerting MP to power them. It's like saying Zeref needs to exert MP to keep all his demons from dying.
Invel was shocked because he thought Gray had died, there's no evidence at all that it was Gray's MP that shocked him.
Who's to say that the Historias couldn't kill Rogue or Minerva? Most of the fight was off-paneled and when the fight was over they looked pretty damn beat up. For all we know Rogue and Minerva were getting their asses kicked and they were only saved by Natsu defeating Neinhart. Sure we don't know exactly how strong the Historias are but considering Historia Serena's performance against Team Natsu I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Isnt Bradman immune to ice though? Probably cancels out any Slayer advantage.
Slayers have resistance. I'm not sure how it works with slayer magic though. The way Gray makes weapons, and Bloodman being weaker (due to being a Historia), Gray should drop him quickly imo.
They're different. The magic Zeref uses is called Living Magic. Neinhart uses what is called Historia of the Dead. Besides, Zeref never implied that his creations wear him out. That means they are not connected in MP. Rather, the magic he uses connects their life force. Neinhart, on the other hand, admits that the Historias cost quite a bit of energy. Plus, it was never stated that the Historias are connected to his own life force so we can't assume that.
I already argued on this topic with another user so all I will say here is that I beg to differ. In my opinion, Invel sweating is a sign that he is feeling an enormous amount of power. Not to mention, you don't sweat when you're shocked. Your eyes go big and that's it.Hiro Mashima including the panel of Gray right after we see Invel sweat only reinforces this idea (the way I see it).
Okay, maybe couldn't isn't the right word. But the fact is that they didn't. And this is all we have to base our claims off of. If Historia Wahl + Historia Bloodman can defeat Rogue + Minerva, they should have already done so. But the fight lasted quite a long time and neither side was backing down. In addition, we see Rogue and Minverva fighting off their attacks so I don't see how we can assume that they would lose.
Even though I said Gray takes this with Low Difficulty (I still stand by that), I have to admit that this is one of the more reasonable posts here. I'm glad to see that there was absolutely no bias in your post.
I'd definitely rely on Gray's durability over Rogue or Minerva's, I just don't think base Gray is much higher (it's similar to Lyon's given the Ur fight). When he demonises though, Gray enters a much higher durability class. Similar to someone like Gildarts imo (above or below, but not much different).
Bloodman was able to transform. Idk why Wall didn't, though maybe he didn't have the MP to do so... so it's probably better than I don't assume. If that's the case, I'd probably lean to mid diff.
I usually don't read the Crunchyroll translations, so this is the first time I've seen this. I'll concede this point then.They're different. The magic Zeref uses is called Living Magic. Neinhart uses what is called Historia of the Dead. Besides, Zeref never implied that his creations wear him out. That means they are not connected in MP. Rather, the magic he uses connects their life force. Neinhart, on the other hand, admits that the Historias cost quite a bit of energy. Plus, it was never stated that the Historias are connected to his own life force so we can't assume that.
The Crunchyroll Translation (via @SirSamuel016) explicitly states this:
The keyword here is "maintaining". Had he said "conjuring", you would have a point. But I don't see how anyone can argue against this. It's clear as day to me.
END negated Age Seal BECAUSE of his power, those two reasons you suggested are pretty much synonymous. As for Brandish, they literally said that her magic power was what was scaring them. In Invel's case it's nothing but speculation.I already argued on this topic with another user so all I will say here is that I beg to differ. In my opinion, Invel sweating is a sign that he is feeling an enormous amount of power. Not to mention, you don't sweat when you're shocked. Your eyes go big and that's it.Hiro Mashima including the panel of Gray right after we see Invel sweat only reinforces this idea (the way I see it).
It's no different from Dimaria sweating at the sight of Natsu. You think she was just shocked by E.N.D being able to negate her Age Seal? Or by his power? Same with Natsu and Gray when they first met Brandish... They were sweating because of her power and not because she just randomly appeared.
A long fight doesn't mean that the two combatants are equal. Laxus was a fair bit above Natsu and Gajeel back in FF but their fight still lasted quite a while.
Gildarts oneshotted him with his strongest move, similar to how Natsu oneshotted Jacob with his. And I sincerely doubt you'd put Natsu as far above Jacob as you put Gildarts over Historia Serena.
It kind of is. Igneel was on Acnologia's level when he was alive. Even after his death, he left enough power for Natsu to kill Zeref.
